Is the MCO Real? (Split from Benebell Wen on the Microcosmic Orbit)

[Neirong]

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Is the MCO anything Real?

It does not really matter. When someone lacks skill or experience, they only have the option to believe or not. 
 

Which is absolutely irrelevant. 

 

When you actually have the skill/quality itself, when you can see energies with an activated third eye, or have a functional working MCO, or one of hundreds other abilities, belief and faith no longer matter. 

 

It does not matter if millions or billions of souls, or everyone around you, do not believe that an ability exists or that you, in particular, do not have it. They will have no power to strip your attained merit and remove it.

 

In fact, people with real abilities have little interest in making themselves known or proving anything to anyone. 

 

I don't think any advanced teaching is based on faith/belief. Teachings lead you to specific attainments through dedication, training, and a path where you gain personal experience. Not something written in a book, not something copied from a lecture. 

 

The problem with these threads is usually that people want something, but they are unwilling actually to work or make a commitment to their wish. What they have left is to devalue and undermine certain skills or qualities, telling everyone how meaningless it is to have a siddhi, how irrelevant it is, and that it actually does nothing at all, being just a form of metaphysical belief or delusion.

Truth is, there is an absolutely immense difference in life experience/quality/existential status between a regular untrained human and an average cultivator. It is more than a difference in society between a homeless beggar, starving for any food scraps, and a billionaire who has life's opportunities on a silver platter. 

Simply indescribable. 

[-ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ-]

3 minutes ago, Neirong said:

The problem with these threads is usually that people want something, but they are unwilling actually to work or make a commitment to their wish. What they have left is to devalue and undermine certain skills or qualities, telling everyone how meaningless it is to have a siddhi, how irrelevant it is, and that it actually does nothing at all, being just a form of metaphysical belief or delusion.

Truth is, there is an absolutely immense difference in life experience/quality/existential status between a regular untrained human and an average cultivator. It is more than a difference in society between a homeless beggar, starving for any food scraps, and a billionaire who has life's opportunities on a silver platter. 

Simply indescribable. 

An ant telling a bird that flying is overrated 

[Forestgreen]

2 hours ago, zerostao said:

 

Once again, the "scientific" view is exposed by its limitations by disregarding the subjective and only relying on the objective.

Medical science and psychological science use both qualitative and quantitative methods. Just like the two truths in Buddhism, both are useful as long as they are not conflated with each other. 

 

Some tend to value one over the other, which technically is an "unscientific" view.

[Cobie]

 

4 hours ago, zerostao said:

 

It doesn't matter if someone believes or not; if there is functionality.

No autopsy will find a mco in a cadaver.

The cadaver is dead and no longer an active energy vessel.

There are results from running mco.

That, idk how many practitioners over the years, spanning generations, generally agree upon.

Mco is not a physical structure it is a dynamic energy pathway. 

Once again, the "scientific" view is exposed by its limitations by disregarding the subjective and only relying on the objective.

 

Edit/ I said it before and it remains true that science itself, is a belief systen

 

I feel motivated to react as (from what I read on TDB) I respect you. Problem is, sincerely, all my understanding is already expressed in my previous post (quoted below). I don’t know what more to say, so I’m going to leave this discussion now. Thank you for replying. 

 

On 20/10/2025 at 12:38 AM, Cobie said:

I experience the metaphysical, have done for 35 years now. I also have had ‘experiences’ that turned out to be hallucinations brought forth by my own mind.  I prefer to say I believe in the metaphysical. 

 

Edited 12 hours ago by Cobie

[zerostao]

50 minutes ago, Cobie said:

 

 

I feel motivated to react as (from what I read on TDB) I respect you. Problem is, sincerely, all my understanding is already expressed in my previous post (quoted below). I don’t know what more to say, so I’m going to leave this discussion now. Thank you for replying. 

 

 

 

Likewise, I hold respect for you.

And find value in your post 

 

If my posture, breathing, circulation, immune system, nervous system, and calmness, have benefitted from hallucinations, that is still winning.

 

 

[Trunk]

I think that the there are levels of working with the MCO, and the extraordinary vessels as an integral dynamic.  My impression is that we have a surface understanding of “dan tian” and “extraordinary vessels”, that there are layers and we should continue to excavate.

 

[SodaChanh]

10 hours ago, Taomeow said:

It is a belief system for the indoctrinated, but for the indoctrinators it is primarily (and often entirely) a power grab system. 

 

That is not my experience, having taken a masters degree. 

 

The scientists are pretty humble and have passion for the sciences. One even had a mathematical breakthrough in his dreams. 

[Master Logray]

11 hours ago, -ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ- said:

An ant telling a bird that flying is overrated 

 

White ant can fly.   

[-ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ-]

58 minutes ago, Master Logray said:

 

White ant can fly.   

White ant has trained very hard 

[Master Logray]

2 minutes ago, -ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ- said:

White ant has trained very hard 

 

Really?  I think all their minds are about mating and pregnancy.

[-ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ-]

2 hours ago, Master Logray said:

 

Really?  I think all their minds are about mating and pregnancy.

White ant only marry high level cultivator