question about nonduality and sex

[Old Man Contradiction]

My view of sex is possibly clouded by my desire for the experience of it. What is the truth that you've realized in regards to sex? I know my body desires it, my mind wants it, and my deeper truth seems unaffected by it. My mate's body/mind loves it too, so what is it about sex that is not true in some cases? Is it when the ego co-opts the experience for it's sense of self? When the ego desires the idea of sex, more than the experience?

 

What have you discovered?

 

ps. I am now leaning towards sex is good if it is fully experienced, moment by moment and only for the moment. If you are fully present for your partner.

[CarsonZi]

Namaste Old Man Contradiction....great question!

 

For me, the motivation behind having sex is what has changed.

 

I used to want to engage because it felt physically good, because it was a good way to connect to my wife (or other partners before I was married), and because a well-sexed individual is usually happier then someone who is searching for sex.

 

Now, I engage because I love my wife more then I can express and this is a wonderful way of sharing myself with her and herself with me....the physical aspect is totally secondary now. Also it has now become a "union" of energies that expands my awareness to new levels that I had never experienced before. To me sex is now an integral part of my yoga practices. It is not an activity engaged in purely for the fun/pleasure of it (although there is a great deal of both still involved) but because of the spiritual connection derived from it.

 

I should mention that my wife is not a "yogini" persay and does not actively practice yoga or tantric sex. But that doesn't really make much of a difference to me or her. Our sex life has dramatically changed for the better since I started practicing Tantric Yoga (both right and left hand practices).

 

Sex IME is not necessarily an obstacle, but is instead a tool.....it can be used wisely or not. How you use it is up to you. Demonizing ANYTHING is never productive....there are no absolutes. My opinion, nothing more. Thanks for starting an awesome thread...I think this is an important topic.

 

Love,

Carson

Edited September 9, 2009 by CarsonZi

[Luca]

When i started to meditate and doing Qigong i tried to stop masturbating and it was very hard in the beginning. After 2 or 3 days i always failed because my desire for stimulation was too strong but once i really started to stop thinking about sex, looking at porn or other such things, the desire went away. So yeah sex or masturbation might feel great but to have myself under control feels even better so since 3 or 4 months i didn't think about sex so much. Before i had to search for porn in the net at least every second day so i'm glad to be kind of free from that now, but thats just how it works for me and i'm fine with it.

[Unconditioned]

My view of sex is possibly clouded by my desire for the experience of it. What is the truth that you've realized in regards to sex? I know my body desires it, my mind wants it, and my deeper truth seems unaffected by it. My mate's body/mind loves it too, so what is it about sex that is not true in some cases? Is it when the ego co-opts the experience for it's sense of self? When the ego desires the idea of sex, more than the experience?

 

What have you discovered?

 

ps. I am now leaning towards sex is good if it is fully experienced, moment by moment and only for the moment. If you are fully present for your partner.

 

What is wrong with the desire for the experience? That is there, isn't it? We're human, it's in our nature to want to proliferate.

 

I agree with Carson on the point extremes. If we create an idea of "No we shouldn't! It's bad!" or "We should indulge whenever we want to, who cares!" I think the outcomes of those ideas can be harmful to spiritual practice (whatever that may be for you).

 

In regards to celibacy as a spiritual tool, I have not tried that so I can't comment on my experiences in that regard.

 

Bottom line, anything can become an addiction (pull/greed) or a demon (push/fear). But I liken it to technology: it can serve any purpose we give it however the act itself is neither good nor bad. It is only good or bad in context of something else (spiritual practice, religion, ethics, etc.)

 

Just my 2c.

[Old Man Contradiction]

Carson

 

great post Carson! you're talking from experience and what you say rings true to me.

 

i'm glad to be kind of free from that now, but thats just how it works for me and i'm fine with it.

 

Yes, I notice on even a day-to-day basis that if I work really hard earlier in the day doing standing practice, conditioning and taiji form that my body doesn't have the desire. Sometimes even then my mind will try to start convincing me with thoughts and feelings, but it's almost become a natural process for me to see these thoughts and feelings as they are, and recognize that I'm at peace without them and that I don't really want to masturbate, watch porn, etc...

 

I just realized that letting go of any state of mind, and Being in my inner body while experiencing her self will let a deeper truthful place reveal itself.

[JustARandomPanda]

Well my sexuality - particularly the emotions tied into it - are messed up so I'm busy trying to repair it. I'm hopeful the things I'm doing in KAP like Secret Smile, belly breathing, chi elemental walks, MCO, vocal toning to physically rumble each chakra and Kan & Li will use my body to help re-enforce the repair work I'm trying to do around the whole subject in my mind.

 

There is one practice I've added that is not in KAP but I don't think my teacher Tao would be against it. Since sexual energy is the original powerhouse of all the other kinds of energy it made sense to me to work on it like an exercise or weightlifting regimen.

 

So I do a minimum at least one full hour of Perineum Pumps per day. Boy...talk about getting you crazy horny after that!! But I just follow up with a lot of MCO and now I've added the Little Orbit to boot. That seems to help redirect and transmute the energy.

Edited September 9, 2009 by SereneBlue

[voidisyinyang]

That's hilarious. I had noticed this nondualism thread but hadn't read it and then I was just rereading an old article I had forgotten about -- that I wrote -- then I switched back here and noticed that this was about nondualism and sex --

 

the SAME subject as my article:

 

http://www.mind-energy.net/archives/283-Gu...-Amplifier.html

[Old Man Contradiction]

What is wrong with the desire for the experience? That is there, isn't it? We're human, it's in our nature to want to proliferate.

 

I agree with Carson on the point extremes. If we create an idea of "No we shouldn't! It's bad!" or "We should indulge whenever we want to, who cares!" I think the outcomes of those ideas can be harmful to spiritual practice (whatever that may be for you).

 

I don't think the question is what is wrong with the desire for the experience. I think it's more a question of are you looking at your experience with honesty and sincerity. My desire for the experience is sometimes based on habit and conditioning, which is neutral in and of itself, it just doesn't hold up so good next to the standard of "is it true?". Can I be fully awakened from my dysfunctional mind structure, which is neutral but creates a lot of pain, and still desire porn or superficial sex?

[Pax]

It's been a fascinating journey to watch the changes in my approach to sex over the years. In my narcissistic 20's it was all about quantity, as I aged and moved into a long term partnership it morphed into something else, something more focused. Now with us both around 50 and both post menopausal, sex has become languorous and more gentle, the focus on being together rather than getting off.

[Old Man Contradiction]

Well my sexuality - particularly the emotions tied into it - are messed up so I'm busy trying to repair it.

 

....

 

So I do a minimum at least one full hour of Perineum Pumps per day

 

 

You may or may not resonate with Eckhart Tolle or Adyashanti (and I've heard Barry Long is good), but these teachers have helped me start the process of repair on a day-to-day, second-by-second, thought-to-thought basis. Very practical for me.

 

and I just have to say that an hour of perineum work is pure willpower. I do like 100-200 quick contractions, and 2mins of a hold and that feels like a lot of exercise for that muscle at least.

 

If I remember correctly KAP has an element of grounding, so my book knowledge of energy arts would say you are fine to practice what you do.

[Unconditioned]

I don't think the question is what is wrong with the desire for the experience. I think it's more a question of are you looking at your experience with honesty and sincerity. My desire for the experience is sometimes based on habit and conditioning, which is neutral in and of itself, it just doesn't hold up so good next to the standard of "is it true?". Can I be fully awakened from my dysfunctional mind structure, which is neutral but creates a lot of pain, and still desire porn or superficial sex?

 

You are aware that your experience is based on habit and conditioning - this is truth as you've said and is neutral.

 

But I think I have the same question you do... and in addition:

 

Can we be separate from our conditioning which is the basis for the desire?

Can we recondition ourselves consciously through increased awareness?

If we see superficial sex, or any habit that causes us pain, in a different light can that help us be free from it or are we exchanging one prison for another?

 

Hmm.

[Old Man Contradiction]

he focus on being together rather than getting off.

 

that's really cool. I've experienced this or something similar, but it's rare. Thank you for showing something that we can all focus on appreciating.

[Old Man Contradiction]

You are aware that your experience is based on habit and conditioning - this is truth as you've said and is neutral.

 

But I think I have the same question you do... and in addition:

 

Can we be separate from our conditioning which is the basis for the desire?

Can we recondition ourselves consciously through increased awareness?

If we see superficial sex, or any habit that causes us pain, in a different light can that help us be free from it or are we exchanging one prison for another?

 

Hmm.

 

Maybe it is about dismantling your self until you are the dynamics of a centerless, moment to moment existence? Until you are not a person, but a moment.

 

If your focus became so incredibly absorbed by the walls and contents of the room you were in, every sound occuring, and the feeling of every cell in this body (which is just another object in the room), so absorbed by all this that you consciously became all of these things without a sense of separated self... where would sex be?

Edited September 9, 2009 by Old Man Contradiction

[Unconditioned]

Maybe it is about dismantling your self until you are the dynamics of a centerless, moment to moment existence? Until you are not a person, but a moment.

 

If your focus became so incredibly absorbed by the walls and contents of the room you were in, every sound occuring, and the feeling of every cell in this body (which is just another object in the room), so absorbed by all this that you consciously became all of these things without a sense of separated self... where would sex be?

 

Yes.. I think you're onto something... seems to come back to awareness. To be awareness itself, seems to free the identification with the conditioning... seems to remove any separations at all...

 

So that said, how do we shift from identification to 'absorption'? What causes the shift? Is it merely paying complete attention to everything at once (which is not as easy as it might sound, at least for me)?

[CarsonZi]

So that said, how do we shift from identification to 'absorption'? What causes the shift?

 

You gradually make the shift with the aid of daily meditation to connect to the inner silent core. A daily meditation practice will get you in touch with your inner silence and over time this Silence will start to leak out into your daily life giving you SPACE to react how you choose and not how you would instinctually. Eventually you will be fully absorbed in Silence and the world is your oyster so to speak

 

Love,

Carson

[Old Man Contradiction]

I've heard it said that "the outer is a reflection of the inner". So silence reflected into the world is probably awareness. Focusing 100% on the outside world (including body) also creates an inner silence. These are mutual.

 

It is not easy for me to focus on everything on the outside either, but like everything else I take it one step at a time, usually starting with my body. I can't even be aware of every limb and all of my internal energy at one time without spending like five minutes on it. But that used to be 10 minutes. Once my body is my natural home, i'll start paying attention to more and more sounds, and more and more sights until total attention is just easy and natural.

[Creation]

So I do a minimum at least one full hour of Perineum Pumps per day.

This may very well be something you need to do at this point in time, but I would caution against doing this long term. Exercising any muscle a disproportionate amount is unbalanced.

 

Moreover (while I'm presuming to give advice...), if you work a muscle a lot you should also work on relaxing that muscle a lot. Otherwise you can start storing tension. Perhaps a good amount of B.K. Frantzis style breathing (no breath holding, using minimal muscular force to breathe, relaxing more and more with each breath) with special emphasis on breathing into the pelvic floor region would be appropriate? Since you said you follow it up with MCO, I should mention that the pelvic floor breathing (which he leaves out of his instructional materials for some reason) plus the lower and upper back breathing really get the chi going in the governor channel.

 

Best wishes,

Tyler

[JustARandomPanda]

Since you said you follow it up with MCO, I should mention that the pelvic floor breathing (which he leaves out of his instructional materials for some reason) plus the lower and upper back breathing really get the chi going in the governor channel.

 

 

What is

 

1. Pelvic floor breathing (and how is it done)?

2. Lower and upper back breathing (and how is it done)?

 

 

I will work on relaxing it as well but I suspect most people get far more workout from their Perineum than I do simply by having sex one or more times a week (even more so if you include self-play sessions).

Edited September 10, 2009 by SereneBlue

[freeform]

Cool thread!

 

Awareness and where it is and how it works is very important... any sensitive person will be able to feel where your attention is when they're open during sex...

 

Try having sex with all your attention on thoughts - thoughts about performance, is she enjoying this, am I doing this right, what if I do this, when should I do that, I wish she would do x etc etc... Any time I've had sex in this mode, I've been profoundly unsatisfied and so has my partner...

 

Try having sex with your attention focused between your perineum and belly button, and allow the feeling to over-take you. It's like you're channelling an inner part of you that is seldom allowed out. For a man it's like letting the deep, primal part of ourselves take control... the sex is passionate, dominant, filled with primal emotional energies... The masculine is explosive, outwards centred - the passion is directed out at the partner... The feminine is receptive, implosive attention is inwardly directed... There is no thought, no holding back or second guessing... This can be very exhilarating and satisfying (temporarily) and can cause powerful explosive orgasms.

 

Then when your attention is heated, lubricated and flowing in the belly area bring it up to the heart area... Here it's more about love, connection and deep intimacy. It's slower, less fiery, less polarised and dominant... It's more about sensations, feelings and connection than 'action'. Awareness is 'simultaneous' both inside and outside... the physical act becomes just an expression of the loving connection between the two partners. There's less friction, less tension, but much more openness, vulnerability and intimacy... you're not building up to one huge climax like before but flowing freely up and down enjoying the bliss of connection...

 

Next is mind to mind sex - not something that can really be explained. It doesn't even need to have a physical element to it. It can be done over distance... Energy is between heart and above your head (where your hands would meet if you clasped them overhead)... It's much more subtle, but very much more powerful... I've only experienced this a couple of times...

 

Each of these ways is important and needs to be experienced... It can also be mixed and matched... if let's say the man is more open in the primal area and the woman in the heart - the man can ignite the fire and the woman can direct all the energy he's pouring out through her heart, helping the man open up his own heart and loving connection. Sex can and should be used for self discovery - it's a very powerful tool.

[JustARandomPanda]

Next is mind to mind sex - not something that can really be explained. It doesn't even need to have a physical element to it. It can be done over distance... Energy is between heart and above your head (where your hands would meet if you clasped them overhead)... It's much more subtle, but very much more powerful... I've only experienced this a couple of times...

 

Are you are talking about the "O's at a D" Drew is so fond of? If not, is there a way to have this be the starting point instead of near the end? Is there a link or article anywhere that can teach this mind to mind sex?

[voidisyinyang]

The only other description of the "O at a D" that I discovered is in Colin Wilson's book "The Occult" -- about Gurdjieff. The female reports that her sex chakra was activated -- she had a climax -- after she and Gurdjieff made eye contact for a staring session in a restaurant, while Gurdjieff did deep breathing, on the other side of the room. Colin Wilson points out that Aleister Crowley could not do this yet Crowley is considered the master of sex and the superstar of the Western occult scene -- in fact Gurdjieff knew that Crowley was a big fake. haha. Just goes to show how mislead Westerners are about paranormal abilities.

 

I typically have half a dozen O at a Ds a day -- the thing is that I can't eat food anymore! This is called "bigu" in Taoism and Gurdjieff hardly ate food as well. Food though does turn into sex energy -- generative force -- which is the heat in the belly and then when ionized through the small universe practice creates the brain bliss. The vagus nerve tranduces the bliss -- serotonin -- into the brain but the vagus nerve ALSO transduces anaerobic bacteria (the shit smell). haha. So this ability is adapted for famine conditions -- the Bushmen would regularly go on long water fasts while they hunted.

 

It works through the vagus nerve -- once I saw a female coworker who always crosses her legs and bounces them -- and while doing so the right side of her neck was pulsating. That's the vagus nerve climax -- it's exactly the same as what happens with me, only that because of the small universe training the hormones are transduced into electromagnetic fields and shot out of the pineal gland.

 

If I eat meat then I have more sex energy and can more easily give O at a Ds to females. There's several ways the energy flows -- the jing is female electrochemical energy while the female sucks up the male electromagnetic energy via the sex organs and the eyes. So if a female senses my electromagnetic energy then there is immediate attraction -- it depends on the female if the attraction is subconscious or if they act on it. Either way there is then display behavior -- since we're primates -- it's instinctual -- displaying the backside in order to suck up the electromagnetic energy. Professor Robert Sapolsky's books on testosterone and primate behavior has a lot on "backside displays." haha. Or flexing the chest so that the breasts suck up the electromagnetic energy. Spread-eagle is another option and eye contact as well. The female will very precisely position herself -- with laser precision -- so that my third eye energy shot out of my eyes goes into those electrochemical energy points on her body. I've had verbal confirmation from strangers as well but that's rare -- usually it's expressed indirectly. A prostitute did a livid backside disply in my face at Taco Bell and then when her pimp showed up with a client she exclaimed I'm "cuming already!" A homeless Native American did lap dances to my full-lotus on the sidewalk and later sat next to me in McDonald's stating over and over "Do you know what you're doing to me?" A young college female in the next booth of an anarchist cafe told her newly arrived friends that I was "orgasmic." And so on.

 

In the meantime the full-lotus sucks up the female electrochemical energy. Everyone has this female electrochemical energy but males are focused on sublimating it into electromagnetic energy -- I think for hunting skills (or a 9 to 5 job). Females can do this as well but the loss of iron I think affects the electromagnetic energy. Males do not realize that what causes females to be attracted to them is the electromagnetic energy. This is the secret connection between sex and love and it's totally unknown to modern humans! So if a male is fixated on ejaculation his own electromagnetic energy is stuck in his lower chakra -- with a quick recycling time -- constant deconversion into electrochemical bliss and then loss as physical fluid. The full-lotus will also suck up the male's electrochemical female energy and then shoot back electromagnetic energy -- but since the male does not know how to have the internal climax via the sublimated vagus nerve there is no psychic mutual climax. I might climax on my own if the male needs more than one "cum shot of chi" -- if the male is really old and sick or if the male is a perv and is therefore spent -- but once the male is charged up with electromagnetic energy there is no orgasm. It depends -- if they are a perv intentionally trying to suck me off so they can ejaculate then the male will need to run to the bathroom to jerk off. Yes it's happened! haha. Usually though the male will just feel energized. For the female though there is a continuous build-up of free energy -- climax after climax, each one more intense -- opening up the heart chakra more and more.

 

Since I don't have a "tantric" partner there is a limit to this in public but the O at a Ds are cumulative -- so that after time there is an immediate heart connection when the energy exchange occurs. This is a real love experience with the following "broken heart" experience when separation occurs. It can happen through walls, ceilings, or long distance visual contact. I've even had PRECOGNITIVE O at a Ds! First in my dream and then a few days later in real life -- it was this girl in an imported food store. I was in there to buy garlic and parsley and she came in with her mom and as soon as she sensed the electromagnetic energy she started dancing around in front of me. I wasn't in full-lotus so there probably wasn't a psychic mutual climax but there might have been since I've had them just through reverse-breathing. But again this is limited in public. In other words even the overexcitement of love is still just an emotion with its ups and downs -- until finally the heart energy builds up in electromagnetic force to open the pineal gland via the shen or light energy.

 

The light shen energy is considered the "real Kundalini awakening" -- and the person goes into a fast for a week -- with no water even (I had half a glass) and the body converts to electromagnetic fields so that the hands and feet pulsate in their center energy points. The top of the skull gets soft like a baby -- the fissure opening up -- water is produced from the atmosphere so that the brain produces water through electromagnetic reversal of hydrogen and oxygen.

 

The voice is the expression of the generative force female electrochemical jing energy. Normally I don't have a deep voice -- physically I'm something of a runt. 5 11 in height but I had 24 rabie vaccine shots in my stomach when I was 2 years old and so my development was stunted just a bit. Also I was vegetarian -- eating tons of tofu -- for 10 years or so before the qigong training. But when I take in the female electrochemical energy -- after a good O at a D session, then my voice is really deep. This is because the female releases testosterone at climax and this is sucked up from the full-lotus. It's transduced by the vagus nerve going up to the brain, making the voice deep. Also phone healings are really effective because you are working through the voice -- energy exchange over the internet is not as easy but I have had several O at a Ds with females on the internet. This is because the electrochemical energy of the female is imprinted and can be picked up via the pineal gland and then I can convert that female energy back into MORE electromagnetic energy which I then transmit back to the female.

 

You might want to try eating meat to increase your sex energy. After I take in lots of female electrochemical sex energy as jing I have to convert it to electromagnetic chi or else at night it will deconvert to be lost as physical fluid. Also after I collect female electrochemical energy (the Bushmen called it the N/um) then I almost always undergo what I call PERV ATTACK -- seedy males looking to ejaculate will STALK ME! For example when you see males crossing their legs and pumping hard it's an attempt to suck off female electrochemical energy but to use it for their own ejaculation -- they don't know how to sublimate and ionize the energy to create pineal gland electromagnetic light energy for healing. I once had a female blatantly stare at me from less than 10 feet away while she crossed and pumped her legs frantically in an attempt to suck me off. I was not in full-lotus -- if I had been we would of had a psychic mutual climax. Her daughter was with her and was embarrassed for her mom! But the mom was "white trash" meaning that she, herself, was constantly surrounded by male pervs constantly sucking her off -- so she in turn has to resort to sucking males off. haha. I've had this from other females at work -- pumping while staring into my eyes. Staring at my penis. haha. Making crazy sex sounds or just running up to me to get close for quicker transmission. Young girls have "attacked" me in public -- that's why I had to start sitting in full-lotus in public as pre-emptive defense against being sucked off.

 

That's why the O at a D is so rare and the more powerful qigong masters work with LIGHT SHEN healing. Chi is made up of the three -- electrochemical jing and electromagnetic chi and light shen. Light is holographic laser energy. You might want to get a phone healing from Chunyi Lin or Jim Nance http://springforestqigong.com and then you'll experience the laser-love initiation directly.

Edited September 10, 2009 by drewhempel

[Creation]

What is

 

1. Pelvic floor breathing (and how is it done)?

2. Lower and upper back breathing (and how is it done)?

I will work on relaxing it as well but I suspect most people get far more workout from their Perineum than I do simply by having sex one or more times a week (even more so if you include self-play sessions).

Didn't you said you did the practices in Opening the Energy Gates and Relaxing Into Your Being at some point? I'm talking about "Taoist Internal Breathing" aka "Longevity Breathing".

 

Clff's notes:

 

As you relax into correct alignment and as your fascia begins to loosen up, a lot of different areas of your torso begin moving with the breath. Especially if you keep the chest still. First (the one everyone knows) the belly moves forward and backward, but also the sides move out and in, the lower back moves backward and forward, the upper chest around the clavicle moves up and down, and the upper back moves backward and forward (shoulders must be relaxed and open). Roughly in that order of difficulty.

 

So you want to consciously try to get these areas to move when you breathe. But it won't work well if your fascia is tight. Doing it while stretching can really help loosen up the fascia more that the force of breath on its own. Try self massage too.

 

Now, B.K. doesn't mention this in his materials, but the pelvic floor also moves with the breath. Tao Semko wrote an article you may want to look into here:

http://www.umaatantra.com/tantra_articles/...low_051004.html

 

When done properly each breath stimulates the dan tien, belt channel, and microcosmic orbit.

Edited September 10, 2009 by Creation

[markern]

What is

 

1. Pelvic floor breathing (and how is it done)?

2. Lower and upper back breathing (and how is it done)?

I will work on relaxing it as well but I suspect most people get far more workout from their Perineum than I do simply by having sex one or more times a week (even more so if you include self-play sessions).

 

Still one hour is a huuuge pelvic practice. For sexual healing I think realaxion and disolving tension is much more important in the begining than a hardcore muscular strengthening practice. The risk of creating a lot of more tension in the are is quite large I think. It is also important not to try to "force" the region to start acting the way one wants it to act through exercises but to open to its wishes and relax and be very patient. Often when there is sexual problems the upper centers have been allowed to rule and "bully" the lower center too much and the lower centers have contracted and given are "hidding" by turning the sexuality off. What is needed then is a lot of nurturing attention. Accupressure and massage to dissolve tension and get the energy in the area flowing I think is great. Belly breathing as well. The deer exercise, although including a pelvic contraction (one needs some pc work anyway), I also think is great because a lot of it is quite gentle energetic work that at least for me seems to do a lot of good. I would rather triple the female deer exercises or something than a do too much pc stuff.

 

The pc exercises can also be done in ways that are more fun and more sensual sort of. I think that is important for preventing tension etc. because one is then not so mechanical and forcefull. By mastrbating with something inside (a jade egg, a vibrator etc.) one can get a lot of pleasure from pressing it during. A jade egg can be playfully moved around to ones own enjoyment etc.

 

All of this is advice I am terrible at following myself by the way.

[gendao]

The only other description of the "O at a D" that I discovered is in Colin Wilson's book "The Occult" -- about Gurdjieff. The female reports that her sex chakra was activated -- she had a climax -- after she and Gurdjieff made eye contact for a staring session in a restaurant, while Gurdjieff did deep breathing, on the other side of the room. Colin Wilson points out that Aleister Crowley could not do this yet Crowley is considered the master of sex and the superstar of the Western occult scene -- in fact Gurdjieff knew that Crowley was a big fake. haha. Just goes to show how mislead Westerners are about paranormal abilities.

 

I typically have half a dozen O at a Ds a day -- the thing is that I can't eat food anymore! This is called "bigu" in Taoism and Gurdjieff hardly ate food as well. Food though does turn into sex energy -- generative force -- which is the heat in the belly and then when ionized through the small universe practice creates the brain bliss. The vagus nerve tranduces the bliss -- serotonin -- into the brain but the vagus nerve ALSO transduces anaerobic bacteria (the shit smell). haha. So this ability is adapted for famine conditions -- the Bushmen would regularly go on long water fasts while they hunted.

 

It works through the vagus nerve -- once I saw a female coworker who always crosses her legs and bounces them -- and while doing so the right side of her neck was pulsating. That's the vagus nerve climax -- it's exactly the same as what happens with me, only that because of the small universe training the hormones are transduced into electromagnetic fields and shot out of the pineal gland.

 

If I eat meat then I have more sex energy and can more easily give O at a Ds to females. There's several ways the energy flows -- the jing is female electrochemical energy while the female sucks up the male electromagnetic energy via the sex organs and the eyes. So if a female senses my electromagnetic energy then there is immediate attraction -- it depends on the female if the attraction is subconscious or if they act on it. Either way there is then display behavior -- since we're primates -- it's instinctual -- displaying the backside in order to suck up the electromagnetic energy. Professor Robert Sapolsky's books on testosterone and primate behavior has a lot on "backside displays." haha. Or flexing the chest so that the breasts suck up the electromagnetic energy. Spread-eagle is another option and eye contact as well. The female will very precisely position herself -- with laser precision -- so that my third eye energy shot out of my eyes goes into those electrochemical energy points on her body. I've had verbal confirmation from strangers as well but that's rare -- usually it's expressed indirectly. A prostitute did a livid backside disply in my face at Taco Bell and then when her pimp showed up with a client she exclaimed I'm "cuming already!" A homeless Native American did lap dances to my full-lotus on the sidewalk and later sat next to me in McDonald's stating over and over "Do you know what you're doing to me?" A young college female in the next booth of an anarchist cafe told her newly arrived friends that I was "orgasmic." And so on.

 

In the meantime the full-lotus sucks up the female electrochemical energy. Everyone has this female electrochemical energy but males are focused on sublimating it into electromagnetic energy -- I think for hunting skills (or a 9 to 5 job). Females can do this as well but the loss of iron I think affects the electromagnetic energy. Males do not realize that what causes females to be attracted to them is the electromagnetic energy. This is the secret connection between sex and love and it's totally unknown to modern humans! So if a male is fixated on ejaculation his own electromagnetic energy is stuck in his lower chakra -- with a quick recycling time -- constant deconversion into electrochemical bliss and then loss as physical fluid. The full-lotus will also suck up the male's electrochemical female energy and then shoot back electromagnetic energy -- but since the male does not know how to have the internal climax via the sublimated vagus nerve there is no psychic mutual climax. I might climax on my own if the male needs more than one "cum shot of chi" -- if the male is really old and sick or if the male is a perv and is therefore spent -- but once the male is charged up with electromagnetic energy there is no orgasm. It depends -- if they are a perv intentionally trying to suck me off so they can ejaculate then the male will need to run to the bathroom to jerk off. Yes it's happened! haha. Usually though the male will just feel energized. For the female though there is a continuous build-up of free energy -- climax after climax, each one more intense -- opening up the heart chakra more and more.

 

Since I don't have a "tantric" partner there is a limit to this in public but the O at a Ds are cumulative -- so that after time there is an immediate heart connection when the energy exchange occurs. This is a real love experience with the following "broken heart" experience when separation occurs. It can happen through walls, ceilings, or long distance visual contact. I've even had PRECOGNITIVE O at a Ds! First in my dream and then a few days later in real life -- it was this girl in an imported food store. I was in there to buy garlic and parsley and she came in with her mom and as soon as she sensed the electromagnetic energy she started dancing around in front of me. I wasn't in full-lotus so there probably wasn't a psychic mutual climax but there might have been since I've had them just through reverse-breathing. But again this is limited in public. In other words even the overexcitement of love is still just an emotion with its ups and downs -- until finally the heart energy builds up in electromagnetic force to open the pineal gland via the shen or light energy.

 

The light shen energy is considered the "real Kundalini awakening" -- and the person goes into a fast for a week -- with no water even (I had half a glass) and the body converts to electromagnetic fields so that the hands and feet pulsate in their center energy points. The top of the skull gets soft like a baby -- the fissure opening up -- water is produced from the atmosphere so that the brain produces water through electromagnetic reversal of hydrogen and oxygen.

 

The voice is the expression of the generative force female electrochemical jing energy. Normally I don't have a deep voice -- physically I'm something of a runt. 5 11 in height but I had 24 rabie vaccine shots in my stomach when I was 2 years old and so my development was stunted just a bit. Also I was vegetarian -- eating tons of tofu -- for 10 years or so before the qigong training. But when I take in the female electrochemical energy -- after a good O at a D session, then my voice is really deep. This is because the female releases testosterone at climax and this is sucked up from the full-lotus. It's transduced by the vagus nerve going up to the brain, making the voice deep. Also phone healings are really effective because you are working through the voice -- energy exchange over the internet is not as easy but I have had several O at a Ds with females on the internet. This is because the electrochemical energy of the female is imprinted and can be picked up via the pineal gland and then I can convert that female energy back into MORE electromagnetic energy which I then transmit back to the female.

 

You might want to try eating meat to increase your sex energy. After I take in lots of female electrochemical sex energy as jing I have to convert it to electromagnetic chi or else at night it will deconvert to be lost as physical fluid. Also after I collect female electrochemical energy (the Bushmen called it the N/um) then I almost always undergo what I call PERV ATTACK -- seedy males looking to ejaculate will STALK ME! For example when you see males crossing their legs and pumping hard it's an attempt to suck off female electrochemical energy but to use it for their own ejaculation -- they don't know how to sublimate and ionize the energy to create pineal gland electromagnetic light energy for healing. I once had a female blatantly stare at me from less than 10 feet away while she crossed and pumped her legs frantically in an attempt to suck me off. I was not in full-lotus -- if I had been we would of had a psychic mutual climax. Her daughter was with her and was embarrassed for her mom! But the mom was "white trash" meaning that she, herself, was constantly surrounded by male pervs constantly sucking her off -- so she in turn has to resort to sucking males off. haha. I've had this from other females at work -- pumping while staring into my eyes. Staring at my penis. haha. Making crazy sex sounds or just running up to me to get close for quicker transmission. Young girls have "attacked" me in public -- that's why I had to start sitting in full-lotus in public as pre-emptive defense against being sucked off.

 

That's why the O at a D is so rare and the more powerful qigong masters work with LIGHT SHEN healing. Chi is made up of the three -- electrochemical jing and electromagnetic chi and light shen. Light is holographic laser energy. You might want to get a phone healing from Chunyi Lin or Jim Nance http://springforestqigong.com and then you'll experience the laser-love initiation directly.

LMFAO, I think that's the best line I've ever read on here..

 

Anyhow, can you clarify this male electromagnetic vs female electrochemical energy? So, the male produces energy electromagnetically (like electricity from an electromagnetic generator) and the female electrochemically (like electricity from a battery)? Are these energy forms still the same then (like electricity), just generated differently? Or are they also inherently different, like yin & yang qi?

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I read somewhere about the Buddha sitting and enjoying a beutifull flower and realy soaking up its beuty, realy immersing himself in the enjoyment of the flower. THen he had to go do something else and he could release himself from it very easily because he was not attatched to it. In other words enjoy but be non-attatched. I can not see why anything that does not harm yourself or anyone else should be seen differently. THe same rule of enjoy but be non-attatched should apply. It is always the same mechanism of atatchemnt that is the problem. Sex is just like the flower there is not something especialy evil about enjoying it compared to the flower. I am sure many florists are more attatched to the beuty of flowers than to sex. Anyway you do not get non-attatched to sex by forgetting about the whole thing or running away from it. Then you just become indifferent. For the time being that is. The craving tends to show up later on, sometimes decades later, and with a vengance. Better to get non-attatched now and that you do by being mindfull of it when you feel desire and deceide not to act on it and when you feel desire and act on it and during the act. The thing that could make sex problematic despite of all of this is if it energetically somehow works against the process of reaching enlightenment a long the lines of eating at mcdonals everyday or depleting you in some other way wasting your Jing etc. But as Santi wrote in another thread:

 

best way is ti MAKE LOVE for 3 to 6 hours as you do your kap training.

 

that will get you "there" much faster.

 

an hour of love making & sublimation "tantric style" aka kap 2 chakra pujas & Sex gung fu is like 8 hours of singular intense practice.