old3bob Posted yesterday at 11:18 AM (edited) So how many of us recognize that evil is more or less running wild in the world with horrific actions, (and that in most cases silence anywhere or by anyone about same is an indirect form of helping that evil) none of the great masters so often quoted here were silent when it came to dealing with evil...aka the adharmic. Edited yesterday at 05:09 PM by old3bob Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
old3bob Posted yesterday at 05:53 PM (edited) The adharmic actions per the lowest chakras and their related hell realms and their evils are described in Hinduism as: "While the main seven-chakra system ends at the Muladhara (root chakra), some traditions describe seven additional chakras below it, extending down the legs and feet, representing deeper primal instincts, fears, and connections to the earth, including Atala, Vitala, Sutala, Talatala, Rasatala, Mahatala, and Patala" with the patala being of ruthless malice and horrible murder which we are seeing a lot of manifestation of same talking place on Earth and which btw philosophical, non-dualistic and or humanistic talk is out-right mocked and laughed at by beings operating in those lower realms. The only things that such evil recognizes are great will power and the purity of spiritual light directed against it. There is light at the end of tunnel so hanging on and guarding at muladhara and above is what all wholesome spiritual teachings are about, if we fall lower there is hell to pay. Edited yesterday at 06:01 PM by old3bob Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lairg Posted yesterday at 08:09 PM It may be that good and evil are human constructs. Perhaps the process of galactic unfoldment is cyclical with a phase of organization being followed by a phase of disorganization. No doubt many predators facilitate the destruction of the old - but is that evil or does it accelerate development of the new? For example, across this planet humans are losing faith in their forms of government. This is likely to lead to a period of disorder while new formats are developed. Is disorder evil? Perhaps it is necessary. How to smooth the process? I suggest good-hearted humans recognize each other and join together to generate new social and spiritual systems. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
old3bob Posted yesterday at 08:26 PM your last sentence was fine imo, the rest sounded like foolish B.S. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Haribol Posted yesterday at 08:35 PM 4 minutes ago, old3bob said: your last sentence was fine imo, the rest sounded like foolish B.S. I do not think so. Destruction (of the old) is nessesaryfor creation of the new. To create a tree house one has to cut down trees. Ofc I don’t like the suffering and government overreach caused by a very natural virus indeed, but it did wake a f ton of people up to what kind of forces operate in this world. Same with the guy that certainly did kill himself. It is impossible in the long run to not cause change when stuff like this gets surfaced. And at a certain point I believe the ball will start running with such speed there is no way that mass evil at that scale can continue to exist. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zerostao Posted yesterday at 09:10 PM 9 hours ago, old3bob said: So how many of us recognize that evil is more or less running wild in the world with horrific actions, (and that in most cases silence anywhere or by anyone about same is an indirect form of helping that evil) When was the world not being run by evil? Mod Notice-- the thread is under review for being political. Another Mod/Admin will likely hide and/or lock. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
old3bob Posted yesterday at 10:19 PM (edited) 1 hour ago, zerostao said: When was the world not being run by evil? Mod Notice-- the thread is under review for being political. Another Mod/Admin will likely hide and/or lock. when there was more of a balance at various times and places....lets remember the wounded can be the most dangerous and the evil on Earth knows its days are numbered thus its doing as much damage as possible before then. Btw, you got to be kidding about a review since this is a spiritual topic...that applies to most all people and their lives in one way or another here on earth. Was the holocaust only political or also of great spiritual darkness.... Edited yesterday at 10:22 PM by old3bob Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stirling Posted 23 hours ago 39 minutes ago, old3bob said: Btw, you got to be kidding about a review since this is a spiritual topic...that applies to most all people and their lives in one way or another here on earth. Was the holocaust only political or also of great spiritual darkness.... He's not kidding, it has been requested to be reviewed. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sanity Check Posted 22 hours ago Was I the only one who read the title and thought of this. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted 20 hours ago No ... probably other people that watch similar brain rot , and compare that , cartoons . comics, TV shows to reality thought of that . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted 20 hours ago (edited) 14 hours ago, old3bob said: So how many of us recognize that evil is more or less running wild in the world with horrific actions, (and that in most cases silence anywhere or by anyone about same is an indirect form of helping that evil) none of the great masters so often quoted here were silent when it came to dealing with evil...aka the adharmic. It seems you are being 'hunted ' for any hint of something that 'someone' ( that reports people a lot ) does not like . IMO its in the eye of the beholder . My eye sees your question as 'is evil running wild in the world' . Yep ... always has been . Ya know , war was always evil ( yes a human judgment indeed , but these are human affairs ) , nasty, death dealing , horrific . violent .... but it wasnt until Vietnam War got blasted via TV into our lounger rooms that people started realizing how bad things were in the modern world . ( Excepting the unfortunate who had to live through such things ) And with the advent of modern 'improvements' in communication , I think we are certainly now more aware of what goes on - outside of our insular , air con , electronic environs . The safety of western civilization is collapsing and will effect more 'safe ' people as time goes on ...... regardless of who runs things ( some may invoke more of it some less ) .... its an inevitable collapse due to the false foundations it was based on ( ie. ideas of unlimited resources and economic formulas of ever increasing expansion ) . . Edited 20 hours ago by Nungali 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted 20 hours ago 2 hours ago, stirling said: He's not kidding, it has been requested to be reviewed. Because it is 'political ' ? - that must have been before the OP pot edited ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
old3bob Posted 16 hours ago (edited) 6 hours ago, Nungali said: It seems you are being 'hunted ' for any hint of something that 'someone' ( that reports people a lot ) does not like . IMO its in the eye of the beholder . My eye sees your question as 'is evil running wild in the world' . Yep ... always has been . Ya know , war was always evil ( yes a human judgment indeed , but these are human affairs ) , nasty, death dealing , horrific . violent .... but it wasnt until Vietnam War got blasted via TV into our lounger rooms that people started realizing how bad things were in the modern world . ( Excepting the unfortunate who had to live through such things ) And with the advent of modern 'improvements' in communication , I think we are certainly now more aware of what goes on - outside of our insular , air con , electronic environs . The safety of western civilization is collapsing and will effect more 'safe ' people as time goes on ...... regardless of who runs things ( some may invoke more of it some less ) .... its an inevitable collapse due to the false foundations it was based on ( ie. ideas of unlimited resources and economic formulas of ever increasing expansion ) . . well I'd say much of what passes for human affairs takes place on the surface (so to speak) but that there can also be elements underneath that which are demonic affairs that sometimes seduce, drive or infect impressionable humans . We also have some people who willfully and knowingly align themselves with evil. I'd also add that it is impossible to be truly enlightened without facing and overcoming any evil that may be in oneself and also outside oneself. (along with any pretenses or silences of being above it all and or that ignoring same is nuts) Edited 13 hours ago by old3bob Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bradley Posted 13 hours ago I have to say, I am pretty happy in the world I live, and I don't think evil is running wild. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gerard Posted 12 hours ago Maybe this report will answer your question: ‘Self-termination is most likely’: the history and future of societal collapse I fully agree with it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kakapo Posted 9 hours ago (edited) On 1/8/2026 at 6:18 AM, old3bob said: So how many of us recognize that evil is more or less running wild in the world with horrific actions, (and that in most cases silence anywhere or by anyone about same is an indirect form of helping that evil) none of the great masters so often quoted here were silent when it came to dealing with evil...aka the adharmic. “The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.” Right now the reason evil is running wild is because it is invisible to a large portion of people, even when presented with proof of it, their mind cannot see it. The people who can see it are scared, and view themselves as weak, and they don't want to "rock the boat". The solution is for all the people who feel like that to unite as one, and do something about it. The problem becomes convincing them all to adopt the mindset of "together we can change this", from "I am weak and powerless, and nothing I do matters". Edited 9 hours ago by kakapo 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve Posted 9 hours ago I wonder what value there is in ascribing the negative characteristics and manifestations we see as “evil” as opposed to human? It feels to me that it is a way to distance ourselves or absolve ourselves of responsibility, a form of dehumanization such as is used to normalize atrocities. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
old3bob Posted 8 hours ago (edited) 44 minutes ago, steve said: I wonder what value there is in ascribing the negative characteristics and manifestations we see as “evil” as opposed to human? It feels to me that it is a way to distance ourselves or absolve ourselves of responsibility, a form of dehumanization such as is used to normalize atrocities. ask all the enlightened or advanced masters and students worth their salt why they are not afraid to use terms like "evil, demonic, and hell realms or beings" in their spiritual teachings & warnings that give and have protections against same, (along with graphic depiction's of such like on the Tibetan Wheel of Life and so many other examples across a very board spectrum of ways and religions) some of which have lineages and precepts going back thousands of years... Edited 8 hours ago by old3bob Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
old3bob Posted 8 hours ago 1 hour ago, kakapo said: “The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.” Right now the reason evil is running wild is because it is invisible to a large portion of people, even when presented with proof of it, their mind cannot see it. The people who can see it are scared, and view themselves as weak, and they don't want to "rock the boat". The solution is for all the people who feel like that to unite as one, and do something about it. The problem becomes convincing them all to adopt the mindset of "together we can change this", from "I am weak and powerless, and nothing I do matters". and some are not afraid since they know that their all mighty intellect is far superior to what they label as opiates of religious and spiritual folks... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
liminal_luke Posted 7 hours ago (edited) There´s plenty of bad around if you look for it. And yet the sun still shines and the grass still grows. Look around and you´ll discover people painting, writing books, eagerly awaiting the right time to plant spring flowers. Kindness is everywhere. To see the good is not to deny the bad; on the contrary, our awareness of the good will give us the strength we need to deal with the darkness. Edited 7 hours ago by liminal_luke 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zerostao Posted 7 hours ago 2 minutes ago, kakapo said: “The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.” Then the devil played another trick; convincing the the world there was only one devil. 2 minutes ago, kakapo said: Right now the reason evil is running wild is because it is invisible to a large portion of people, even when presented with proof of it, their mind cannot see it. Ah folks see it. How could it be invisible? It's been broadcasted non-stop to the point, folks have become desensitized to it. Spoiler 2 minutes ago, kakapo said: The people who can see it are scared, and view themselves as weak, and they don't want to "rock the boat". "Rocking the boat" causes collateral damage as well. It isn't that folks are scared and weak, it is a sobering situation, and needs addressed in a way not rushed, which plays into the elites hands. Oh, shit, did I equate elites with evil?! Not necessarily, although,,, 2 minutes ago, kakapo said: The solution is for all the people who feel like that to unite as one, and do something about it. Don't hold your breath on everyone uniting as one. 2 minutes ago, kakapo said: The problem becomes convincing them all to adopt the mindset of "together we can change this", from "I am weak and powerless, and nothing I do matters". There are small groups that have stated objectives of holding accountable the ones who are dangled by the strings. The ones dangling and tugged by those strings are the truly weak. These intrigues are often inside jobs and border on the political fringes What usually happens in times like these, when the curtain has been drawn open and evil takes off its mask, is the world is dragged into major war. The 4th generation theory Because it is held by the elites that after a big war, folks can be controlled for three generations. Civil wars prevent revolution. Evil has carefully constructed presumably safe haven hideouts to weather the coming storm and the rest of us face horrendous odds of merely surviving. Let alone, feel good about it. There was a mural I was shown in 1978, in an air force hardened bunker,9 forecasting today's landscape and the coming aftermath; there was a caption: "The living will envy the dead" Apologies everyone for posting this. And, sometimes perhaps, predictive murals get it wrong. There is always hope. There are already places where there is no room for the faint of heart. Perhaps coming soon to a location near you. Spoiler Set at the precipice of world war one; some mysterious elusive phantom madman as the evil behind the madness. After two world wars in the past century, the mystery no longer remains. The question of elusive remains. So, there could be some facsimile of a grand uprising. They do occur, rarely. Civil wars, mixed with the larger war mostly. Every now and then a true revolution. My approach is on the side of choosing to be Meek. Not to be confused with weak. A holistic grass roots effort, emphasizing kindness and service to the poor and downtrodden.i deliver meals to disabled seniors it is a little thing. But enough little things by those on the other side of the spectrum than the elite, do add up. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Master Logray Posted 5 hours ago On 1/8/2026 at 7:18 PM, old3bob said: So how many of us recognize that evil is more or less running wild in the world with horrific actions, (and that in most cases silence anywhere or by anyone about same is an indirect form of helping that evil) none of the great masters so often quoted here were silent when it came to dealing with evil...aka the adharmic. If you imply there is only 1 evil, then I would disagree. There are big evils, small evils, outward evils, hidden evils, latent evils.... All these change all the time. And all of us are or have evil inside us too. If everyone has god nature, then everyone should have evil nature. It is just the level that matters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve Posted 5 hours ago (edited) 4 hours ago, old3bob said: ask all the enlightened or advanced masters and students worth their salt why they are not afraid to use terms like "evil, demonic, and hell realms or beings" in their spiritual teachings & warnings that give and have protections against same, (along with graphic depiction's of such like on the Tibetan Wheel of Life and so many other examples across a very board spectrum of ways and religions) some of which have lineages and precepts going back thousands of years... Just like the gods and goddesses, I see these more as convenient anthropomorphic representations of human qualities and characteristics and of unexplainable natural phenomena. Some positive (gods and goddesses) and some negative (demons). I’m not afraid to use the terms but I think they are less necessary and less meaningful in the context of modern knowledge. Edited 4 hours ago by steve Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SodaChanh Posted 4 hours ago The question is: have you rooted out the evil in yourself? Plenty of dark side in all of us. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
old3bob Posted 3 hours ago (edited) 4 hours ago, liminal_luke said: There´s plenty of bad around if you look for it. And yet the sun still shines and the grass still grows. Look around and you´ll discover people painting, writing books, eagerly awaiting the right time to plant spring flowers. Kindness is everywhere. To see the good is not to deny the bad; on the contrary, our awareness of the good will give us the strength we need to deal with the darkness. ok, and while you are at it Luke take a good look at well recorded history that shows when and how those humanistic virtues are or have been systematically destroyed and how naivety about that destruction continues and does not help preserve same...Granted we can still find some safe places and kindness in mankind for awhile but for how long and where as we also see malicious darkness and murder making gains, where do North Koreans, Russians, Chinese, many South and Central American peoples, many Indonesian's, Mexicans, many middle Eastern and far East peoples, many Europeans, Nordic areas of peoples, Ukrainian's, countless indigenous peoples, Africans, many various Asians and also North Americans go to or how they hopefully maintain such freedoms without a fight for same or to reclaim such on multiple levels? (and lets not forget some Australian peoples who have suffered greatly from genocide as have many Indian peoples around the world have , along with many Indian people in India and countries nearby it whose people suffer in crushing poverty!) Edited 2 hours ago by old3bob Share this post Link to post Share on other sites