Gerard Posted 7 hours ago The REAL YOU is not even here, so why bother with all the complex talk about nirvana, suffering, cause and effect, sunyata (emptiness), dependent origination, etc. Â Same goes with Taoism. Tao ---> yin & yang and the creative action of the five forces. That's it. Stop there and don't make things more complicated. Â Really: Â We for once are only spiritual beings having a human experience now and as long as you have tentacles left you will carry on with the vital experience. Once the tentacles are all gone you remain in a state of Tao/nirvana as you have always been from the VERY BEGINNING. Â Â 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lairg Posted 7 hours ago (edited) 14 minutes ago, Gerard said: The REAL YOU is not even here, so why bother with all the complex talk about nirvana, suffering, cause and effect  Why does the Real You bother with generating a line of human incarnations?  If the Real You has a purpose then presumably it wants its various human incarnations to contribute.  So how can the human incarnations be assisted?  Would some instructions help?  Do some spirits object to the intended purposes of humans? Do they provide adverse instructions?   The stages of enlightenment are usually described as a bottom-up view.  From a top-down view they are progressive stages of incarnation of the Real You   Edited 7 hours ago by Lairg 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
