Zork

3 minutes ago, MegaMind said:

 

In a private forum, without any hostile members this is possible.

Then go there. And stay there since you do not wish to talk.

Scamgong by Dj W(estern)M(o)P(ai)!

Listen to this
Spy on me baby, use satellite
Infrared to see me move through the night
Aim, gonna fire shoot me right
I'm gonna like the way you fight
And I love the way you fight

Now you found the secret code I use
To wash away my lonely blues
(Well) so I can't deny or lie
'Cause you're the only one to make me fly

Scamgong, scamgong, you're a scamgong uh, huh
You can give it to me when I need to come along (give it to me)
Scamgong, scamgong, you're my scamgong
And baby you can turn me on (baby you can turn me on)
(You know what you're doing to me don't you, I know you do)

No, don't get me wrong ain't gonna do you no harm, no
This bomb's made for lovin' and you can shoot it far
I'm your main target come and help me ignite
Love struck holding you tight…

4 minutes ago, MegaMind said:

 

The experiences I am referring to are not ones that occur inside our minds as visions or visualizations, but rather externally.

Then you have it on tape?

Otherwise it is a delusion AKA scamgong.

Scamgong by Dj WMP!

Listen to this
Spy on me baby, use satellite
Infrared to see me move through the night
Aim, gonna fire shoot me right
I'm gonna like the way you fight
And I love the way you fight

Now you found the secret code I use
To wash away my lonely blues
(Well) so I can't deny or lie
'Cause you're the only one to make me fly

Scamgong, scamgong, you're a scamgong uh, huh
You can give it to me when I need to come along (give it to me)
Scamgong, scamgong, you're my scamgong
And baby you can turn me on (baby you can turn me on)
(You know what you're doing to me don't you, I know you do)

No, don't get me wrong ain't gonna do you no harm, no
This bomb's made for lovin' and you can shoot it far
I'm your main target come and help me ignite
Love struck holding you tight…

8 minutes ago, ilumairen said:

I caught this when you first presented the question, and was pretty sure he said they were atheists - implying (to me) through their practice they may become something else. 

It makes no sense. He talks about them being atheists and he then describes the WMPs as agnostics. If they believe in something else it is fine but he mentioned people being atheists so it begs the question what the motivation for people who don't believe in the spiritual dimension of mopai is.

8 minutes ago, ilumairen said:

Which then would raise the question of an egregore to me - further playing upon the riffs of Walker's comments regarding the protectors of the (actual) lineage, and ralis's comments regarding collective belief systems depending on which map for understanding one wishes to follow, or how they wish to map their own understanding of the little which has been presented. 

I think they are underestimating the egregore of the system they claim to be a branch of. They may have created their own in the process. Who knows?

2 hours ago, MegaMind said:

I needed a fictional country and Latveria was the first one to come to mind.

Then you are a crypto-fascist.

2 hours ago, MegaMind said:

This is not something that we experience internally, but rather externally.

 

This is not imagination or delusion.

Delusion it is then!

2 hours ago, MegaMind said:

No we really don't.

2 hours ago, MegaMind said:

If that were possible to do without lots of people who are not serious who would not follow instructions and precautions exactly and would blend the practices together with other ones and make themselves seriously ill, then we would.

You just proved you do have ulterior motives.

2 hours ago, MegaMind said:

"Now since you claim you are atheists"

 

Freethinkers base their beliefs off the best available evidence and their own direct observation.

 

It is possible to be a freethinker and not an atheist.

You claimed that you have atheists in your group. You are talking about agnostics not atheists. I did not ask you that.

14 hours ago, MegaMind said:

No, most of us were ourselves Atheists.

Are you crazy, schizophrenic or stupid? You said that you are atheists not me. So again:

Now since you claim you are atheists, answer a simple question: What is the goal of mopai if not to gain powers for an atheist?

14 minutes ago, ralis said:

The Middle East problem is complicated and goes back to 1907 with the Anglo-Russian Convention as well as the United States putting the Shah in power. The bottom line is a war for oil!

 

I usually don't rely on Wiki, but this is a place to start.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Russian_Convention

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'état

Operation Ajax was the reason Iran is at this terrible condition today.

3 hours ago, Taomeow said:

The Early Rat's whiskers are already here.  This is typical -- the foreshadowings of the new kind of qi starts streaming in ahead of the arrival of the main body. 

 

The Water of my life bows to the Fire that forged you, Steel Rat.  

If this is the foreshadowing of the new qi, i would rather pass but there is no choice.

2 hours ago, SirPalomides said:

Journalist Elijah Magnier- whom I find consistently well-informed and reliable on these matters- is saying the missile attacks were intended as symbolic. If they wanted to inflict serious casualties they could still do so quite easily. Iran’s foreign minister called it an act of self-defense and insisted that it was not intended as escalation. Trump is playing it down so far, which suggests he got the message.

It can escalate pretty quickly if Trump decides to bomb uranium enrichment facilities.

It remains to be seen if and when the Iranians will develop nuclear capabilities and most importantly what will happen if they do. (it basically comes down to either WW3 or permanent stalemate of nukes between Israel and Iran.)

The agreement that prevented the Iranians from enriching uranium is pretty much dead after the death of Soleimani.

27 minutes ago, Power Of Will13 said:

@Zork god bless that you don’t know what I know. I'm not here to measure our dicks. I am trying to figure out those things that remained incomprehensible to me. and I see you really have nothing to do @Zork @GSmaster @ralis @Earl Grey

4 hours ago, ralis said:

 

Trump brought this on without one thought of potential consequences!

What i am (and most of non-US citizens) concerned about isn't US troops on foreign soil but the consequences of a large scale missile attack on S.Arabia. If oil reaches 200$ a barrel that is an apocalypse in itself.

To all WMPs or wannabe Changs.

Watch the vid carefully.

Especially the part about the dangers of visualizing and the goal of qigong being to develop "gentle yi".

9 hours ago, Power Of Will13 said:

@Zork This is just your opinion ...

 

 

@Zork Your motive for me to become more clear - it is fear...

@Zork  Don't you think that karma is not a very scientific concept?

 

 

@Zork You need to understand the physiology of these processes.

@GSmaster Yes, you are a morale police.)))

 

@GSmaster you constantly humiliate them and I think they are not going to share their experience with you.

 

 

@GSmaster All people think differently. Therefore, anyone can understand how it works. But this requires a desire and intelligence, which in you so far I see less than @MegaMind

Mechanic: Somebody set up us the bomb.

Operator: Main screen turn on.

CATS: All your base are belong to us.

CATS: You have no chance to survive make your time.

Captain: Move 'ZIG'.

Captain: For great justice.

Man you have really no f*cking idea what you are talking about.

Go home. Play with your pet. Leave the thread for those who know.

9 hours ago, MegaMind said:

 

Latveria is a fictional country.

So is Wakanda, Xanadu, Shangri la etc

Why choose a country that in fiction is ruled by a dictator?

Can Latveria even be worse than the shithole that you live in?

3 hours ago, MegaMind said:

 

"Your so called method gives a uniform experience among all participants?"

 

Yes so far at least.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA then you are practicing scamgong!

What @ralis mentions is true. The experiences are NEVER uniform in qigong and neigong.

Practice even differs day by day or by the hour even when the same individual practices.

This means that you are imagining energies which bad and deluding yourselves in the process.

9 hours ago, MegaMind said:

Alas their motives aren't so noble."

 

We do not charge anyone anything or accept donations.

 

We believe if we could just get people to actually do the practice and see for themselves this would change our understanding of our world and our place in it.

 

This is huge deal, and it could change everything.

You just shot yourself on the foot.

If your goal is to entice people to try it out in a large scale then you should go public with all the info you have for free and let them try it.

You haven't done so and won't do ever, because you have ulterior motives!

Now since you claim you are atheists, answer a simple question: What is the goal of mopai if not to gain powers for an atheist?

@alfheim

@Power Of Will13

We would not be having this travesty of a "discussion" with WMPs if they were upfront about what they practice.

If Megamind said "We practice something that is very similar to John Chang's MoPai which is depicted in the videos. We haven't been able to replicate these feats but we have gained these___________________ from practicing the first levels and we would like people to practice it too, in order to see for themselves." then nobody would contest it. This point has been made by @Walker already but all mopai dismiss it because they have an agenda. That is what we oppose, the agenda of WMPs on this site.

Of course this won't happen ever because they are here for recruitment purposes and the admittance of them not having transmission or guidance would reduce their recruits.

So we get into silly situations where WMP idiots can't answer simple direct questions like

"Are you and members of your forum members of the Mopai lineage that John Chang of Indonesia belongs to? " John Chang wants nothing to do with these people and has not given anyone including Jim the permission to teach or even share MoPai secrets. Look at Walker's previous post about divine punishment.

"What are the phenomena which you have observed during practice?", I assume they aren't answering this because there are other practices that arrive there faster or more efficiently, which they have already rejected as "placebo"

"What is the goal of MoPai?", MoPai has an end goal related to reincarnation which will put off, all atheists or the scientifically minded who are the major recruitment pool for WMPs

"Which exercise of the 2 levels you have available is neigong in nature?". They can't answer because what they practice (first 2 levels) isn't Neikong but qigong like many other styles. But that wouldn't make them special like they fantasize. Nor will this answer attract others to their system.

@Power Of Will13

This is an old quote from a mopai thread. Read it carefully before you post more nonsense about science and RCT etc.

On 11/24/2015 at 6:30 PM, Brian said:

Color me crazy but I'm still waiting to see this oft-vaunted tangible scientific evidence. I mean, I know I'm just a kooky old-fashioned physicist in this regard but I still consider scientific evidence to involve data and I haven't seen any presented. What, exactly, did they measure? Voltage? Amperage? Charge? An electric field? A magnetic field? Electromagnetic radiation? Changes in impedance? Where are the numbers? Watts? Volts? Coulombs? Webers? Ohms? Anything??? Where is the presentation of hypothesis and method? Where're the predictive tests? How about a null hypothesis? Where are the charts, graphs and tables? Where is the error analysis?

 

As I've said many times, I take John Chang at face value and assume both him and the Mo Pai to be legitimate but NOT on any scientific basis, and I see no justification for claiming either that it has been scientifically verified or that it has any sort of exclusivity in this regard.

We have said things similar to the above many times.

There is no science accompanying these videos.

These videos are not proof of anything.

The presence of doctors or scientists doesn't add legitimacy to the video.

Just now, GSmaster said:

Are you a program written by someone?

i am sure that i made a comment a while ago about another WMP member not being able to pass the Turing test.

On 1/6/2020 at 5:55 AM, Hannes said:

I don't know what to think of this but it quickly seems to become a possibility.

Any people with anything to say about this? Please feel welcome.

Don't expect WW3 any time soon.

A war through proxies maybe.

We are not in the position of WW1 or WW2 with the immense militirisation of all involved parties. Yes military expenditure is climbing again but it is lower than the 90s and military capability of all possibly involved nations in a WW3 is severely diminished since the collapse of the soviet union. Only China has increased it's capabilities but they are still no match for US or Russian armies.

The US is in no position to attack Iran head on. Iran isn't Iraq. I am not saying that the US can't prevail, of course it can, but the death toll and materiel losses will be very different compared to any other operation it has mounted in recent history.

2 hours ago, Earl Grey said:

Brownies, “special brownies” for his pot habit too.

Yin chi infused?

4 hours ago, ralis said:

MegaMind has been reported. A number of us have tried to give him a chance for a reasonable discussion, but to no avail!

I have already done so when he likened my country to Latveria but Sean did nothing about it. I hope he hears you.

4 hours ago, Power Of Will13 said:

@Zork maybe you want to make RCT here? (randomized controlled trial)

Are you serious? The RCT should be done with a pool of people exhibiting Chang's abilities. How many of them do you know?

Even Chang won't cooperate.

4 hours ago, Power Of Will13 said:

@Earl Grey@Zork@GSmaster if so, this is an authoritative opinion. 🤷🏽‍♂️

No it isn't. It is a video. You have no idea what it records. JIm is the vessel that tells you what the video contains. You have no way to verify that whatever is depicted in the video is true except Jim's personal testimony.

4 hours ago, Power Of Will13 said:

@Walker@GSmaster@Zork  What's bad about it?

Nothing. Did you see us complaining about it anywhere? Alas their motives aren't so noble.

4 hours ago, Power Of Will13 said:

@Zork who seeks will always find.  they will find a solution and a path that is not likely to be shared with you.

what the hell are you talking about? They don't seek at all, that is why they haven't found anything. And i don't care what they eventually

find because they are creating bad karma and that will prevent them from learning any effective system.

3 hours ago, Power Of Will13 said:

This may not be the case if you do it right.  It is not related to cancer.

And how do you know this?

We have indications that MoPai causes cancer. Jim's trainees can't protect themselves from it. Nor can anyone else who has been trained by them.

6 minutes ago, alfheim said:

 

nvm

What?

It is exactly what you did. You intervened in favor of an obvious troll without contributing at all. You know nothing on the subject but you did not ask questions but attacked others that try to evict a troll.

This is the definition of trolling.

28 minutes ago, alfheim said:

From what I see in the post history it wasn't him who pulled this thread back from the grave.

He did. Starjumper just logged info from a member that talked to Kostas and he told the member that mopai caused prostate cancer.

It ticked megamind off and this started.

28 minutes ago, alfheim said:

If no one wants to talk about experience there is nothing new to post. At least for users who are new to the topic posting such videos and quotes can be helpful.
 

So you took the pain to find how all this started but you ignored the numerous requests by tdb members for WMP to reveal their experiences which were all denied with the same copy paste answer?

Are you affiliated with the WMP trolls?

28 minutes ago, alfheim said:

And how would any outsider here know about those?

Kostas' testimony which megamind objected to and some people who have an activated LDT or advanced knowledge of TCM, you troll!

11 minutes ago, alfheim said:

Well he is mostly in defense mode but if he doesn't want to talk about private experience here thats his decision.

No he is in "victim mode". He stirred this thread where there was no discussion for months in order to play victim for gullible people like you.

11 minutes ago, alfheim said:

At least he is posting occasionally videos and quotes in relation to Mo Pai.

Is this a joke? These have been already posted a gazillion times and have nothing new to bring to the table. Most are from the magus of Java which people have read.

11 minutes ago, alfheim said:

Whats the contribution of the others here in regards to Mo Pai discussion?

The hidden dangers of the practice of course and how the WMP don't know them or can't protect themselves from.

BTW why do you find a 2 level system with no results which is actively dangerous to the practitioner, interesting?

Steer clear of it and any who practice it!

The environment is not hostile to mo pai but to scamgong which western mo pai has all the characteristics.

-No lineage.

-No teacher

As a result of the above WMP cannot prove that it is the practice of John Chang.

There is no video of one of the westerners displaying anything at all.

@alfheim if you take a closer look at Megamind's posts there is no contribution ever that he did. Once he could have helped someone with a simple question and he declined to do so despite being one of the few that could answer it.

WMP is spiritual cancer! Steer clear of it and it's practitioners!

13 minutes ago, alfheim said:

It's a two way street. In this thread it looks like MegaMind mostly just responds to others writing in his direction.

Oh does he? Why did you get that impression?

He did not answer anything that we asked or never accepted that he used irrelevant sources to pose his opinion as something else and he has lied in every god damned page of this 40 page thread that his was able to participate.

He doesn't respond at all. All his answers are copy paste from his previous ones and all other western mo pai members like the user Ilovecoffee which was banned for spamming and trolling a year ago.

And this one is lying too. This thread existed before he joined and he started spamming it because it says some annoying truths about western mo pai that they don't want you to know.