"Buddhism Has Nothing To Do With Vajrayana"

[BigSkyDiamond]

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Edited Friday at 08:28 PM by BigSkyDiamond
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[steve]

8 hours ago, Cobie said:

Cry emoji. What's up with that? Please don't confuse the little children

 

I was simply offering Apech a little friendly kanchō

 

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In reality, I don't know that much about the provenance or detailed history of Bön vajrayana practices. The Bön pantheon of deities and icons are different that those of Buddhism, some dating back to the early shamanistic origins of Bön that predated the subsequent intermixing with Indian Buddhism in Tibet. Bön and Buddhism have cross-pollinated quite a bit in Tibet with each tradition having its own ideas about how all of that transpired. I'm not too concerned with all of that, just grateful that I found my way to the practices and that they've done so much for me. 

[Cobie]

 

 

 

9 minutes ago, steve said:

… I'm not too concerned with all of that,

 

Sound idea imo. 
 

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just grateful that I found my way to the practices and that they've done so much for me. 

 

Exactly. 

 

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[Nungali]

3 hours ago, Cobie said:

 

 

Where’s the ‘Joie de Vivre’? Is Buddhism entirely [to use a @Nungali term] ‘black school’?
 

 

 

Apparently there is a new term for this specific branch /(s)   ....

 

 

"   Rascals "Buddhists " 

 

  

[Nungali]

2 hours ago, Cobie said:

 

“ The Three Schools of Magick: you have the yellow school, the black school, and the white school. …

 

The Black School 

… everything is heading towards nothing … it's best that you find some way of escaping the situation.

… the origin of the blackness itself as ignorance. 

… the situation you find yourself in is an illusion. “
 

( https://barbarouswords.substack.com/p/illuminated-magia-9-the-three-schools?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web )

 

 

 

 

I'm wondering   IF  you were going to quote that author  defining that topic  why did you snip that part ?  

 

I think this explains it better from the previous paragraph   ( and might clear up the 'Buddhist association'  ) : 

 

"  this is the black school, so you find it expressed in many different ways. And some versions of Buddhism you can see that it's the black school. Some versions of any tradition you'll find elements from these three different schools, let's put it that way. So he's not just talking specifically about Buddhism ..."

[Cobie]

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[Nungali]

2 hours ago, 心神 ~ said:

 

From the author's description:

 

 

I think the author misunderstands the first noble truth (or maybe I do), which is that suffering exists. Or depending on the translation, reads: "The truth of suffering (dukkha)." I understand that to mean that there is a truth about the nature of suffering (and therefore exists), which the rest of the noble truths elaborates on. That's quite different from the idea that everything is suffering. 

 

From the author on the white school: 

 

 

From the "Christian" perspective, fear and sorrow can be released in the way suffering can be released, by realizing the nature of suffering in light of the true and transient nature of all things, thus making way for inner joy and peace. Sounds pretty Buddhist.

 

Isn't the failure to perceive the fact that existence is pure joy... ignorance and illusion?

 

It might not necessarily be so .... unless we adopt eh 'charitable' definition of ignorance  .   The perception  that 'existence is pure joy '  is the base to 'life being pure joy '   is a type of eudamonia  , and in some societies that is considered and even might be the 'normal state'   BUT it depends on certain qualifiers  ( eg leading a rational ,  virtuous  *   life , having communication and  direction of a tutelary Spirit , knowing and doing your life's work/ spiritual mission , ( True Will /  Khvarenah  )  , etc . 

 

Modern society and individuals have lost most of that , so in many cases 'existence becomes depression ' , to the extent the suicide rate climbs . 

 

I am not sure if ignorance or illusion is the right word here  ......  'trapped in a tragedy '  might be a more appropriate phrase . 

 

But of course none of this means that, at some time,  you are going to 'suffer'  ,  in some way ,    regardless .  

 

*  ie.  the old Greek definitions and ideas about this   Eg   'Virtue' is    excellence and 'moral virtue'  but also includes 'the ideal state of a thing' .   . .  and other extensions to the concept .

 

 

 

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The defining feature of the black school? In that sense, shouldn't Buddhism be considered a "white" school? Or is Christianity actually a "black" school?

 

I guess I disagree with the categorization, and I'm not sure how it's very useful. I interpret Lao Zi, Buddha, and Christ to have been explicit that the highs and lows of joy and sorrow exist, both caused by our own inner turmoil, and that there is a way to free oneself and find equanimity by meditating on the illusory nature of the human experience from the eternal perspective.

 

Edited Friday at 10:06 PM by Nungali

[Nungali]

1 hour ago, steve said:

 

I was simply offering Apech a little friendly kanchō

 

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"  Owww !  " 

 

 

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Edited Friday at 10:07 PM by Nungali

[Nungali]

 

Steve !   Cut it out or I will report you !  

[Nungali]

8 minutes ago, Cobie said:

 

Indeed.  Anyway, I have decided to adopt the idea that Buddhism is ‘black school Magic’.

 

 

 

Its a point of view or interpretation .  

 

A few Buddhists I have met   (  ummm, I actually mean monks / Lama  ) seem to be walking around and happy  in life . 

[Salvijus]

On 2025-08-15 at 6:05 PM, Cobie said:

 

Which “lineage of masters” Buddhism do you practice? 

 

 

 

The one that is responsible for agni yoga. 

[Krenx]

Treat them as different religions. Like how one would treat Christianity as distinct from Islam. 

 

Because the teachings and goals for early buddhism, vs Mahayana/ tibetan/zen, later teachings are different and often contradictory.

 

That way things make more sense, and you can continue the path you choose.