Women: You can't live with them,.....

[de_paradise]

OP, no disrespect but there's displayed in this pile of mental masturbation the implicit ego boosting, attachment to mind-projected reactions and mind-constructed falsehoods, attachment to sex, attachment to not sex. This is THE SAME as adolescent drivelling on about some girl in class, no matter if you change the words to karma and frame it as a Taoist conundrum.

 

Now I'm in the same friggen boat and prone to the same problems: which is why I'm being hard on you, because Im really being a jerk to myself too.

 

There is no reason you cant bang her and practise your taoist sexual skills, or just cuddle to convert the feminine energy. You ought to do this and help get over alot of attachments in one fell swoop.

 

 

....Period.

I was taking a "G" train home today when a girl I know Clementine (Plato know exactly who I'm talking about) walked in the same car. She saw me and sat right next to me.

Man, she is as pretty as always. You know, those hot Polish girls that are usually not so bright on the inside, but this one has such a good heart!

When she sat down she seemed to make a move to kiss me in a cheek but got confused and stopped. I wasn't sure if it was her intention, but I went and did it myself. Sweet girl, the sweetest I've ever known.

She asked me how come she doesn't see me at all in the dinner she works part time and I said I'm busy these days. She said I look sad or tired and I just smiled back.

I asked her how is school she goes to and she proceeded telling me about her internships, classes she is taking, etc. I don't recall much of it, maybe because I wasn't listening, only the last parts so I can ask additional questions.

As she was talking, I looked at her face and for the first time could really see how she really looks a little more then a foot away. I also looked at the people in the train: most of the men were staring at her, covered in their own drool. Women stared her up and down- jealous! She said something about her taking a Photography class and I made a note to myself that the universe might be messing with me again. It's a long story, just ask Plato about it, he has more experience with photography girls then me.

She stopped talking and was looking at me. I guess I could have said something but why? So she started asking questions about me... what I do for a living, if I like it or not... I gave short answers without even thinking what I was saying. My mind was blank and so she did all the talking, I just smiled and guided her. We proceeded talking about her dinner and she asked about Plato and how he was doing. She remembered the food we usually ordered- chicken cutlet and a pork chop with corn. Then she laughed about how one day they gave me pig knuckles instead of stuffed cabbage (both sound almost the same in Polish). I was surprised she remembers that one and told her "what, you have nothing better to keep your mind on?" She laughed. The thing is she wasn't even in the dinner that day, so the girls might have told her. It seems like Plato and I are some kind of unknown heroes that those Polish waitresses talk for days after we leave. They all want the same thing, anyway, that their drunken boyfriends lost years ago from excessive masturbation and watching porn.

We kissed in the chick before I got off the train. She said "I see you soon" and I just smiled back. I remember the look on her face. It's the same look that 22 yo Ukrainian girl had when I was dating her. She had no clue where she was standing with me- she was so confused. And how those girls could have any clue about me, if I myself don't know. They are pretty and all, but is this all about looks? Am I impressed with their beauty?... Probably, especially at times when other men show they wanna fuck them.

Clementine is different in one way- she is very kind and caring, to complement her looks. I could have easily got her number but what would I do with her? A relationship? I know for sure she wants a baby (she loves kids that's why she has a carrier as a pre-school teacher). I, on the other hand, mention word "baby" in sentences like: "Yeah, babies are useful if you have no other food in the house". It simply won't work. If I wanted to have a kid, she would be the perfect girl to have it with. But I don't. I would never be able to cultivate with the family the way I can do now.

It is soooo hard to reject this girl. I had rejected so many of them already. They all are attracted to the same thing that other people can't buy with money, fame or any other way. They all wanna take it from you, and you get chased by hot girls that literally say they want to fuck you. Plato rejects dozens of hot chicks under a pretense that their ass is too loose. The reason you don't hear about it is because he lost the count and too lazy to type.

I know I shouldn't have cared about all this and some of you would say "just fuck her and see what happens". I probably already have some karma with her because I keep meeting her and she is so receptive and friendly. I remember when I and Plato first saw her we were just kept starring at her because she is indeed a beautiful person on many levels.

And that's why I can't "just fuck her".

It's amazing it happens like clockwork. You start meditating and usually at the beginning you are not that strict with yourself. And so you have a girlfriend or if you don't, you want to get one. You want to get a pretty girl but if you are not good looking chances are they all will reject you. Your ideas that those girls should go out with you because you are on a spiritual path, or because you are fun, sensitive, caring and expressive are all dog shit and useless, but you will probably learn about that later on. I know I still in the process of doing that. But eventually, if you are lucky enough not to get married and get anyone pregnant, your practices become deeper and you will look at things from a slightly different point. If you stop ejaculating, your energy starts to build, or rather gets purer, and when you have enough chi you will see what you have to do. About this time, you notice that the opposite sex pays attention to you more. Most people have a desire now to get a hot girl, because "gee, I feel so powerful now, no woman can take it away from me!" They get a girlfriend and are back to the beginning.

If you stay on your course, cultivate with discipline and resist the temptations of the hottest girls trying to get you, the universe will take care of you and you pass this stage and move on to higher things. But it's so damn hard. I'm not sure if I can do it this time. Mmmm, Clementine....

Edited March 7, 2008 by de_paradise

[Smile]

OP, no disrespect but there's displayed in this pile of mental masturbation the implicit ego boosting, attachment to mind-projected reactions and mind-constructed falsehoods, attachment to sex, attachment to not sex. This is THE SAME as adolescent drivelling on about some girl in class, no matter if you change the words to karma and frame it as a Taoist conundrum.

 

Yes, you are absolutely right... The post is from more then 3 years ago.

[Taoist81]

Ron Jeremy's posts are amusing... why was he banned (if it is not a taboo subject)?

 

 

Smile, your comment about natural PUA sounds vaguely like the ideagasms "plan" (at least the way Stephane talks in the newsletters), do you read/listen to his stuff or did you stumble upon the same "effect"?

[Yoda]

Taoist81,

 

I'm glad RJ's posts are still being read and appreciated.

 

He really was the Godfather of Taobums for awhile and a real genius in many ways. My interpretation is that too much sexual energy work will lead to imbalances in anyone and he got progressively less insightful and funny and more aggressive to the point that he was simply being mean.

 

Sean had to excommunicate his ass.

 

There were only a few females who could tolerate being on the same forum with him, so ditching him did open up the forum to a much more diverse crowd which has been a great thing.

 

I had mixed feelings about losing a taobum with so much talent, but I'm very amazed and grateful for the new talent that has come on board since. It's a great thing!!

 

Yours,

Yoda

[Smile]

Smile, your comment about natural PUA sounds vaguely like the ideagasms "plan" (at least the way Stephane talks in the newsletters), do you read/listen to his stuff or did you stumble upon the same "effect"?

 

I went through reading/watching Ideagasms a few years back. A few things were interesting but his interpretation of man-woman relationships is New Age-ish to me. Very simplistic and doesn't go deep into "How" and "Why". He is a good guy though.

[gendao]

You had to dig this post out, didn't you?

It's too easy these days as most of men are drained through too much sex/masturbation or playing video games. When you save and refine your sexual energy to higher states, people will notice and will want be around you. Not just girls but people in general. I call it a "natural PUA" as it comes from within.

Actually, I was searching for WSM and this came up somehow..

 

Anyhow, I am starting to notice a similar effect as a byproduct of studying PU and clearing your energy. Both improve your persona, and women are quick to sense that from afar.

 

Like lately, I've even noticed women at work (whom I normally don't talk to much) seem more willing to banter with me and so forth. In fact, yesterday one talked to me for about 5 minutes as if she knew me. Not my type at all, but it was just odd how she initiated the interaction even though we've never really talked before.

Edited March 7, 2008 by vortex

[sunshine]

Hi Max

 

if you don't mind.

 

What has changed since 3 years ago. What happened to Clementine, what happened to you over the years. No temptations anymore? And so many more questions to ask...

 

 

Harry

[Smile]

Like lately, I've noticed women at work (whom I normally don't talk too much) seem more willing to banter with me and so forth. In fact, yesterday one talked to me for about 5 minutes as if she knew me. Not my type at all, but it was just odd how she initiated the interaction even though we've never really talked before.

 

Yes, David, i noticed that too. People come and talk to you like you've known them for years.

[Smile]

What has changed since 3 years ago. What happened to Clementine, what happened to you over the years. No temptations anymore? And so many more questions to ask...

 

Hi Harry,

 

Clementine got married and finished college. Temptations are still there but the reaction to them is not. The sensations are still there, but the clinging to them is gone. They diminished over the years and the remaining part is on the background playing its role. Living from moment to moment is very interesting, as it feels like there is not "you" per se, yet your life experiences are richer then ever before. Old things were there and gone now. New things are here and will be gone tomorrow. It feels like living in a cave yet connected to everything and everyone, and all it takes is to open your eyes for the cave to become the whole universe. But you keep your eyes closed, because it's more fun this way .

 

Max

[sunshine]

It feels like living in a cave yet connected to everything and everyone, and all it takes is to open your eyes for the cave to become the whole universe. But you keep your eyes closed, because it's more fun this way .

Max

 

Thankx Max. I am looking forward to this

 

Harry

[wudangspirit]

Interesting story and I can see your point on some levels man but you cannot miss out on life like Ron J says. Follow your Tao and don't miss life. What are you worried about anyway? Life is here to be enjoyed but just don't take it to extremes. If you like this girl and are afraid of having sex with her that is "your" problem and "your" ego. Maybe she doesn't even want to have sex with you. But you'll never know unless you go for it. If you are afraid of wanting to have sex with her then you need a lesson in discipline.

 

However, there's nothing wrong with a couple of consenting adults man.

 

Tao Bless

 

Wudangspirit

 

 

....Period.

I was taking a "G" train home today when a girl I know Clementine (Plato know exactly who I'm talking about) walked in the same car. She saw me and sat right next to me.

Man, she is as pretty as always. You know, those hot Polish girls that are usually not so bright on the inside, but this one has such a good heart!

When she sat down she seemed to make a move to kiss me in a cheek but got confused and stopped. I wasn't sure if it was her intention, but I went and did it myself. Sweet girl, the sweetest I've ever known.

She asked me how come she doesn't see me at all in the dinner she works part time and I said I'm busy these days. She said I look sad or tired and I just smiled back.

I asked her how is school she goes to and she proceeded telling me about her internships, classes she is taking, etc. I don't recall much of it, maybe because I wasn't listening, only the last parts so I can ask additional questions.

As she was talking, I looked at her face and for the first time could really see how she really looks a little more then a foot away. I also looked at the people in the train: most of the men were staring at her, covered in their own drool. Women stared her up and down- jealous! She said something about her taking a Photography class and I made a note to myself that the universe might be messing with me again. It's a long story, just ask Plato about it, he has more experience with photography girls then me.

She stopped talking and was looking at me. I guess I could have said something but why? So she started asking questions about me... what I do for a living, if I like it or not... I gave short answers without even thinking what I was saying. My mind was blank and so she did all the talking, I just smiled and guided her. We proceeded talking about her dinner and she asked about Plato and how he was doing. She remembered the food we usually ordered- chicken cutlet and a pork chop with corn. Then she laughed about how one day they gave me pig knuckles instead of stuffed cabbage (both sound almost the same in Polish). I was surprised she remembers that one and told her "what, you have nothing better to keep your mind on?" She laughed. The thing is she wasn't even in the dinner that day, so the girls might have told her. It seems like Plato and I are some kind of unknown heroes that those Polish waitresses talk for days after we leave. They all want the same thing, anyway, that their drunken boyfriends lost years ago from excessive masturbation and watching porn.

We kissed in the chick before I got off the train. She said "I see you soon" and I just smiled back. I remember the look on her face. It's the same look that 22 yo Ukrainian girl had when I was dating her. She had no clue where she was standing with me- she was so confused. And how those girls could have any clue about me, if I myself don't know. They are pretty and all, but is this all about looks? Am I impressed with their beauty?... Probably, especially at times when other men show they wanna fuck them.

Clementine is different in one way- she is very kind and caring, to complement her looks. I could have easily got her number but what would I do with her? A relationship? I know for sure she wants a baby (she loves kids that's why she has a carrier as a pre-school teacher). I, on the other hand, mention word "baby" in sentences like: "Yeah, babies are useful if you have no other food in the house". It simply won't work. If I wanted to have a kid, she would be the perfect girl to have it with. But I don't. I would never be able to cultivate with the family the way I can do now.

It is soooo hard to reject this girl. I had rejected so many of them already. They all are attracted to the same thing that other people can't buy with money, fame or any other way. They all wanna take it from you, and you get chased by hot girls that literally say they want to fuck you. Plato rejects dozens of hot chicks under a pretense that their ass is too loose. The reason you don't hear about it is because he lost the count and too lazy to type.

I know I shouldn't have cared about all this and some of you would say "just fuck her and see what happens". I probably already have some karma with her because I keep meeting her and she is so receptive and friendly. I remember when I and Plato first saw her we were just kept starring at her because she is indeed a beautiful person on many levels.

And that's why I can't "just fuck her".

It's amazing it happens like clockwork. You start meditating and usually at the beginning you are not that strict with yourself. And so you have a girlfriend or if you don't, you want to get one. You want to get a pretty girl but if you are not good looking chances are they all will reject you. Your ideas that those girls should go out with you because you are on a spiritual path, or because you are fun, sensitive, caring and expressive are all dog shit and useless, but you will probably learn about that later on. I know I still in the process of doing that. But eventually, if you are lucky enough not to get married and get anyone pregnant, your practices become deeper and you will look at things from a slightly different point. If you stop ejaculating, your energy starts to build, or rather gets purer, and when you have enough chi you will see what you have to do. About this time, you notice that the opposite sex pays attention to you more. Most people have a desire now to get a hot girl, because "gee, I feel so powerful now, no woman can take it away from me!" They get a girlfriend and are back to the beginning.

If you stay on your course, cultivate with discipline and resist the temptations of the hottest girls trying to get you, the universe will take care of you and you pass this stage and move on to higher things. But it's so damn hard. I'm not sure if I can do it this time. Mmmm, Clementine....

[Smile]

And again, this post was made in 2003.

But due to it coming out right now, maybe "something' is trying to tell me something.

[Pietro]

And again, this post was made in 2003.

But due to it coming out right now, maybe "something' is trying to tell me something.

 

Do you still agree with it?

 

Pietro

[Rosalia Juarez]

Your feelings are all so gay. Unless you're Japanese!

You men all play the tough boys but then you can't keep it hard 90% of the times!!!

Go buy some viagra next time you ride the tube you superman!!!

 

Bye sweetie!

 

La Viuda Negra

[Smile]

Do you still agree with it?

Pietro

Nah, can't relate to that post in any way. But the energy thing is still true.

Max

[Rosalia Juarez]

Nah, can't relate to that post in any way. But the energy thing is still true.

Max

 

LOL look at this gentleman who cannot relate to what he thought a bit ago LOL!

But then tomorrow you won't relate to what you say today what a joke! So whcih version is the real you?

You don't know? eheheheheh

 

bye sweetie work more on your image though you tough Pick Up Warrior!!!

[松永道]

This is kind of a cool post, nice to see the evolution of one's personality over 3 years. You were kind of on the asshole trip back then huh Max? And wow, Taobums was such a boys club!

 

I think it is a natural experience though. Qi is vitality and that's damn attractive. But just because you're radiating, it doesn't mean your Shen is in good shape. Like any power, it's tempting to abuse it or feel better than other people for having it. Certainly, there have been some damn despicable qi masters throughout history. Keep your qi, cut your cords, if you believe it, then sure, but that doesn't mean its not dead dogma. Sometimes when you give it away, more energy gets sucked into the vacuum it left behind. I know healing people and sex has made my system stronger. Every tradition out there has got it wrong (even if everything they say is right) because language cannot capture the essence of change. Words have a hard time with paradox. Definition separates yin from yang. How can something be both? How can one thing be two at once? How can two things be one? How can one thing be everything? How can everything be nothing?

 

At its best dogma is a pair of diapers; clean, tidy, and downright sensible. It does a great job of stopping you from making a real mess. But once you know what's going on, you gotta stop using it, because after a while dogma just stinks.

 

Anyway, well done Max, you've gotten a lot cooler.

 

[edit] P.S. I wonder what my three years from now self would say looking back.. probably, "man, I sure thought I knew a lot!"

Edited March 9, 2008 by 松永道

[rain]

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Edited April 17, 2008 by rain

[seadog]

with or without me...

 

 

With!

[Jill Morgyn]

Wow.

 

I have to say I'm having a visceral response to this thread and feeling quite sick at the moment.

 

This thread is filled with hate.

 

There is no discussion here of the karmic repercussions of draining the life force energy of another person and using it to further your own spiritual development.

 

There is also no understanding of the female experience and it is troubling to encounter such a selfish view of the world (i.e. I am the center of it and everything else "out there" is a smorgasborg of stuff to serve my own personal agenda).

 

As a warrior-monk-scholar soul, currently incarnated in a female physical body, I have encountered male taoists who view women as a "yin tonic" and now that I have had the experience of being in a woman's body with the degree of enlightenment I have, I am saddened by the male's lack of awareness of just how aware and complex a female-incarnated soul actually is, and how different our experience is being always subjugated in life to the male arrogant and self-serving agenda.

 

I also suspect the reason I'm currently in a female body is because I was a man like the ones commenting in this particular thread at some point and I am now being humbled by the realization of just how misguided the buddhist-taoist anti-woman ideologies are.

 

Excuse me while I take a few weeks away from this forum to recover from reading this thread.

[gendao]

As a warrior-monk-scholar soul, currently incarnated in a female physical body, I have encountered male taoists who view women as a "yin tonic" and now that I have had the experience of being in a woman's body with the degree of enlightenment I have, I am saddened by the male's lack of awareness of just how aware and complex a female-incarnated soul actually is, and how different our experience is being always subjugated in life to the male arrogant and self-serving agenda.

 

I also suspect the reason I'm currently in a female body is because I was a man like the ones commenting in this particular thread at some point and I am now being humbled by the realization of just how misguided the buddhist-taoist anti-woman ideologies are.

Wow, where did you read all that?

 

Or are you just projecting your own personal biases against men here?

 

Because you just made a diaperload of loaded assumptions and paranoid accusations against men, Taoism & male Taoists. As well as refusing to give any due credit, as well. Now, this type of extremist, 1-sided viewpoint commonly reveals a confirmation bias based upon deeper, less-rational prejudices.

 

But fact is, a lot of women actually like Taoism because if anything, it stresses the "counterintuitive" power of the true Yin feminine. But until you truly accept that aspect of yourself, you will keep blaming men for not honoring it in you, either.

Edited April 7, 2008 by vortex