The decline and eventual fall of the USA as world superpower?

[CloudHands]

My question, are you all worried about it (the thread's topic) ?

[joeblast]

what sense does it make to worry. just hedge accordingly.

[silent thunder]

not worried, just observing

[CloudHands]

what sense does it make to worry. just hedge accordingly.

 

That cold ?!!!!

[joeblast]

and what pray tell is worry going to accomplish? especially when considered alongside a modicum of preservative action...? people all too often take plainspeak in an extrapolated manner.

[joeblast]

if you want to do something evil, put it inside something boring

 

 

sounds about right, John...

 

 

[joeblast]

 

[CloudHands]

Yep, I knew. They must be totally frightened to lost their position... Poor rich bankers !

[joeblast]

Submitted by Brandon Smith of Alt-Market.com,

“Actually, as Winston well knew, it was only four years since Oceania had been at war with Eastasia and in alliance with Eurasia. But that was merely a piece of furtive knowledge, which he happened to possess because his memory was not satisfactorily under control. Officially the change of partners had never happened. Oceania was at war with Eurasia: therefore Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia. The enemy of the moment always represented absolute evil, and it followed that any past or future agreement with him was impossible…” – George Orwell, 1984

 

Nations, cultures and populations are best controlled through the use of false paradigms. This is a historically proven tactic exploited for centuries by oligarchs around the world. Under the Hegelian dialectic (the very foundation of the Marxist and collectivist ideology), one could summarize the trap of false paradigms as follows:

 

If (A) my idea of freedom conflicts with ( your idea of freedom, then © neither of us can be free until everyone agrees to be a slave.

 

In other words: problem, reaction, solution. Two sides are pitted against each other in an engineered contest. Each side is led to believe that its position is the good and right position. Neither side questions the legitimacy of the conflict, because each side fears this will lead to ideological weakness and disunity.

 

The two sides go to war, sometimes economically, sometimes militarily. Both governments demand that individuals relinquish freedom, independence and self-reliance, a sacrifice that “must be made” so that victory can be achieved. In the end, neither nation nor society has truly won. The only winners are the oligarchs, who sing words of loyalty to their respective camps, while acting in league from the very beginning. The oligarchs, who never intended to target each other in the first place. Their target, their ONLY target, was the citizenry itself — the dumbfounded masses now mesmerized with shock, awe and terror.

The false paradigm method and the Hegelian dialectic are in full force today. Only a few years ago, Russia, China and the United States were considered close economic and political allies. Today, those alliances are being quickly scrapped in order to make room for conflict, a conflict useful only to a select international elite. As I have outlined in numerous articles, including Russia Is Dominated By Global Banks, Too and False East/West Paradigm Hides The Rise Of Global Currency, when one looks beyond all the theatrical rhetoric being thrown around between Barack Obama and Vladimir Putin, the ultimate reality is that the relationship of both governments to the global banking elite is the same.

 

During both of Obama’s Presidential terms, he has flooded his cabinet with current and former employees of Goldman Sachs, a longtime proving ground for elitist financiers with globalist aspirations.

 

And who is the primary economic adviser to Vladimir Putin and the Russian state? Why Goldman Sachs, of course!

U.S. and European elites have been calling for a centralization of economic power under the control of the International Monetary Fund, as a well as a new global currency.

 

Not surprisingly, Putin also wants a new global currency under the control of the IMF.

 

Obama is closely advised by globalists like Zbigniew Brzezinski, a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and cofounder of the Trilateral Commission, who in his book Between Two Ages: America’s Role In The Technetronic Era states:

 

"The nation-state is gradually yielding its sovereignty …[F]urther progress will require greater American sacrifices. More intensive efforts to shape a new world monetary structure will have to be undertaken, with some consequent risk to the present relatively favorable American position…"

As long as he has been in power, Putin has been closely advised by Henry Kissinger, yet another member of the CFR and proponent of the Trilateral Commission, who has said:

 

"In the end, the political and economic systems can be harmonized in only one of two ways: by creating an international political regulatory system with the same reach as that of the economic world; or by shrinking the economic units to a size manageable by existing political structures, which is likely to lead to a new mercantilism, perhaps of regional units. A new Bretton Woods kind of global agreement is by far the preferable outcome…"

Both Kissinger and Brzezinski refer to this harmonized global economic and political structure as the “New World Order.” The fact that the political leaders of Russia and the United States are clearly being directed by such men should not be taken lightly.

 

China, too, has made demands for a restructuring of the global monetary system into a centralized currency basket under the dominance of the IMF.

 

China’s ties to the banking elite of London are well documented.

 

The call on both sides for a new monetary system and the end of the dollar as world reserve seems to greatly contradict the fantasy that the East and West are fundamentally at odds. The progression towards a world currency and/or economic governance also appears to be growing along with the consolidation of economic and military ties between Eastern nations. This would suggest that the rise of the East and the crippling of Western elements is actually advantageous to global bankers in the long term.

 

While disinformation agents and media shills have attempted to downplay any danger to the strength of America and the dollar, Eastern governments have been swiftly establishing alliances and decoupling from U.S. influence.

 

The historic 30-year Russia/China gas deal has, of course, been finalized. This deal is already eating up market space and influencing the way in which the energy trade traditionally behaves.

 

China and Russia have also expanded on their bilateral agreements made in 2010, which remove the dollar as the reserve currency in transactions between the two nations.

 

China’s thirst for gold continues, while the country is now building its own gold exchange to rival the U.S. Comex.

Russia has recently established what Putin calls the “Eurasian Economic Union,” a deal which includes Kazakhstan and Belarus, two countries that hold large, freshly discovered oil fields.

 

In response to the engineered conflict over Ukraine, as well as the “Asian-Pacific Pivot” by the U.S., China has openly called for a new security pact with Russia and Iran.

 

Let’s also not forget that China is set to surpass the U.S. as the world’s largest economy by 2016, according to the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD).

 

While the rise of the East is being painted in Western circles as a threat to U.S. and NATO dominance, the bigger picture is being hidden from view. Yes, indeed, the consolidation of the East is a considerable threat to the dollar and the U.S. economy — most importantly in the event that China refuses to accept dollars as payment on exports and debts. With the world’s largest exporter/importer refusing to take dollars as a reserve, most nations will inevitably follow their lead. The argument against this development is, of course, that there is no rational trigger for such a violent fiscal attack. I would remind skeptics that there was no rational trigger for the current strengthened relations between Russia and China until the Ukraine crisis. Is anyone really foolish enough to bet against another direct or indirect conflict between NATO and the East? And is anyone really ignorant enough to assume that said event would not be used as an excuse to cut the legs out from under the dollar completely?

 

The New World Order players have positioned the East and West for just such a scenario. Why? In my article Who Is The New Secret Buyer Of U.S. Debt?, I give evidence indicating that the Bank of International Settlements and the IMF are preparing the financial world for a new global monetary system, brought into existence by a second Bretton Woods conference. The debasement of the dollar and the rise of the East are NOT obstacles to this plan. Rather, they are required factors. There can be no truly global economic system without “harmonization”, the demise of the dollar's world reserve status, and the end of sovereign economic governance.

 

For those who doubt this scenario, read Paul Volcker’s latest statement, as reported by Zero Hedge.

 

Volcker, the same man who was directly involved in the destruction of the first Bretton Woods agreement and the final death rattle of the gold standard, is now promoting a NEW Bretton Woods-style agreement in which currencies are pegged to a controlled market system — in essence, a centralized international monetary system. Volcker also suggests that a single nation-based reserve currency like the dollar may be a danger to overall fiscal health.

 

Volcker is right. The dollar-dominated forex casino and fiat fraud is a danger to the world. Volcker helped make it that way! And what a surprise, the former Federal Reserve chairman has a solution on a silver platter for the American people — all we need is GLOBAL centralization and bureaucratic oversight.

 

The propaganda is being carefully planted within the mainstream. Christine Lagarde of the IMF now spends the whole of her media interviews inserting the phrase “global economic reset” without explaining exactly what that would entail, while central banking elites like Volcker suggest a Bretton Woods II conference leading to a global monetary authority. In the meantime, Russian government-funded media outlets like RT produce pieces accusing the U.S. of being a nuclear menace while we Americans get to watch manipulative Hollywood films like “Jack Ryan: Shadow Recruit,” which depicts a Russian plot to collapse the U.S. economy. China and U.S. representatives squabble with each other at geopolitical meetings fueling fears of diplomatic breakdown, while the Pentagon "suggests" they may have to revamp their military strategies in consideration of yet another World War. Just as in Orwell's book, 1984, old enemies become allies and then enemies once again, and at the top of the pyramid, it's all a farce.

 

The best lies contain elements of truth. The truth here is that the East is forming alliances in opposition to the West, the West is involved in underhanded covert operations all over the planet, and both “sides” are in fact on the verge of a catastrophic battle for supremacy. The great lie is that important details have been left out of our little story. Both sides are merely puppet pieces in a grand game of global chess, and any conflict will ultimately benefit the small group of men standing over the board. They include the international financiers who have influenced the very policy fabric of each government toward a climactic crisis which they hope will finally give them the “New World Order” they have always dreamed of.

[joeblast]

lol...

 

 

[Brian]

 

 

 

 

[joeblast]

here to help who....help out the local police in florida where they were illegally spying on people with those portable cel intercepts, and then ACLU sues and gets approval for the stuff to be turned over, only for the US Marshalls to come in and confiscate every bit of it, claiming they, uh, yeah, we....deputized one of the officers that worked on this, see, so that means this is all federal data and we dont care who you are, the most transparent gov ever now hands you another wobbling mold of opaqueness...

[joeblast]

always good to see establishment figures get flushed down the drain.

 

 

goodnight, cantor, thanks for....absolutely nothing, or perhaps merely a continuation of the status quo...

[Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan]

it is long past time for everyone to evaluate the situation and assess weather or not participation is going to result in any sort of solution or just quit playing the game all together and remove themselves from the negative influence that participation produces.

[joeblast]

when confronted with a hydra that is eating your countryside, running away may save you that day, but better that you start figuring out how to kill it, if you value your countryside at all.

 

until "the people" realize that the federal reserve is the source of the misery and that it has bought all 3 branches of the government, not a lot will change.

 

until it does. personally I would rather die trying to kill the hydra instead of returning from my flight years later to find orwell's tale completed.

[silent thunder]

when confronted with a hydra that is eating your countryside, running away may save you that day, but better that you start figuring out how to kill it, if you value your countryside at all.

 

until "the people" realize that the federal reserve is the source of the misery and that it has bought all 3 branches of the government, not a lot will change.

 

until it does. personally I would rather die trying to kill the hydra instead of returning from my flight years later to find orwell's tale completed.

Federal Reserve Bank

Military Industrial Complex

 

on par for the most dangerous six words out there

[Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan]

when confronted with a hydra that is eating your countryside, running away may save you that day, but better that you start figuring out how to kill it, if you value your countryside at all.

 

until "the people" realize that the federal reserve is the source of the misery and that it has bought all 3 branches of the government, not a lot will change.

 

until it does. personally I would rather die trying to kill the hydra instead of returning from my flight years later to find orwell's tale completed.

 

 

You misunderstand: The hydra is a fictional construct maintained by the continued participation within the structure of civilization.

 

Cut one head (actively participate) and 2 more will grow in its place.

Cut the heart out (end participation) and the body will die.

Edited June 11, 2014 by Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan

[joeblast]

we just differ on what is cutting the heart out. for most that is not an option at all, there is simply far too much population to support the hunter gatherer lifestyle any longer save for just a few. the only way to kill the beast is to kill it, not withhold just your own energy and resources and hope that will be sufficient to starve the thing compassion for the fellow man, and all...

[Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan]

we just differ on what is cutting the heart out. for most that is not an option at all, there is simply far too much population to support the hunter gatherer lifestyle any longer save for just a few. the only way to kill the beast is to kill it, not withhold just your own energy and resources and hope that will be sufficient to starve the thing compassion for the fellow man, and all...

 

Im not allowed to talk about killing the sources of our problems on TTB. i got banned for it before and already got a warning since i've been back.

 

 

If killing it were an option, hitler got a head start.

[CloudHands]

Idealists

[Guest FredZ]

I think the US will fall just like every other world super power and will be replaced by some other country. Perhaps China. It seems that everything is produced in China now. I think this is a shame though because of the way the Chinese government violates human rights.

[joeblast]

 

Im not allowed to talk about killing the sources of our problems on TTB. i got banned for it before and already got a warning since i've been back.

 

 

If killing it were an option, hitler got a head start.

well....it'll only come to violent revolution if they feel....like a cornered animal, that they have no other choice. preparations are already happening, what with the wars and all that surplus equipment going to militarize local law enforcement.

 

but dont fool yourself into thinking things like MRAPs actually return from over there. They have a chop shop for anything inconvenient to bring back - so humvees, etc....get cut into pieces by a big machine and sold for scrap. only little stuff and really big stuff makes it back.

[silent thunder]

I think the US will fall just like every other world super power and will be replaced by some other country. Perhaps China. It seems that everything is produced in China now. I think this is a shame though because of the way the Chinese government violates human rights.

Most likely they'll be there soon after all, China was the dominant force through much of history until they went turtle and closed up for a few centuries. I wonder what the odds are in Vegas...

[Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan]

Idealists

 

man will never fly, cuz idealists cant amount up to anything! (/sargasm)

Edited June 13, 2014 by Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan

[joeblast]

its sad when you even see in sporting events where you have supposedly unbiased referees...I'm sorry, but those refs in LA were in the tank for the Kings. bs hooking that led to the shorthanded fluke goal by the rangers.....bs acting by the kings guy sticking his leg out like it was injected with novocaine should have been a penalty on him instead of having the rangers called for obstruction that set up the tying goal....ref overrules both the line judges with regulation winding down to take the face off outside the king's zone....it was disgusting seeing things like that happen every game they played in LA (when the game wasnt already in the bag)