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Celestial Master deification of incarnated Lao Tzu and the Great Yin

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On ‎07‎.‎08‎.‎2017 at 1:41 AM, qicat said:

Please do not "play" with JAJ ( lineage) teachings without qualified teacher.

I think it is safer for you to think it is a "New Age BS" vs figuring out "omg, this is real".

Books are written very well and are very detailed.

 

Pls stop pumping air to a superstitious bubble. Once you start getting experience too you see they are just things what you haven't noticed and got by concentrating on other things.

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I wonder how you speak with normal people? they will do what i do, attack you to make you sober.

you feeling being dismissive and need to compensate it with making things look bigger than they are?

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and maybe its again me talking about myself what i need...Well good for me then, so easy discoverings.

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3 hours ago, allinone said:

 

and maybe its again me talking about myself what i need...Well good for me then, so easy discoverings.

 hm... you are learning so fast... I am impressed...

 

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once you start getting experience too you see they are just things what you haven't noticed and got by concentrating on other things.

 

yes, I agree with you. However, for an average "plugged in" human, the experiences usually result in a psychosis. Thus, I find it helpful to read books written by people who "have been there done that". I read a lot of books and my qigong/energy/yoga collection library is rather extensive. JAJ was brought up for whatever reason. I am going to a conference at the end of the month, where I am looking forward to hear Livia Kohn speaking. If JAJ is making you have such reaction, you are the one who should sit with it. If you have adverse reaction to Livia, you should sit with it as well. As those people most likely not even know you exist...

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I wonder how you speak with normal people? they will do what i do, attack you to make you sober.

you feeling being dismissive and need to compensate it with making things look bigger than they are?

 

 

1. Define "Normal". I am water. I adapt. But I admit, talking with "normal" people about weather and small talk is not my first choice of entertainment. However, as a properly trained member of this society I am skilled at that as well. What small talk BS would you like to chat about? Traffic in Silicon Valley? Taxes? Trump? Republicans? Weather in Beijing?

 

2. "they will do what i do, attack you to make you sober." Funny you said that. "They" are not attacking me. What is "attacking" me is their thought forms and perceptions of their own limitations. What is attacking me is their fear to go and look "what's out there". I've been warned about that ( part of the job description I guess). Thus, I exist as internet cat on this forum which allows me to "express my opinions". Now, if you are arguing with an internet cat... One more thing for you to ponder about... 

 

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24 minutes ago, qicat said:

hm... you are learning so fast... I am impressed...

 

Yes,

if i see a helpless person, its a sign i am doing something wrong, so i better walk home quick and start contemplate.

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3 minutes ago, allinone said:

 

Yes,

if i see a helpless person, its a sign i am doing something wrong, so i better walk home quick and start contemplate.

 

started new topic on your subject. As it is hijacking this one... Look forward to discussion. 

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6 hours ago, allinone said:

 

Yes,

if i see a helpless person, its a sign i am doing something wrong, so i better walk home quick and start contemplate.

That's a perspective.  I don't recommend it though.

 

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allinone said:

if i see a helpless person, its a sign i am doing something wrong, so i better walk home quick and start contemplate.

56 minutes ago, Marblehead said:

That's a perspective.  I don't recommend it though.

 

I'll tell you one thing, you wouldn't be able to walk two blocks in downtown Chicago with that strategy..  but if you can take the helpless, the poor, the rich, the young the old, the happy, the anxious.. see them all; the whole of human drama is there.  A mirror of ourselves and our minds.  

 

Instead of just contemplating, you can dive in, be among them.. life. 

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Celestial Masters was also known as the Five Pecks Rice school - as ever student donated rice as payment which was then redistributed to the starving masses.

 

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Chen Shou tells us of the yearly tithe of five pecks of rice, the establishment of libationers who function as local officials, and the charity houses ...

 

India similarly practices socialistic food distribution through the temples and ashrams, just as Western Christianity has food shelves and one meal lunch centers.

 

I frequented these one meal centers which cater to people just getting out of jail or practicing recidivism or who are homeless - and I also donated food to these one meal centers.

 

But charity is not the same as justice. The problem in the West is that we consider money to be wealth.

 

For example when Western colonialization happened in the New World - in Central America and Latin America - the problem for the Western elite was that the indigenous people had no need for Western money since the indigenous people lived off the land.

 

So the Westerners kicked the indigenous people off the land - not because they wanted to use the land productively but rather the Westerners wanted to use the indigenous people for slave labor!

 

So then in Latin America there became huge tracts of land that sat idle, unproductively, just so the Westerners forced the indigenous people to be dependent on needing money from slave wages or just slavery conditions.

 

And so in the U.S. some 80 million bison were killed off because that was the easiest way to ensure that the indigenous people would then be forced into slave conditions, dependent on Western money to get food, etc.

 

And so then the real Taoist training for alchemy is to go back to a Hunter diet where the male learns to fast and use celibacy to increase the energy - and this is then called going without grains.

 

The U.s. has the worst distribution of wealth of any industrialized nation - because high tech automation is the number 1 cause of job loss.

 

And so we have fewer farmers than before and the farms are much less based on self-reliant diverse crops - like having a few cows, a few pigs, chickens and then growing crops along with it.

 

Instead you get factory farms with just huge turbines and no cows, no pigs, no chickens - and so the farms are completely oil-based and the farmers have no idea where their crop ends up and what it is used for.

 

And then a huge amount of food is wasted in the  WEst as the food distribution is based solely on profit.

 

So I spent 10 years eating out of dumpsters in the Twin Cities because otherwise a lot of energy calories went to waste.

 

A lot of the food is still in the packages and even still warm from being on display in the store for convenience eating.

 

And so I did that to make a statement against energy waste in the U.S. and now Second Harvest collects a lot of wasted food.

 

For example I worked in a produce warehouse in Madison WI and my coworker told me how the owner had been busted for smuggling cocaine up for the mafia in the bananas.

 

But when I left the job after the summer I sent him a letter about all the produce he throws out - I said he would get good P.R. and a tax credit if he just donated that extra food to 2nd Harvest and so that is what he did.

 

And so when I worked at an organic produce job in a Chinese warehouse - then I also had 2nd harvest pick up pallets of bananas - when the Ecuadorians asked me for help to get rid of the produce.

 

And so - the problem is that the CEO of 2nd Harvest then gets paid some $500,000 a year - and this is too much for an organization that is supposed to be feeding starving people in the U.S.

 

There should be an increase in the minimum wage and then re-instate Eisenhower's policy of a Maximum wage with a 90% marginal tax rate on the rich.

 

It is the middle class that creates jobs as they spend the most for necessities and this is why food stamps actually pump a lot of money back into the local economy - versus tax breaks for the rich, a failed trickle down fascist policy that the elites love.

 

So this was an issue between Buddhists and Taoists - who were dependent on Imperialism of China for donations or whether they could just grow their own food.

 

Hermits will grow potatoes, soybeans, etc. as monks for their own food supply.

 

You see this in the Old Skool kung fu movies - like the Monkey Kungfu - they go to train in the countryside and then grow potatoes for food.

 

But potatoes originate from Bolivia in the Andes!

 

And there are hundreds of varieties of potatoes but because Ireland relied on only one variety then their crop failed causing famine and yet they still exported food to England as part of the Western imperialist "free trade" regime.

 

So I lived in a cooperative house in Madison WI as part of a 10 house collective and so we invested money in Organic Valley which then grew to be the largest organic family farm cooperative in the midWest - and so these farms rely more on sustainable restoration farming.

 

Chicago is starting to have more "green roofs" and so can also grow more food locally.

 

 

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Jun 11, 2015 - Already a leading city in the green roofs movement, Chicago is now using ... role in the next environmental push — using roofs to grow food.

 

 

So we see increasingly in the U.S. - like in the Twin cities - the extra unharvested fruit is then "gleaned" and donated to food shelves - and then fruit trees are being planted on public land in the cities so there is more fruit for free eating. Food is a human right, just as health care.

 

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Thanks Void. I am in a Master Gardeners Program and what you say about food stuff is 100% true. Even those people who are trained and would love to have farms are restricted by the current social set up. No access to land and ( in CA) huge battles for water rights... They told me not to do it but I still want to manifest cute little farm for my retirement somewhere around Monterey/Santa Cruz....

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29 minutes ago, qicat said:

Thanks Void. I am in a Master Gardeners Program and what you say about food stuff is 100% true. Even those people who are trained and would love to have farms are restricted by the current social set up. No access to land and ( in CA) huge battles for water rights... They told me not to do it but I still want to manifest cute little farm for my retirement somewhere around Monterey/Santa Cruz....

Move out of the People's Republic of California and you'll find things change.  When I get a chance, maybe I'll take some pictures of gardens I see in my "neighborhood" (if I remember...)

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On 05/08/2017 at 6:23 AM, Mudfoot said:

 

I have some interpretations of daoist material based on my practice. But my practice is of buddhist origining, so I would not call it either "truth" or the real explanation. It is only what I can understand today, more than I could grasp a year ago, who knows what I will grasp next year? 

 

I think this is a very important point.

Focusing on buddhist vs daoist vs... is not the way to go. They're all part of the same source (?).

 

Have you read the work of French author René Guénon? I haven't read it, yet...

He proposed that there's only 1 Tradition, that later developed into different shapes in function of culture and religion.

Now, who knows when/where/by whom/how did the Original Tradition originate?

 

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On 05/08/2017 at 5:56 AM, voidisyinyang said:

Actually the "miracle" is holographic biophotons as spirit learning!

 

So for example there are spiritual masters who can communicate with animals - via holographic spirit language!!

 

This, of course, is difficult for Western scientists to even consider - especially since quantum biology was considered "woo-woo" just ten years ago! Only in 2011 did SciAm do a cover story on quantum biology. Biophoton research is still considered not worth discussing by most biologists. haha.

 

Exactly because it is holographic spirit communication!

 

This is fascinating.

 

Fascinating indeed.

 

Can you please elaborate regarding the spiritual masters who can communicate with animals?

 

The little I have read about Classical Chinese Medicine, it states that only humans have Shen, animals only have Jing and Qi. I don't know if this is true and if it has any significance regarding the spirit communication.

 

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1 hour ago, KuroShiro said:

 

Fascinating indeed.

 

Can you please elaborate regarding the spiritual masters who can communicate with animals?

 

The little I have read about Classical Chinese Medicine, it states that only humans have Shen, animals only have Jing and Qi. I don't know if this is true and if it has any significance regarding the spirit communication.

 

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Yeah also the qigong master who befriended me - http://guidingqi.com - he communicates with animals and even after they are dead.

 

The original human culture was based on this - the San Bushmen - so if you watch the Andrew Zimmern Bizarre Planet episode I've posted - he shows how the Bushmen catch a bird in a trap but they won't eat it till the next day. Why? Because otherwise the spirit of the dead bird would tell the live birds that the humans are killing the birds.

 

And so for the qigong master he said this dog he was healing - the dog would choose to leave her body so that the qigong master could focus on healing the body without the mind of the dog getting in the way.

 

This is also why it is much easier to heal people when they are asleep - the qigong master healed my mom while talking to me on the phone since my mom was asleep at the time. She could barely walk and she had seen the qigong master for a couple "free" sample healings that helped but wore off. So when he talked to me on the phone we talked for 2 hours and at the end he said he had been having a "conversation" with my mom the whole time we were talking. I would have never noticed as he never passed in his talking or anything. The next day she could suddenly walk and not only that but she had so much energy that the day after she walked a half mile just because she wanted to - to the mail box and back. So the day before she got healed she had barely been able to walk up the stairs! She was recovering from bacterial meningitis and the hospital had put her on anti-seizure meds that zapped all her energy.

 

So after the healing she always did fine and he said for her to just keep walking - and so I keep doing healing on her.

 

But anyway - so the qigong masters focus on spirit healing in contrast to say tai chi or traditional acupuncture.

 

Another time he told me about how he had this conversation with a crow when he was up north in the forest.

 

 

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1 hour ago, KuroShiro said:

Can you please elaborate regarding the spiritual masters who can communicate with animals?

 

Don't encourage him!

 

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The little I have read about Classical Chinese Medicine, it states that only humans have Shen, animals only have Jing and Qi. I don't know if this is true and if it has any significance regarding the spirit communication.

 

This might change your mind.  This is in English with Spanish subtitles.

 

 

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1 hour ago, KuroShiro said:

 

I think this is a very important point.

Focusing on buddhist vs daoist vs... is not the way to go. They're all part of the same source (?).

 

Have you read the work of French author René Guénon? I haven't read it, yet...

He proposed that there's only 1 Tradition, that later developed into different shapes in function of culture and religion.

Now, who knows when/where/by whom/how did the Original Tradition originate?

 

 

I've read Rene Guenon - the problem with traditionalism is it is projecting the symmetric logic of vedic Brahmin culture onto nonwestern training.

 

So the original tradition is actually from the San Bushmen - from 100,000 years ago - and so the "three gunas" is the oldest philosophy of India and this is based on the complementary opposites just as Taoism.

 

I actually read Rene Guenon's Ph.D. thesis where he is focused on disproving calculus based on the wrong definition of infinity.

 

This is true but he did not realize that the materialistic idealism of time as a zero point of geometry is from symmetric math from Plato and Archytas - and so the truth is actually from Pythagorean harmonics as complementary opposites - or noncommutative phase.

 

This means that is C is 1 in music theory and then the octave is 2 as C but the overtone harmonics is 3 as G and yet the subharmonic is also 3 yet geometrically it is F, not G. So in the West this subharmonic of 2/3 C to F Perfect Fifth, was covered up and not allowed - even though empirically it is true.

 

And so noncommutative phase means that F=3=G at the same time - this is the secret of the Tai Chi also.

 

In the West we define sound by materialistic physics - but in fact we listen to sound - and so this is the secret of the three gunas as AUM - and also the original human culture - all human cultures use the 1-4-5 music intervals as 1:2:3:4 and in Taoism then yang is the Perfect Fifth and yin is the Perfect Fourth.

 

I have more details in my free pdf and my blog http://ecoechoinvasives.blogspot.com

 

 

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1 hour ago, KuroShiro said:

 

Fascinating indeed.

 

Can you please elaborate regarding the spiritual masters who can communicate with animals?

 

The little I have read about Classical Chinese Medicine, it states that only humans have Shen, animals only have Jing and Qi. I don't know if this is true and if it has any significance regarding the spirit communication.

 

 

The original human culture regularly communicated with lions and other animals - to protect the humans.

 

And so the most famous Thai Buddhist master - Phra Acharn Mun - would make his students meditate in the tiger-infested forests.

 

He said fear of death enabled better samadhi - this is true for scientific reasons that I go into in my free pdf.

 

Of course Phra Acharn Mun then used his spirit communication to keep the tigers from attacking his student monks.

 

You can read his biography as a free pdf online.

 

 

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1 hour ago, KuroShiro said:

 

Fascinating indeed.

 

Can you please elaborate regarding the spiritual masters who can communicate with animals?

 

The little I have read about Classical Chinese Medicine, it states that only humans have Shen, animals only have Jing and Qi. I don't know if this is true and if it has any significance regarding the spirit communication.

 

 

This isn't limited to animals!

 

I posted earlier in the thread how the Taoist Nun at Qingchengshan could hear the trees crying so she pulled the nails out of the trees from the tourist signs.

 

I actually had some spirit tree dreams from the big oak trees in the yard I grew up in. First I dreamt of this rainbow aura around one of the trees. Then a few days after I had this dream of a white bear leaning up against the other tree. So I went back to see the old yard and sure enough that tree that had the spirit white bear had just been cut down! And so then I looked up the significance of bears in circumpolar cultures - and they are considered spirit communicators.

 

So it's proven in science that trees and mushrooms communicate via coherent biophoton energy which is what spirit energy is - the mushrooms feed off dead trees and then feed the nitrogen to the living trees.

 

 

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On 8/3/2017 at 10:05 PM, voidisyinyang said:

Brian have you read my free pdf yet? I'll post it for you since maybe engaging with a hypertext pdf link is too much to ask:

The Idiot’s Guide to Taoist Alchemy Qigong, Enlightenment, Neidan, Nei Kung, Neigong training for males

I think this actually deserves its own discussion thread.  As I can see a lot of underlying, common principles identified there...

 

As in there are many common "neigong" practices - but why exactly are they all done and how do they really function?  Most people today don't know anymore...?

 

 

Also, it would also be great if the guide started off with a very condensed summary - then followed by the voluminous data and expansive explanations... B)

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4 hours ago, gendao said:

 

Also, it would also be great if the guide started off with a very condensed summary - then followed by the voluminous data and expansive explanations... B)

I actually cut away all information about physiology, quantum physics, and the pictures. And some other stuff not useful for me at present. 

Ended up with ten pages. 

Some of it is in line with my conclusions, also got one or two great references (thanks Drew for the work).

 

You might want to check the threads for Nei Jing Tu and XiuZhenTu, they might be useful. 

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