How do you get more qi?

[Reader]

this is the best ebook about anapanasati I have read.I learned it from here:

http://www.dhammasukha.org/Study/Books/Pdf...20Sutta%202.pdf

 

Thank you for your sharing. I will start reading this tonight.

 

I also got some materials on White Skeleton Meditation.

 

I will be back for some discussions.

 

Did you learn these 2 meditation methods yourself?

 

Be well.

[Gerard]

I have done a lot of meditation,qi gong and weight training.meditation generates unlimited amounts of chi,qi gong also generate a little but I have never noticed weight training generate chi,i would say it actually does the opposite

 

 

Well probably not the weight training you did or most people do.

[Spectrum]

How does a musical instrument get a better note?

[xenolith]

How does a musical instrument get a better note?

It practices that note.

[Vajrasattva]

How does a musical instrument get a better note?

 

 

it has to age nicely and be oiled & Fine tuned & it also must be "played" and broken in.

 

 

I think I get more qi through the IMA. If qi goes with yi, than zhan zhuang is where I get most qi out of my training. I exercise and heighten my Yi most easily in and after standing.

 

So, how do you get more qi?

 

 

Deep Slow Breathing with Lower Dt & Diaphragm. Secret Smile to smooth ones energy pathways and to dissolve blocked pathways & loosen KNotted energies.

 

Also learning to breath with the whole body.

 

 

I suggest a good clearning method asell. Bonpo has some great ones. As does Ho'oponono.

 

Peace

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[Spectrum]

Interaction of accoustics w instrument shape and material resonance aka timbre

Edited January 5, 2010 by Spectrum

[Aetherous]

timbre

 

One of my favorite subjects, sound-wise. Tiny details, like what type of wood used in the instrument, make a huge difference to a trained ear.

[Kali Yuga]

I have a good question here. I'd like it if Ya Mu and drewhempel would chime in, its something that I think is very interesting...

 

My question is, how are your meridians and energy body related to everyday consciousness? What impact does the way that one chooses to think and act and feel in normal life have on these things? Is it merely something of "i need to cultivate".. and then its done? No more work, I've cultivated through my practice now I have nothing to be concerned about? Or is it something deeper, a way of thinking and living? What effects do thoughts and emotions have on the energetic body?

 

I'm very interested to understand how this works.

[Ya Mu]

I have a good question here. I'd like it if Ya Mu and drewhempel would chime in, its something that I think is very interesting...

 

My question is, how are your meridians and energy body related to everyday consciousness? What impact does the way that one chooses to think and act and feel in normal life have on these things? Is it merely something of "i need to cultivate".. and then its done? No more work, I've cultivated through my practice now I have nothing to be concerned about? Or is it something deeper, a way of thinking and living? What effects do thoughts and emotions have on the energetic body?

 

I'm very interested to understand how this works.

 

 

My question is, how are your meridians and energy body related to everyday consciousness?

A person's consciousness is asleep if they have not raised the energy body vibratory rate. It has everything to do with who you really are.

What impact does the way that one chooses to think and act and feel in normal life have on these things?

Possibly nothing and possibly a great deal. If one raises the energy body vibration rate and finds out who he really is then he will more than likely choose to fulfill his destiny.

 

Is it merely something of "i need to cultivate".. and then its done? No more work, I've cultivated through my practice now I have nothing to be concerned about?

There is ALWAYS more work; ALWAYS higher levels.

 

Or is it something deeper, a way of thinking and living?

Yes

 

What effects do thoughts and emotions have on the energetic body?

The mind is very powerful and one's worst enemy.

[steve]

You do not "get more" of it but refine your awareness (yi) of what you pocess innately. It is a misconception that anyone pocesses more chi than anyone else.

I agree with this concept of Qi.

How do animals get more Qi - why would they need it?

If Wu Wei is a foundational principle of Daoism, why do we feel we need to work so hard?

[Old Man Contradiction]

How do animals get more Qi - why would they need it?

If Wu Wei is a foundational principle of Daoism, why do we feel we need to work so hard?

 

It depends on the reasons. An animal might want more qi in order to resist disease. Although I don't believe there are too many animals that have semi-abstract desires.

 

Why do we feel we need to work so hard? Rehabilitation is hard work. But also, being an extraordinary martial artist, is hard work. Wu Wei is not some people's ultimate goal and in some systems it is a by-product.

Edited January 6, 2010 by Old Man Contradiction

[Spectrum]

acheiving through retirning is losing everything the psychlogixal mind grasps for in desperation to keep itself Id ego self concept alive ideas make up most environments humans inhabit simulacra and simulation being the hallmarks of writing history the seperatists of the story are lifted and float or are exciled and troden under foot what lies above returns below what is below can be lifted up and completely released to return. within three inches of where you are right now lyLes a doorway thru that door is a hall w many doors thru each door is a dream the hallway leads to an ocean of dreams mind movement through direct exposure; safe passage is granted to that which survives the elemental tests.

 

Wuji nothing blank page womb darkness origi n

 

yang sumthing in nuthing a dot on the page of wuji

 

yin rewraps in around and thru yang the page falls in on the dot

the dot expands to form two intertwined teardrops

 

at it's apex the whole process is reborn Iwithinitself the circling eddies form eyes and the two fish intertwine

 

what is learned in the time it takes to feel wuji relationship w the rest of lifes movement reveals the deeper realms of peace and stillness within fantastic realms of movement in which we all eat sleep move and breath

Edited January 6, 2010 by Spectrum

[Guest sykkelpump]

acheiving through retirning is losing everything the psychlogixal mind grasps for in desperation to keep itself Id ego self concept alive ideas make up most environments humans inhabit simulacra and simulation being the hallmarks of writing history the seperatists of the story are lifted and float or are exciled and troden under foot what lies above returns below what is below can be lifted up and completely released to return. within three inches of where you are right now lyLes a doorway thru that door is a hall w many doors thru each door is a dream the hallway leads to an ocean of dreams mind movement through direct exposure; safe passage is granted to that which survives the elemental tests.

 

Wuji nothing blank page womb darkness origi n

 

yang sumthing in nuthing a dot on the page of wuji

 

yin rewraps in around and thru yang the page falls in on the dot

the dot expands to form two intertwined teardrops

 

at it's apex the whole process is reborn Iwithinitself the circling eddies form eyes and the two fish intertwine

 

Spectrum,have you ever posted something that is understanable or informative?

Edited January 6, 2010 by sykkelpump

[Old Man Contradiction]

Spectrum,have you ever posted something that is understanable or informative?

 

Maybe you have problems reading or are blind in some way?

 

meditation is the only secure way to generate chi.

 

I never called this out, but you were definitely talking out of your ass when you said this.

 

Meditation is relaxing. So in comparison to a stressful hard day at work, yeah, you "generate" qi. But how do you go further than that? Meditate more? Good luck with that.

Edited January 6, 2010 by Old Man Contradiction

[Reader]

I think we need to respect others more. It is a Tao forum but in many ways we dont show it enough.

 

Old Man Contradiction:

 

What do you mean? I too think meditation can generate Qi either sitting or standing. I know you do it by standing. Standing is better for me because it can also transport generated Qi to where my body needs otherwise I need to to some movements.

 

Meditation is relaxing. So in comparison to a stressful hard day at work, yeah, you "generate" qi. But how do you go further than that? Meditate more?

 

Ya Mu:

 

Do you mean Internal Qigong as meditation?

 

How do you get more qi?

Practice internal qigong combined with movement qigong.

 

Thank you guys,

Your Tao Buddy

[Guest sykkelpump]

Maybe you have problems reading or are blind in some way?

I never called this out, but you were definitely talking out of your ass when you said this.

 

Meditation is relaxing. So in comparison to a stressful hard day at work, yeah, you "generate" qi. But how do you go further than that? Meditate more? Good luck with that.

 

I shouldnt really bother to answering this.I just do it so others dont listen to your lack of knowledge.

You have no clue what meditation is do you?

It is a common fact that meditation is more or less the only way to enlightenment,if that is far enough.

When i say it is the most secure way i mean ,if you stop yor mind you will generate chi that is for sure.like a natural law.So you know what to do,it just takes practice.

There is also different kind of breathing exercises,like dan tien breathing condensing breathing etc ...

Problem is people can spend a lot of time on this without results,it depends on how open their energy channels are.

zhang zhuan is also a method,but the energy you generate is nothing compared to deep meditation.but it is a very good thing in combination with meditation

[Ya Mu]

...

Ya Mu:

 

Do you mean Internal Qigong as meditation?

...

Yes, the Stillness-Movement qigong system I practice and teach is internal meditative style. The Gift of the Tao system I practice and teach is a movement style. Both are very effective at helping a person raise the energy body vibrational rate. Particularly effective for those that wish to manipulate qi as in medical qigong.

[Reader]

Yes, the Stillness-Movement qigong system I practice and teach is internal meditative style. The Gift of the Tao system I practice and teach is a movement style. Both are very effective at helping a person raise the energy body vibrational rate. Particularly effective for those that wish to manipulate qi as in medical qigong.

 

Thank you for your answer. I enjoy what your above presentation on Qi development.

 

Respectfully.

[Marblehead]

I am happy to see such a peaceful and respectful discussion going on and especially the gereration of positive Chi being generated by such a discussion.

 

I agree with Reader's post above: I think we need to respect others more.

 

Peace & Love!

[Spectrum]

sykklepup is refering to my last few posts i'm sure, which were done remotely w/ a handheld device, they are meant to be a brainstorming type of post, based on what i am inspired by briefly from the bums and i apologize for those notes lacking cohesion and development, but hopefully concepts are presented in some light that are useful to someone.

 

on that note of creativity and inspiration; if you have something to contribute to the hole i'm sure it'll come to the surface.

 

condensation breathing is something that is very useful and undervalued in my opinion

 

resv for more on condensation breath

 

the way it was presented to me was instead of using the throat to regulate the breath into the slow stream described in many methods of meditation you use the muscles associated with speaking to shape the oral cavity into a regulator while minimazing the minds fixation on using the any extra muscles outside of the breathing aparatus; on the inhale (nose) the sound is hen (crossed paths w/ many taiji ppl who insist on heng) the tongue flapping to the roof of the mouth to complete the n, it is simply said w/ the breath, it does not vibrate the vocal chords, but the shape is there; on the exhale (mouth) it is ha, holding the aaaa w/ the aspiration, still silent, but on the breath, no vocal chords, creates a powerful pressurization and vacuum effect similar to a supercharger pumping air into the combustion chanmber, vs the normal airflow of a carb.

 

it is subtle and accumulative

 

experimenting with swallowing sounds or feeling how words make the body feel, especially talking to people while in motion, coaching or ahem escorting, and listening to the plethora of body sound between normal naural beats of communications

Edited January 8, 2010 by Spectrum

[Old Man Contradiction]

I shouldnt really bother to answering this.I just do it so others dont listen to your lack of knowledge.

You have no clue what meditation is do you?

It is a common fact that meditation is more or less the only way to enlightenment,if that is far enough.

When i say it is the most secure way i mean ,if you stop yor mind you will generate chi that is for sure.like a natural law.So you know what to do,it just takes practice.

There is also different kind of breathing exercises,like dan tien breathing condensing breathing etc ...

Problem is people can spend a lot of time on this without results,it depends on how open their energy channels are.

zhang zhuan is also a method,but the energy you generate is nothing compared to deep meditation.but it is a very good thing in combination with meditation

 

Becoming enlightened is a little harder than just meditating. It's still simple though, and not that I speak from experience. Enlightenment can also happen to people who don't meditate too.

 

The mind cannot reach it's fullest potential if it's body does not move. I believe in meditation, but I don't necessarily believe in separating meditation, qigong, and the martial arts.

 

From what I've gathered, and this is subject to change, I think that high level internal martial arts should basically be samyama as according to the sutras of patanjali. Not only that, but also asana and pranayama. This is a recent theory, but I've seen many exact descriptions of yichuan practice that are synonymous with descriptions of samyama.

[Spectrum]

By slowing and elongating the breathing cycle the mind slows with it

 

examining the transition points between inhale and exhale produces subjective repeatable results

 

observing breath as a whole ; as two parts of whole; and four parts;

 

same whole; paradiddle fiddling w lifes little dealings of common cents defence

 

elongating transition points opens a clear psychOphysical window of opportunity

 

clear thought is rewarded flight regarded and fear faced without time to think

 

each trip is differnt pack light you can only take what's with you

 

You can not think but feel it was there all along now feel the thoughts

Edited January 10, 2010 by Spectrum

[Birch]

In response to Craig's above post in the The Banning of Herbal Remedies throughout Europe thread, I wouldn't put it past any government to restrict anything. Folks, it appears to me that it is more imperative than ever to learn how to increase/balance/manipulate qi.

 

Highlighting a couple of Ya Mu's post from earlier in this thread:

 

 

Yes I had a similar thought a while back. I figured needle-less acupuncture would be a good response. And for sure, the herbs themselves have very specific patterns (I've been pondering this one as well) that "fit" with whatever needs to be done, so in theory, all you'd need to do would be to "reproduce" the herb via qigong. But can people do that? There was another neat TaoMeow post about the learnings of herbs and their consequent effects on people. And what if the herb doesn't want to? Sounds like a stupid idea, perhaps...

Edited May 3, 2011 by -K-

[Birch]

Interesting thought Kate. And what if the herb simply reproduces a qi effect, available via qigong/neigong/shengong?

 

Well I suppose that's what it's doing :-)

 

My sort of take so far is that it "completes" the qi "circuit" "flow" where and in the order required but because it's not "you" it doesn't get in your own way. I'm sort of rambling on this one :-) Sharing some ideas I've had. I also figure it's a sort of a "sacrifice" for the herb because usually, the result of the herb's "action" would contribute to its life (or it's offspring) because the "action" would be in it's natural environment.

 

But here we have picked it out of there and applied it's properties to help a person. Unless the person gives back in some way? I dunno, I figure it must have been easier when people lived beside herbs I often get an image of a dog eating grass when it come to this stuff. How does the dog know about eating grass???

 

But, more seriously, perhaps "people problems" are best resolved by "people-medecine" and not anything else?

[Birch]

Actually telepathy and telekinesis are under-rated in the West. The terms are bandied about but the actual skill is very rare. Sure there are "synchronicities" and there's "intuition." I mean I regularly get thoughts of events which occur to me a few minutes before they happen in real time. That might be considered precognition. But once I had a dream which was so vivid I immediately wrote it down in detail while writing I thought it would predict the future. Sure enough, long after I forgot the dream, THREE YEARS LATER -- the dream came true in minute detail -- and such strange associations there's no way it was a coincidence.

 

Anyway real telepathy -- at a stabilized level -- only happens where there's very strong electromagnetic fields emanating from the middle of the brain -- the pineal gland. So when you have telepathy you exist within this field of energy which is really strong. People around you will be reacting strongly to your energy -- there's no way you can have this without making people be strongly affected -- because the electromagnetic fields are healing as well. I had telepathy and telekinesis after I did the 8 day fast taking only half a glass of water.

 

Precognition is a samadhi vision -- so if you have a dream that is more real than being awake and then a few days later the dream is experienced in "real time" while being awake -- I call this "Glitches in the Matrix." It's a freaky experience because you realize that being awake is actually just another dream state. Still it takes practice to know when it has happened in real time -- when you've had a vision of the future. Even if you don't know that it will happen in the future when it DOES happen then it's not new so you can react much more calmly. Pretty nice. So the vision can be in deep meditation or in an visionary dream.

 

The question is -- why does it happen? Is our life predetermined? How could minute details of our life be predicted three years in advance? The answer is that the ability to have precognition -- to travel in time into the future -- is based on the ability to delve very very deeply into our subconscious desires. Think of it in reverse -- it's easy to see how we've grown or learned from the past -- how something happened that we didn't understand and then only later we figured it out. So we've changed but in fact our future was SUBCONSCIOUSLY the means to solve our past. So in meditation we are solving our future -- ahead of time so to speak. It doesn't mean our future will be different necessarily but it does mean that when the future does happen it will have "double" impact -- it will reinforce the fact that the truth is neither the past nor the future, rather instead the "always already" -- the infinite consciousness beyond time.

 

I went digging back into this thread and figured the last paragraph was of interest to me. Might be to some other folks :-)