Alchemy, is it real ??

[Stream]

Good day to all the seniors here , now this is my first post after my introduction and it's about a topic that I find in lot of Manhua , manhwa that I like to read .

 

Alchemy, not the internal Alchemy that I have been reading about in the forum but medicinal Alchemy, where using herbs to make miracle medicine is real , honestly in any manhua that I have read the concept of Alchemy is my favourite as it deal with healing and growth .

 

So is it possible that there are medicine pills that can help in cleansing the body of impurities?? .

 

Ofc if this topic is not something openly talked about then forgive me for my ignorance and if it's allowed plz impart some knowledge to me .

[Davey Calico]

In my experience, ayahuasca is a clear example of medicinal alchemy, a vine and leaves are cooked in a cauldron and administered to the people as an elixir.

[MIchael80]

1 hour ago, Stream said:

Good day to all the seniors here , now this is my first post after my introduction and it's about a topic that I find in lot of Manhua , manhwa that I like to read .

 

Alchemy, not the internal Alchemy that I have been reading about in the forum but medicinal Alchemy, where using herbs to make miracle medicine is real , honestly in any manhua that I have read the concept of Alchemy is my favourite as it deal with healing and growth .

 

So is it possible that there are medicine pills that can help in cleansing the body of impurities?? .

 

Ofc if this topic is not something openly talked about then forgive me for my ignorance and if it's allowed plz impart some knowledge to me .

Hi! 

 

Yes it is real...even up to the philosophers stone. But it is also secret. 

Simple alchemy is quite common and already powerful,  look into spagyrics for example. 

[silent thunder]

Life is Alchemy.  (seems to be to my local awareness/experience)

 

Life is the ever shifting of one into another.  Awareness (the experience of being) itself is Alchemy. 

 

My Son's body formed within my Wife's body.  Forming within the womb tzujan, of itself, by transmuting food, air and water that she consumed while pregnant.  My Son's body now alchemizes food/air/water into bones, organs, muscles, nerves, etc and sustains awareness of this for a time, before further decomposing (alchemizing) into ought else..

 

Sunlight stimulates seeds in soil that, which alchemize with water, minerals and light to grow into trees, bushes, wheat, moss etc... these forms further alchemize, transforming into new soil.  Transmutation.  Alchemy.

 

Reality=Alchemy of Awareness.  As awareness is always shifting and morphing, accomodating new sensation, interpreting, adapting, rejecting, believing, seeking etc... 

 

Indeed, is there any aspect of phenominological awareness that is not an alchemy of transitioning from one observed form/structure/makeup, into another?  Is there ought which is not Alchemy?

 

[Antares]

40 minutes ago, silent thunder said:

Indeed, is there any aspect of phenominological awareness that is not an alchemy of transitioning from one observed form/structure/makeup, into another?  Is there ought which is not Alchemy?

 

Yeah, rotting body under the ground seems to be the alchemy as well according to your conception

[silent thunder]

1 hour ago, Antares said:

 

Yeah, rotting body under the ground seems to be the alchemy as well according to your conception

Of course!

Ddecomposition is a leading source of the direction of Primal Alchemy!  Have you not recognized the Alchemy of decomposition all around you?

 

The rotting food in your colon and small intestine is the source of all your energy and sustaining of your bodily form.  Every thing you consume is dead, or dying as it enters your body.

 

Decomposition is the source of the Vigor and Vitality of Livingness in your bodily experience.  The Awareness of Being.

In your response, you seem to be looking at my finger... not what the finger indicates.

 

 

 

[Antares]

7 minutes ago, silent thunder said:

The rotting food in your colon and small intestine is the source of all your energy and sustaining of your bodily form.  Every thing you consume is dead, or dying as it enters your body.

How does this statement correlate with

4 hours ago, Stream said:

So is it possible that there are medicine pills that can help in cleansing the body of impurities?? .

???

[jgd]

5 hours ago, Stream said:

Good day to all the seniors here , now this is my first post after my introduction and it's about a topic that I find in lot of Manhua , manhwa that I like to read .

 

Alchemy, not the internal Alchemy that I have been reading about in the forum but medicinal Alchemy, where using herbs to make miracle medicine is real , honestly in any manhua that I have read the concept of Alchemy is my favourite as it deal with healing and growth .

 

So is it possible that there are medicine pills that can help in cleansing the body of impurities?? .

 

Ofc if this topic is not something openly talked about then forgive me for my ignorance and if it's allowed plz impart some knowledge to me .

 

External alchemy is a thing and several kinds of qi pills exist. They are usually extremely expensive.

 

However, cleansing in a manhua sense is just fantasy. Real life is more complicated.

Edited 20 hours ago by jgd

[Lairg]

Chickens can do alchemy.   With no calcium in their diet they can produce calcium shells indefinitely - but only if there is magnesium in their diet.

 

I wonder if humans are as smart

 

These days that process is called LENR  :  Low Energy Nuclear  Reaction

 

https://tayloramarel.com/2025/01/cold-fusion-exploring-the-latest-advances-in-low-energy-nuclear-reactions-lenr/

[Cobie]

 

 

1 hour ago, Lairg said:

Chickens … With no calcium in their diet they can produce calcium shells indefinitely …

 Laying hens need lots of calcium in their diet, otherwise thin-shelled eggs. They can draw calcium from their bones, but that leads to bone problems.

 

 

Edited 15 hours ago by Cobie

[Lairg]

If you say so

 

On the other hand Kervran did the experiments

 

https://rexresearch.com/kervran/kervran.htm

 

https://bionutrient.net/site/library/reviews/biological-transmutations

 

https://thesurvivalgardener.com/elements-changed-elements-via-biological-processes/

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 17 hours ago by Lairg

[Cobie]

 

1 hour ago, Lairg said:

… Kervran …

These are not serious links. E.g.  Kervran's theory has been totally discredited by scientists.

 

 

Edited 15 hours ago by Cobie

[Lairg]

2 hours ago, Cobie said:

These are not serious links. E.g.  Kervran's theory has been totally discredited by scientists.

 

Most humans hate to be wrong - especially those that have put decades into false beliefs

 

In Kuhn's book:  The Structure of Scientific Revolutions   we discover the science progresses by the death of those holding old theories

 

https://archive.org/details/structureofscien0000kuhn

 

Meanwhile:

 

  Even earlier, in 1822 an Englishman named William Prout had studied chicken eggs in incubation.  He found that hatched chicks had more lime (calcium) in their bodies than was originally present in the egg!
Another French scientist named Henri Spindler discovered that a kind of algae called Laminaria could create iodine.
A German researcher named Vogel had planted cress seeds in a bell jar.  They were fed nothing but distilled water; still, when grown they contained more sulphur than had been in the seeds originally.
Lawes and Gilbert, two British researchers, also found that plants could “extract” more elements from the soil than the soil actually contained in the first place.
Baranger performed thousands of meticulous experiments in plant transmutation of elements.  He proved that the transmutations do occur.  He also discovered that many things affected the germinating seed transmutation process: the time the seeds germinate, the type of light they are exposed to, the phase of the moon, etc. 

 

https://thesurvivalgardener.com/elements-changed-elements-via-biological-processes/

 

 

Lloyd Pye  started the meme:  Everything you know is wrong

 

https://books.google.com.au/books/about/Everything_You_Know_Is_Wrong_Book_1.html?id=S7cHAAAACAAJ&redir_esc=y

 

Why are Earth humans such slow learners?

 

 

 

 

Edited 14 hours ago by Lairg

[Gerard]

15 hours ago, Stream said:

So is it possible that there are medicine pills that can help in cleansing the body of impurities?? .

Certainly there are. For example:

 

Herbs that clear heat and eliminate toxins

 

But you don't want to automedicate yourself. Go see a qualified TCM herbalist 

Edited 9 hours ago by Gerard

[Sanity Check]

Its been claimed chlorella binds to heavy metals making it easier to do a full body cleanse.

 

Activated organic charcoal ingestion is another method some swear by.

 

 

[Nungali]

14 hours ago, Antares said:

 

Yeah, rotting body under the ground seems to be the alchemy as well according to your conception

 

Not just his conception . 

 

In western alchemy it is clearly on of the stages of transformation ;  stage 5  - 'purification'  or fermentation . 

 

Even AI agrees    

 

AI Overview

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''  In alchemy, Putrefaction (or sometimes Fermentation, Mortificatio) is the fifth stage, representing the death and decay of the old self to make way for new life and rebirth. This challenging, dark night of the soul involves confronting and decomposing inauthentic aspects of the self, similar to how a body breaks down after death, to unearth the authentic self and a deeper consciousness. This process, which often involves a "blackening" of the substance or spirit, is a necessary prelude to renewal and growth. ''

[Nungali]

9 hours ago, Lairg said:

Chickens can do alchemy.   With no calcium in their diet they can produce calcium shells indefinitely - but only if there is magnesium in their diet.

 

I wonder if humans are as smart

 

These days that process is called LENR  :  Low Energy Nuclear  Reaction

 

https://tayloramarel.com/2025/01/cold-fusion-exploring-the-latest-advances-in-low-energy-nuclear-reactions-lenr/

 

Is this another 'Lairg pronouncement of new reality'  ?  

 

Chickens go long term ( NOT indefinably ! ) on no calcium intake  and supply calcium  for eggs by drawing it  from their skeletons -  its an emergency measure and over time creates problems with bone health .  They can even store calcium in a special part of their skeleton to draw upon when their diet lacks it 

 

all the details are here ;   https://www.dineachook.com.au/blog/calcium-for-chickens-recognise-and-avoid-deficiencies/?srsltid=AfmBOooXfpUHmKUzaX_eO8w3jW8AKJ62FcdZ7zMLmsJoXfJz4Vzn6BCD

 

and no magnesium will not do the trick .  

 

AI Overview

 

No, chickens cannot produce calcium from magnesium to make eggshells; in fact, too much magnesium in a chicken's diet can reduce eggshell quality and calcium retention. Calcium is the essential mineral for eggshells, and chickens obtain it from their diet and by withdrawing it from their bones, not by converting other minerals like magnesium. 

and even if they could that would be internal cheistry not alchemy 

 

Do you even know what alchemy is supposed to be ?  

[Nungali]

9 hours ago, Lairg said:

If you say so

 

On the other hand Kervran did the experiments

 

https://rexresearch.com/kervran/kervran.htm

 

https://bionutrient.net/site/library/reviews/biological-transmutations

 

https://thesurvivalgardener.com/elements-changed-elements-via-biological-processes/

 

 

 

 

 

 

Then why cant you cite the exact quote .... instead of linking Cobie to a long paper  that has NOTHING about chickens and eggs in it ? 

[Nungali]

6 hours ago, Lairg said:

 

Most humans hate to be wrong - especially those that have put decades into false beliefs

 

In Kuhn's book:  The Structure of Scientific Revolutions   we discover the science progresses by the death of those holding old theories

 

https://archive.org/details/structureofscien0000kuhn

 

Meanwhile:

 

  Even earlier, in 1822 an Englishman named William Prout had studied chicken eggs in incubation.  He found that hatched chicks had more lime (calcium) in their bodies than was originally present in the egg!
Another French scientist named Henri Spindler discovered that a kind of algae called Laminaria could create iodine.
A German researcher named Vogel had planted cress seeds in a bell jar.  They were fed nothing but distilled water; still, when grown they contained more sulphur than had been in the seeds originally.
Lawes and Gilbert, two British researchers, also found that plants could “extract” more elements from the soil than the soil actually contained in the first place.
Baranger performed thousands of meticulous experiments in plant transmutation of elements.  He proved that the transmutations do occur.  He also discovered that many things affected the germinating seed transmutation process: the time the seeds germinate, the type of light they are exposed to, the phase of the moon, etc. 

 

https://thesurvivalgardener.com/elements-changed-elements-via-biological-processes/

 

 

Lloyd Pye  started the meme:  Everything you know is wrong

 

https://books.google.com.au/books/about/Everything_You_Know_Is_Wrong_Book_1.html?id=S7cHAAAACAAJ&redir_esc=y

 

Why are Earth humans such slow learners?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Typical response  from you  . 

 

again nothing in there about what you claimed about chicken and eggs 

 

You just point the finger and decide someone is less evolved or mixed up or a 'slow learner' ,  when they point pout you are sprouting BS ... again ! 

[Nungali]

43 minutes ago, Sanity Check said:

Its been claimed chlorella binds to heavy metals making it easier to do a full body cleanse.

 

Activated organic charcoal ingestion is another method some swear by.

 

 

 

I had success with silver treatments ... not pills though ' a tonic'  ... I know it can be risky but I made it myself to make sure and got the required right color in the end product . Out of curiosity I bought some , could not tell the quality as it was in a colored bottle  so I tipped some out .... nope ! That was the color the instructions warned me about !   I used it in conjunction with blood electrification . 

 

But again this is not alchemy ... not western alchemy anyway . 

 

What is the definition of eastern alchemy ? 

[oak]

19 hours ago, Stream said:

 

 

So is it possible that there are medicine pills that can help in cleansing the body of impurities?

 

Yes indeed. Just keep in mind that those "pills" are made in " nature's laboratory" and the alchemist should be "nature's monkey". Anyway wasn't the design of "pills" taken from nature in the first place?

[Antares]

3 hours ago, Nungali said:

Not just his conception . 

In western alchemy it is clearly on of the stages of transformation ;  stage 5  - 'purification'  or fermentation . 

Sorry, I don't think Western alchemy is still valid.

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In alchemy, Putrefaction (or sometimes Fermentation, Mortificatio) is the fifth stage, representing the death and decay of the old self to make way for new life and rebirth. 

 

That' just westernized BS. What should die is your ignorance and NEGATIVE QI we have. You are NOT ur negative thoughts and emotions. And yes there is smth that can purify you, but I am not specialist in medicine so I wont comment it in re to external alchemy.

But I believe it should work similarly to internal alchemy bcoz it is def-ly based on the same principles. How you can purify urself from impurities? There must be smth that has pure Yang and pure Yin qualities and then making you more and more Yang. Yang is life and prosperity, Yin is death and degradation. But this is not DYING and ROTTING, it is the process of ascension and expansion. I would say it is purification ans refinement but not death and decay.

18 hours ago, silent thunder said:

Life is the ever shifting of one into another.  Awareness (the experience of being) itself is Alchemy. 

So just awareness is not Alchemy. You can be Yin Spirit and have awareness but very shallow one. May be they have they own Alchemy I dunno but it is not we are looking for. We need to know precise steps and concepts what and how to do, how to prevent degradation and death 

Edited 4 hours ago by Antares

[心神 ~]

2 hours ago, Antares said:

But this is not DYING and ROTTING, it is the process of ascension and expansion.

 

In your estimation: What is the dying and rotting process? What is the yin-as-death-and-degradation/ascension-expansion/purification-refinement process? How do these processes differ on both a practical and metaphorical level?

 

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We need to know precise steps and concepts what and how to do, how to prevent degradation and death

 

Why is it important to prevent degradation and death?

 

Edited 2 hours ago by 心神 ~

[Forestgreen]

1 hour ago, 心神 ~ said:

 

In your estimation: What is the dying and rotting process? 

My guess is that @Antares would say that dying and rotting is going with the flow, while southeast asian internal alchemy would reverse that process and go against the flow.

1 hour ago, 心神 ~ said:

What is the yin-as-death-and-degradation/ascension-expansion/purification-refinement process? How do these processes differ 

I would again guess that Antares would point to the answer above.

1 hour ago, 心神 ~ said:

Why is it important to prevent degradation and death?

Much guesswork here, but the most likely answer might be 1) So that one has the time to practice the alchemical process to perfection, and 2) the result would ideally be that one sheds the husk in a nice form made of light.