Zork

2 minutes ago, Sanity Check said:

People like you are the reason Trump won the popular vote in 2024.

This is highly unlikely because I am not american. 

Also if you understood Taoism you would know that Trump's victory is not an inherently bad or good thing. Taoism doesn't deal in absolute terms.
 

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If you read the bible.

 

You should know if the word saint is in there.

 

Now you see the problem is that I have read the Bible and I can read it in Demotic Greek which you most obviously can't and I can assure you that the word Saint is never used to describe a person. 

You are not listening!!!!

This is a recurring theme in the thread. You have been given feedback by people here and you keep asking the same questions until you get the opinion that suits you. Unfortunately this is counterproductive at best or actively harmful, if you end up with Mantak Chia practices, at worst.

The subject of being self taught has been done to death in these forums and the consensus is that it is harmful at the long term (ever heard of Chi Deviations?). Go ahead, keep beating the dead horse by all means....

15 minutes ago, Sanity Check said:

 

 

The behavioral pattern of attempting to put others down.

 

In the flawed belief that it somehow elevates your own self.

 

Is the mark of an underachiever.

 

It also defines the type of person that no one likes.

 

 

 

Congratulations, you get a cookie.

If you know so much about me you would know that I don't personally care at how people perceive me and second I have enough experience to know that online personalities are different from the person in life.

I must also add that Ad Hominems won't help your argument which is practically non existent.

Who the hell told you that only catholics have saints??? 

12 minutes ago, Sanity Check said:

 

 

If you don't already know the answer.

 

You don't belong here discussing the topic.

 

 

Actually it is the other way around. I asked for evidence. You did not provide it. Your argument is null. All you need is point me to the text in the Bible where saints are mentioned, because in my knowledge they aren't. In the Bible the word for Saint is used to describe God and nobody else. Even the Prophets IIRC don't have that adjective.

25 minutes ago, Sanity Check said:

 

 

The word "saint" appears in the bible.

Point it out. I can understand Demotic Greek and can provide context from the original text if you like. All you need to point me to is the reference and we are cool.

Notice the context in bold.

Why do i talk about context? Because the translation from Greek of the word Άγιος in English is both Holy and Saint so a lot depends on context.

For example  " Holy, holy, holy is the Lord Almighty" is " Άγιος, Άγιος, Άγιος Κύριος Σαβαώθ"

3 minutes ago, Sanity Check said:

 

 

Why would I care about empowerment?

That is a good question but you need to answer that yourself.

3 minutes ago, Sanity Check said:

How did the 1st person develop esoteric techniques while lacking a teacher?

Dunnoh ask the Buddha or Jesus. Until you find such a person, the question is moot.

The real question is: do you know such a person?

5 minutes ago, Sanity Check said:

Who says people like you should learn such things?

Deflection won't get you answers but anyway your explosive mix of ignorance and audacity is difficult to recover from.

I can sympathize but only to the extent that you understand the shortcoming in your character.

7 minutes ago, Sanity Check said:

Especially when you don't seem to have the best self awareness or self control.

You must be an excellent judge of character to be able to discern the personality of someone through 2 online posts. Wiser men refrain on making judgements even after reading multiple posts but it seems we have a talented individual here! 

2 hours ago, Sanity Check said:

Saints are catholicism only relics. 

This is laughable and only underscores your ignorance.

1) You need to understand empowerment and why it is important.

2) In the absence of empowerment only 1 to 1 guidance from a teacher will allow you to make progress.

This might seem harsh but it is how reality works.

On 2/24/2025 at 7:53 AM, idiot_stimpy said:

Why do they say the highest spiritual teachings are self concealing/self hidden? 

 

Meaning its a secret that hides itself, no hiding needed from anything else.

They aren't. The real problem is that you and other people here don't understand empowerment.

Most in the western hemisphere aren't even aware that even Christianity has "secrets" and empowerment.

In the Orthodox liturgy at some point there is passage preserved from the ancient age τας θύρας τας θύρας, εν σοφία πρόσχωμεν which translates to " close the doors, we proceed to teaching wisdom/inner teachings". The old temples were designed in a way that the unbaptised/uninitiated were able to watch the proceeding of the rites up to the point that the doors were closed. 

Also you need to understand that saints in Christianity ( I assume that it is true in Muslims too) have been empowered to be able to exercise their abilities just like the Buddhists. There is a mention in the acts of the Apostles about some people who were trying to exorcise a demon in the name of Christ while not being baptised/initiated. The demon said something along the lines of "i recognize Jesus and his power but I don't recognize you, who dare to exorcise me in his name. " https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acts_19

The same is true in Buddism.  Even if you know the "secrets" they are useless to you without empowerment , so the talk about them is moot. I can only assume that the Taoists that don't use empowerment methods only use "secrets" because the actual process of manipulating the subtle energies in the body can cause serious harm without proper and constant guidance from an experienced teacher. Again the "secrets" won't help you proceed. I have heard that there are some signs of progress but they are easy to be mistaken for some other sensations and being over-optimistic will only fuel self delusion that the milestones have been achieved.

12 minutes ago, Shadow_self said:

 

Oh wow, you actually are running away,

 

AGAIN.

 

Haha 

 

 

Pleasure as always Zork   Try not to leave it so long between visits next time 

No i won*. Period. You ran away in the security of your PPD.

As i said you have no idea what you are talking about. I actually proved that above.

*This isn't a victory to be frank. But at least the truth prevailed for once.

1 hour ago, Shadow_self said:

 

 

Here you are...ill re-edit my last post and leave it for you to respond there

No i won't.

I told you we are fine here. I proved my point, you didn't. Game over. Cya!!!

Why? Because i am f*cking tired of trying to converse with someone who does not understand basic argumentation logic and keeps using fallacies as a means to prove that the absence of light isn't darkness....

Trying to make you think for a change is too tiring and not worth my time and effort, i have actual things to do instead of wasting time and effort to a meaningless cause. I just hope that people that see the thread ignore the nonsense you wrote.

1 hour ago, Shadow_self said:

If you don't open a new thread, don't expect a reply..I wont be catching a warning or ban because you haven't got basic forum etiquette 

Seriously? You of all people?

is this considered good forum etiquette?

11 hours ago, Shadow_self said:

P.S If you want to continue...I suggest opening a specific thread..Ill gladly do this with you for as long as you please (which I imagine isnt much longer given your history of flight)

You are the epitome of bad manner!

1 hour ago, Shadow_self said:

The underlying energetic networks are the same in all traditions...it is the degree of complexity with which they are discussed and where the emphasis is placed that changes

NO.

They differ. I already pointed out a tradition that differs.Hermetics differ too. Organs have different polarities and there is no yang and yin chi.

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1 hour ago, Shadow_self said:

That is the reason alchemical practices produce practitioners with siddhi....because they work from they physical body upward...and that is also why you are crying and blabbering about traditions where you cannot show one individual of any achievement whatsoever

 

and the reason they dont have said developments? Because they dont have the practices to make it happen.

Irrelevant argument. 2-0

1 hour ago, Shadow_self said:

Ah more nonsense...lets see who's telling the truth and who isnt then shall we

Says the major producer of bullshit in the thread.... lol

1 hour ago, Shadow_self said:

Please see here...please refer to Mark who actually teaches IIH..

 

Unlike your unknowledgeable self...he understands the mechanics of internal work. Heres his course

 

https://themartialman.com/courses/initiation-into-hermetics-with-sifu-mark-rasmus/

 

Level 1 : Elasticising the body.

False. It is just a minor part of level 1. and oh btw look what i found! 

24. Step 2. M. Visualization

Your source proves you wrong. Guess why that happened? Because you have no f*cking idea what you are talking about!

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1 hour ago, Shadow_self said:

" Tibetan yoga, in the context of my book, refers specifically to the deeply embodied Completion Stage practices that traditionally follow foundational Creation Stage practices based upon focused attention and creative visualization. In Creation Stage Deity Yoga, practitioners transcend habitual self-conceptions by imaginatively transforming themselves into a tantric deity. In one sense, we can understand this process as a form of “method acting” that reveals the fluid nature of self-identity. "

He says that they use visualisation. I was certain that he could have never said something so stupid that visualisation isn't needed.

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1 hour ago, Shadow_self said:

I left the AG forum...and out of respect for @Earl Grey I wont get into why. You want to discuss AG? over you go

 

But you are entirely welcome to open as many threads as you like here and have any argument you wish with me...publicly.

This is public. Where is the problem?

1 hour ago, Shadow_self said:

I have already told you...the links to both practitioners are as above

 

But i'll give you one  more thing he said...to prove my point that the foundational practices are physical, and extremely demanding..

This is just appealing to authority all over again.

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1 hour ago, Shadow_self said:

You visualize yourself as a blue scepter. 

So visualisation again? Wow that helps your argument a lot.

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1 hour ago, Shadow_self said:

Any practitioner I know worth their salt with any degree of ability whatsoever...had the same story regardless of whether or not they shared the practice with me...it was as mentioned...physically demanding, uncomfortable and required zero imagination whatsoever

Ah the "No true Scotsman fallacy". You really are a treasure to study logical fallacies in arguments!

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1 hour ago, Shadow_self said:

So you want to see if I'm telling the truth?  Find someone to show you and practice it yourself.

Ah "the leap at Rhodes" fallacy. Man you are shooting turd after turd.

https://americanliterature.com/author/aesop/short-story/the-leap-at-rhodes

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1 hour ago, Shadow_self said:

Otherwise, stop wasting time and derailing the thread please...

You are the one derailing it mister.

So @Shadow_self since you know about magic, what can you tell us about seals, candles, qaballah and how it relates to qigong and tummo?

2 hours ago, Aeordimm said:

2. "Immortal" generally refers to the ability to reduce the destruction of your spirit/mental body after you die. It depends on the "size" of a sea of consciousness, supported by past life memories and experiences and vast experiences of the present life. It's what people call talent or predisposition to certain things, where you don't have to learn a new skill from scratch in the next life. Sounds good on the surface, but it's easy to fall into a rabid hole of illusions when working with this.

Interesting. There is mention of the ability to control future incarnations in Bardo Thodol and the yogas of dream and sleep.

Ideally death should lead to enlightenment but if that fails the option to control the next incarnation so as to continue pursuing enlightenment is there.

What are the dangers that you are aware of? It sounds intriguing as you pointed out because you can keep magical skills through incarnations.

8 hours ago, Shadow_self said:

No you don't

 

You do not need to be a mechanic to understand how the different parts of an engine work, an explanation will suffice....

 

You just need to be one to take it apart and put it back together

You have no idea how stupid this claim is. Google Lataif and tell me how they (don't) relate at all with the energy centers of Hindu and taoist systems.

You should know IF you had ever studied Bardon. The energy structure that he included in the book is unlike the asian traditions. Your supposed (let's laugh here for a moment) knowledge of traditions does not include that?

8 hours ago, Shadow_self said:

Not really, because quoting them verbatim and claiming their unwavering truth would be an appeal to authority

 

What I have done is taken their explanation of a process....cross referenced it against my own experiential and theoretical understanding based on practice..them not knowing what I know, and I not knowing what they know...allows for a mental model of differentiation and integration to occur....once you collate said data points and identify the shared mechanics...it becomes very clear what is essential and what isn't. 

 

You cross reference this with several other accounts, and pretty soon you get a basic understanding of what is happening

 

You may then play around with the practice if you wish to. Ive done it with Tummo plenty of times...No imagination needed

 

I notice you conveniently ran away from my question about mechanics...that's quite the habit you have

 

Shall we try again? Or are you going to go for round two of duck hunt and hide in the grass once more

What you did is appeal to authority mixed with hearsay without the actual quotes from people you claim have said stupid things which obviously they haven't!

You claim that stretching is emphasized by hermetic masters. NO this is false and you have no source to prove anything.

You claim that Ian whatever said something and you have nothing to show. It is just hearsay!

8 hours ago, Shadow_self said:

No, im not  and I suggest you get to know me before the baseless claims come

Sure drifter, no problem...

8 hours ago, Shadow_self said:

Plenty, which have been discussed with people worth my time (some of who are friends and on this site) , my teachers, fellow practitioners...you know, people who actually do these things.

 

I'm not so keen on sharing discussion with folk who lack respect. You know the type that come in throw around insults and baseless claims, then run away when confronted

You sound exactly like the WMP crowd. Oh i am sure that you have plenty of sensations. Find another hobby, you won't get anywhere!

8 hours ago, Shadow_self said:

Wrong again. Funny that's quite the trend with you 

Eh you are the guy who knows nothing about the subject yet keeps insisting.

8 hours ago, Shadow_self said:

I have a far more personal teacher, where I get 1 to 1 instruction. No classes, no  public school. 1 to 1

 

Even with that everything I've mentioned in terms of practice and understanding passes the litmus test.

 

Even across traditions...So well, yeah...there's that

 

But in regards to who you mentioned. Im not going to speak for either one of them.  They don't need me to.

 

They both stand on their own credentials.

 

You however...have absolutely none. 

blah blah blah more hearsay

blah blah blah more appeal to authority

blah blah blah no proof

you sound exactly like ilovecoffee.

8 hours ago, Shadow_self said:

The reason you left was you were asked to explain your practice...and you ran away. Exactly like you are now avoiding my questions now...because you have no idea what you are saying in reality...hiding behind false claims and blanket unfounded statements

Oh really? you know why i left better than me?

Get serious troll!

Why did you leave the AG thread then?

Should i speculate like you?

I know that you had no argument and you chickened out.

see how this goes?

8 hours ago, Shadow_self said:

You cant even explain the mechanics behind the things your are advocating...its beyond unfortunate and just plain odd

So one that can score from any position in the court, must know the precise mechanics behind shooting? That is a joke statement. I am not answering stupid stuff.

8 hours ago, Shadow_self said:

P.S If you want to continue...I suggest opening a specific thread..Ill gladly do this with you for as long as you please (which I imagine isnt much longer given your history of flight)

Continue what? You have more hearsay and no proof? What is the point. I have already won.

8 hours ago, Shadow_self said:

ppealing to authority is something you dont seem to understand..

No the problem is that YOU don't.

One of the great commandments of science is, "Mistrust arguments from authority." ... Too many such arguments have proved too painfully wrong. Authorities must prove their contentions like everybody else.^[21]

^{Carl Sagan}

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

Arguments from authority that are based on the idea that a person should conform to the opinion of a perceived authority or authoritative group are rooted in psychological cognitive biases^[41] such as the Asch effect.^[42][43] In repeated and modified instances of the Asch conformity experiments, it was found that high-status individuals create a stronger likelihood of a subject agreeing with an obviously false conclusion, despite the subject normally being able to clearly see that the answer was incorrect.^[44]

8 hours ago, Shadow_self said:

 

If you want the evidence for what I am saying...

That is easy. you need proof. You don't have it and instead of shutting up because you don't have it, you insist on giving your anything but expert opinion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)

You need to provide facts why you know about a subject like western magic while you have never studied it.

You did not.

You have no argument.

I rest my case.

58 minutes ago, Shadow_self said:

 

I don't need to be a part of a tradition to call out mechanics.

Yes you do!

59 minutes ago, Shadow_self said:

Especially when explained to me prior by member of said traditions

Logical fallacy. You need to quote verbatim and let them explain their level of ignorance.

1 hour ago, Shadow_self said:

Oh not a drifter at all...

yes you are!

1 hour ago, Shadow_self said:

 

I have two traditions I am very happy with...both complement each other nicely...more importantly...they actually get results and dont require your imagination to do so.

 

And the results are?

Nothing at all of course.

1 hour ago, Shadow_self said:

But you are welcome to pretend you know what you are talking about, then exit stage left, much like the last time you did when called on your inaccurate statements by a person of actual  knowledge

Freeform is clueless and Damo isn't good and you know why.

1 hour ago, Shadow_self said:

What was it last time? 11 months 

 

Pleasure as always @Zork Hopefully i'll hear from you again before next year

The reason i left is because the mods have double standards.

49 minutes ago, Shadow_self said:

 

I don't need to be a part of a tradition to call out mechanics.Especially when explained to me prior by member of said traditions

 

Oh not a drifter at all...

 

I have two traditions I am very happy with...both complement each other nicely...more importantly...they actually get results and dont require your imagination to do so.

 

But you are welcome to pretend you know what you are talking about, then exit stage left, much like the last time you did when called on your inaccurate statements by a person of actual  knowledge

 

What was it last time? 11 months 

 

Pleasure as always @Zork Hopefully i'll hear from you again before next year

Appealing to authority without even quoting what people said or where it can be found is a very well documented logical fallacy.

Your previous post was a boatload of this fallacy.

Don't bother with the traditions you are following they will lead you nowhere. Even if they are legit which i highly doubt, your unethical behaviour will prevent you from acvomplishing anything of any importance.

2 hours ago, Shadow_self said:

 

Yes I am very aware of that...But the 9 purification breaths are taken from older pranayama practices...the imagination is not a vital part of the mechanics..you can do them without it...and people have and continue to

 

Its almost as if you think someone with aphantasia could not practice?

 

The tsa lung truk khor are basically movements co-ordinated with the breath. Tibetan yoga if you would, similar in mechanics to what the Daoists have, the same as the Hindus have. In fact if you knew your history you'd be able to trace this stuff back. 

 

That is the common link in the earlier stages...the underlying "extra stuff" that you refer to is not necessary...If it was all traditions would have it deeply embedded

 

Do you actually understand why they are visualizing in those practices? Do you understand the rationale?

 

 

Actually I do. I don't need to have a practice based in the tradition to understand how it it works or the mechanics of them. I'm fortune to know people who are in these lines and more than willing to share. I also have the opportunity to train in them should I wish to.

 

I just choose not to, for the reasons I mentioned prior

 

 

Ask a teacher, or better yet go train with one. The foremost teacher I know of those practices at the moment is Mark Rasmus, and he would tell you that opening and elasticising the body is not only important...it is essential.

 

The fact that you don't know why Bardon doesn't  include it,  indicates to me that perhaps something is lacking in your understanding of the mechanics at play here

 

 

I'm quite aware of the book. It sat on my shelf for several years collecting dust after I finished it. I'll probably give it to a charity shop when i get around to it.

 

Incomplete instructions are incomplete instructions...and sitting down visualising anything is not necessary when there are far more potent concentration exercises that can lead one towards spirit.

 

I have two teachers of separate traditions, One from Esoteric Buddhism, One from Daoist. I know quite a few people from different traditions in the latter on top of that,

 

I know several people who initiates of Tibetan Lines, and am lucky that they are willing to share...even though its not my cup of tea, it is nice to get an insight into the mechanics. And like I said...I could start in one of those traditions tomorrow if I chose to. 

 

The western traditions are all but dead and have been lost for centuries...what remains is mostly nonsense and complete crap. Finding authentic lines is nigh on impossible. 

 

The very few I know that have any measure of ability would tell you what is available is rubbish, and that they had to cross train to get anywhere

 

 

Random idiot on the Web? You realize Ian is literally endorsed by the Dalai Lama? They are on extremely good terms

 

He consistently leads expeditions to real lineages in Bhutan, is an initiate of multiple lines of Tibetan Buddhism and Tantric Shaivism. He also trained with the Mo Pai, and is involved in Esoteric Buddhist lines in Myanmar. Also a scholar on the topic

 

I think you are making yourself look quite misinformed now

 

And please note what I said...overemphasized

 

I maintain my original position, there is zero need to visualize anything for contacting spirit. There are better, faster, more efficient means of doing things.

 

You are entitled to disagree as you please...it makes no difference to me

This is 100% pure bullshit.

You are not part of these traditions and don't know what you are talking about.

You are the quintessential drifter who never stays at one art enough to be a master but thinks that encountering many arts and using academics you can master everything.

I hate to point it our to you lad but you are clueless and you will remain so. Just so you know, i have shown what you wrote to people of another magical tradition and the ROFLED at the nonsense.

I won't waste more time with uninformed patzers.....

9 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

Well, to make the  weather like it has been ,  people must be REALLY out of the natural order nowadays  ..... do you think so ?

 

 

And why did it take the heavens 70 years to react if pollution or urbanisation was the only trigger?

The earliest indications of lead pollution come from the roman empire and the extensive use of lead for the processing of silver used in coinage. How did the climate change then?

The ethical dimension of people today seems to have infuriated the heavens more than anything else.

10 hours ago, Shadow_self said:

 

The thing that makes Tibetan Tantric methods work is Tsa Lung Trul Khor....Guess what it does? Stretch

You really don't know what you are talking about. One of the exercises in tsa lung is 9 purification breaths which have visualisation.

10 hours ago, Shadow_self said:

Actually I have a bit of knowledge in Tibetan Tantra methods....I

 No you don't...

10 hours ago, Shadow_self said:

Even Bardon (who in my opinion offers relatively little) the more senior ones who still teach his material will tell you the physical methods required are simply not available in the book.

Eh no this isn't true. He mentions doing some regular exercise like isometrics but that isn't important.

10 hours ago, Shadow_self said:

But do yourself a favour...go back further and see where the hype for visualization comes from in terms of meditative (not magical) traditions....and what the term actually means.

Actually you need to read the books for a change because the second exercise in the book i mention is visualising an orange....

10 hours ago, Shadow_self said:

Does it change according to tradition? Somewhat...but the crux of the matter is it is neither required nor an efficient way of approaching spirituaity

And this is based on what? Your own non-existent experiences with those methods?

Western magic has inner alchemy too and there is a long tradition going back at least a thousand years.

10 hours ago, Shadow_self said:

PS...suggest you read and listen to much of Ian Bakers work... he has mentioned on several occasions how Visualization is unnecessarily overemphasized in Tibetan Practices...a point echoed to me by aforementioned initiates.

Sure, i will listen to a random idiot on the web instead of respected teachers of Tibetan lineages who have visualisation in many practices like Dream yoga for example. I mean what could go wrong with trusting the opinion of random idiots who don't walk the talk?

Whatever doesn't fit your paradigm doesn't mean that it is inferior or doesn't work.

This will bite you back later on your journey. Keep to your system and don't criticize systems that you have no idea how they work. Magic has very little connections to qigong. They are separate systems.

edit. in case i am misunderstood the idiot is Ian Baker who criticizes ancient traditions based on superficial understanding.

On 9/6/2022 at 4:32 AM, Zhongyongdaoist said:

I have just finished the first major weather spell in what I hope will relieve the Drought and excess heat in the Southwest of the United States.  I hope I will not have made a fool of myself by posting on this here, but I have had success breaking droughts before and doing some weather magic on a smaller scale, and I hope that success can be scaled up for the sake of the lives of millions of people who will otherwise suffer terribly.

 

ZYD

It is good that you are willing to help but isn't the drought sometimes caused by the heavens being disgusted with the ethics of mortals? Drought, plague etc IIRC according to Daoists happen because people act out of the natural order.

On 9/17/2022 at 1:05 AM, Indiken said:

I have some thoughts regarding how people influence the weather,

 

For example, it seems that there was different weather/climate in Republic/Early Imperial Rome and Late Imperial Rome. This idea stems from comparison of Roman infantry armor and clothing.

 

Might it be that Christianity changed people and people changed the weather/climate?

The climate was different at various points in history. Google the "Medieval warm period" and "Small ice age".

There is no correlation between Christianity and climate. The deforestation of the North African jungles and the loss of the Great African Lakes like the Megalake Chad happened before Christianity was even a concept.

On 9/18/2022 at 4:19 AM, Shadow_self said:

Magic tricks, visualizations...etc etc etc. If it is contact with spirit you want...they are a  poor use of time and effort....Just adding more layers instead of stripping them away.

This is plain wrong. It shows ignorance of Tibetan Tantra methods and Hermetic magic practices. Visualisation is key to these practices! Bardon has the exercise in the forefront of his book Initiation to the hermetics. Do you know better than Bardon?

On 9/18/2022 at 4:19 AM, Shadow_self said:

So you want to start building foundation? Learn to sit still without moving.....start by aiming for 30 minutes and then 1 hour. Also, begin stretching...a lot.

Again these have nothing to do with hermetic magic traditions. The foundations have only one thing in common. Meditation. The actual practices, like purification rituals, diverge completely after that. Even the energy systems are different.

As a side question @Iliketurtles what is your opinion on deep fakes??

My 2 cents. Evidence can be mathematical in origin. I can prove that the Earth is NOT flat without any audiovisual medium with simple high school math. As a simple exercise, imagine how geostationary satellites would work if the Earth was flat. Now imagine satellites in general. Do you understand what the problem is?

The actual problem that one can encounter with biological systems is that the only way to be sure about a phenomenon is to either study it directly in Vivo or observe it through statistics. The latter requires a repeatable experiment with observable metrics in lab conditions with double blind studies using many subjects. Good luck with that....  As for the former i don't need to mention how hard it is.

小梦想 's stillness method is interesting, I would advise people to give it a try if they have trouble meditating.

Many thanks for introducing it to the people.

2 hours ago, Frederic said:

Thank you for sharing parts of his syllabus Zork. Looks amazing. I really hope I can join in a year or so

go ahead. Caveat emptor.

What you really need to consider is the karma exchange between teacher and student at higher level teachings and since most "aspiring immortals" here have more than desirable karma there are 3 possible things happening:

1. He doesn't care exchanging/interweaving karma with you by sharing high level things. I don't think, that this is happening because i don't believe that Damo is stupid.
2. He has so much good karma or a very good way to burn it away. Unless we are talking about a messianic figure that appears once in a millenium at most, i don't think this is happening either. Which leaves us at....
3. He isn't going to teach you high level stuff so the karma intertwining won't happen. He will just take your money.

Do what you please. I have nothing more to say in this thread.

1 hour ago, refugeindharma said:

 

I agree, perhaps we should get back on to discussing the MCO course found here: https://damomitchell.com/2020/03/23/microcosmic-orbit/ in this thread titled "Damo Mitchell Free MCO Course"

yep. just remember to enroll for classes and do ldt work after orbit and then orbit work again. Success is guaranteed!