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#1 Trunk

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Posted 05 July 2014 - 04:11 PM

I'm pretty new to the bagua world, not broad exposure.  Thought I'd post this thread so that people could concisely list / link quality bagua resources.  I've no idea who the historical figures are, who are the major lineage holders out there currently (except for 2 that are commonly named online), which bagua books (especially classics), etc etc.

 

So I'm thinking this thread could be a concise "introduction to world of bagua resources" thread.

 

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Thanks! to Dawei for creating a bagua section!  :D


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Posted 05 July 2014 - 06:23 PM

Ba gua ji ben gong is basic technique: And here basic zhuang, line stepping and circle stepping:
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Posted 05 July 2014 - 09:48 PM

While the Pa Kua Chang Journal is no longer in publication it has just about as much information as you could want on the art.

 

http://pakuachangjournal.com/


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Posted 06 July 2014 - 12:14 AM

I find Tom Bisio's books to be a relaible source of solid, basic information (in easy-to-read format haha)

 

http://www.amazon.co...tom bisio bagua

 

And I like Kent Howard's atmosphere:

 

http://www.youtube.c...nt howard bagua


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Posted 06 July 2014 - 05:05 AM

Baguazhang Theory and App by Dr. Yang Jwing Ming and Master Liang Shou Yu.  It has lineage information in it.

I agree with both of the books above as good ones.  As far as an old book, I got Franklin Fik's translation of Sun Lutang's Bagua Quan.  While it is a thin book the information is vast.  Many say its not easy to understand and at first look it does appear that way, but it only takes a bit of thinking to realize what Master Lutang was getting at.

Kent Howard's Wang Shujin books are translations of books originally authored by Master Wang.  These are also brief reads with a lot of knowledge.  

As far as the DVD world goes I have found no baguazhang instructional DVDs like DGS.   Period.


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Posted 06 July 2014 - 05:58 AM

Tom Bisio's Bagua Concepts DVDs are excellent IMO.

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Posted 06 July 2014 - 07:31 AM

Just as an aside.
Anyone who thinks that MoPai is a tad contentious has yet to discover the inter-school fractiousness around commercial Bagua.
Here's a nice article from the BlackTaoist site and that quote in the last paragraph, to me; is 'statesmanlike'.
http://blacktaoist.com/cao.asp

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http://jsqg.sport.org.cn/en/
More about Mindfulness here...
http://bemindful.co.uk/

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Posted 06 July 2014 - 09:08 AM

... quote in the last paragraph, to me; is 'statesmanlike'.
http://blacktaoist.com/cao.asp

 

It's an interview with He Puren.

He Puren is a nationally-famous acupuncturist who has been praised as ‘tian xia di yi zhen‘ (’the first needle under heaven’). He is also a third-generation master of Yin style baguazhang, who was appointed honorary head of the Beijing Bagua Research Assocation for two successive terms.

... an excellent interview, resonating authenticity in every section.

 

:)  here's the last paragraph quoted,

At the end of the interview, He Puren said earnestly “The various branches of bagua ought to pull together to overcome the forces of factionalism and commercialism. We shouldn’t waste time bickering over who’s the most ‘authentic’, who has ‘the true transmission’. Even the students of the same teacher practice differently; in some cases, it is a problem of the student, in others the student has developed his own understanding. In terms of gongfu, modern people cannot compare with the previous generations. Back then, mastering bagua was about survival, about honour. Nowadays, everything’s different. Besides, no-one is invincible, there’s always someone better, we should be humble and cautious, and learn from others’ good points, instead of living in our own little ‘bubbles’.”


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Posted 11 July 2014 - 06:01 AM

The Dong Haichuan > Yin Fu > Men Baozhen > Xie Peiqi lineage has some great video material up on YouTube.

 

Introduction to Daoyin

 

https://www.youtube....ttoAF0T9-EU0nf_

 

Penetrating Palms is the basis of their system. It is the external to internal to which one adds character by learning the animals.

 

https://www.youtube....5lNGCA_qFh4z5fY

 

The Lion system is the first animal taught in this lineage because it is the quickest route to muscle and tendon changing within their curriculum.

 

https://www.youtube....qjyEek9hCXT5NuA

 

This lineage claims that the majority of Cheng Tinghua's training with Dong Haichuan came out of the Dragon system.

 

https://www.youtube....1ESeubjVKrvDlq5

 

The Bear system is said to be based on the same material as taijiquan - the Shisan Taibao.

 

https://www.youtube...._t2QqH6ec4BKNj6

 

The Phoenix is said to be great for people with long limbs but Xie Peiqi himself was only 5'6". I've never seen any of this particular system demonstrated in person, don't know as much about it as I'd like.

 

https://www.youtube....rJhh-rS_smrnbV5


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Posted 11 July 2014 - 06:05 AM

In the Gao bagua and xingyi syllabus the Tien Gan exercises are key to developing power.

 

https://www.youtube....8NdzdultwLNqczS


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Posted 11 July 2014 - 06:34 AM

He Jinghan is from an alternate Yin Fu lineage of bagua. His lineage is Dong Haichuan > Yin Fu > Gong Bao Tian > Gong Baozhai. It is said by the folks from Xie Peiqi's lineage that Gong Bao Tian was taught their Monkey style and received the fullness of Dong Haichuan's qing gong. Others speculate he may have already had qing gong skills from prior practice. Any way you look at it there is definitely more of a Lohan influence in the Gong Bao Tian lineage.

 

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Posted 11 July 2014 - 06:35 AM

Su Dong Chen is a Gao bagua and xingyi practitioner who also has extensive training Japanese arts as well as many years of Feldenkrais work under his belt.

 

https://www.youtube....l8OfUWRdkzTAK7A


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Posted 11 July 2014 - 06:46 AM

Allen Pittman has been practicing bagua longer than I've been alive.

 

http://apittman.com/...ba-gua/articles


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Posted 11 July 2014 - 11:21 AM

Just as an aside.
Anyone who thinks that MoPai is a tad contentious has yet to discover the inter-school fractiousness around commercial Bagua.
Here's a nice article from the BlackTaoist site and that quote in the last paragraph, to me; is 'statesmanlike'.
http://blacktaoist.com/cao.asp

idk, it could, but here on ttb bagua threads have never gone the way so many tai chi threads have gone, certainly no bagua thread has ever appeared to be a mo pai type thread. and offline, in the 'real' world in my neck of the woods we have exchanged many thoughts and experiences with maybe every single open source bagua school with nothing but mutual benefit. we have had meet ups and even --in state fierce rival kung fu schools --that butted heads on everything else found the exchanging of bagua related materials very friendly.

gmp, which style of baguazhang do you have experience with? and some in my neck of the woods have ongoing dialogue with black taoist even.

 

edit> plum pub gets mentioned on ttb from time to time and they do have a nice selection of material in a wide range of styles not just with the bagua, but this is the bagua thread, so

 

http://www.plumpub.c...ollbk_bagua.htm

http://www.plumpub.c..._crandallBG.htm

http://www.plumpub.c...title.htm#bagua

 

it is well known that i am part of DGS (i am a very very small part lol) and that i appreciate all bagua styles (that abide by the 36 and 48 songs) and i have an open mind towards all bagua thought.

 

i have wanted to check these 2 out for sometime, if anyone has these and would like to comment?

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Posted 15 July 2014 - 09:45 PM

Gem of a video on some fundamentals:

 


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Posted 24 July 2014 - 07:46 PM

Ted Mancuso has some wonderful information on the blog for his company. While it is not restricted to Baguazhang the information that he gives is great. Although he seems to have something against He Jinghan for some reason.

 

http://www.plumpub.com/kaimen/


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