Initiation

[Giles]

6 hours ago, Surya said:

So, does initiation has to be people dressed in black robes and sacrificing babies, or can it also be like… you just sort of in?

 

 

No black robes allowed! 😊

 

Chinos and a shirt usually, as far as I'm concerned anyway.

 

😊

 

[doc benway]

2 minutes ago, Giles said:

 

No black robes allowed! 😊

 

Chinos and a shirt usually, as far as I'm concerned anyway.

 

😊

 

 

So that's what happened to the old Jake from State Farm!

And that's why the site's anonymous!

It all makes sense now.

 

 

[Surya]

Looking at the language used in the OPs link, as well as our vocabulary, it is kind of curious how the concept of light, shining, spark, radiating, halo, fire and related terms keeps coming up with when we are talking about the highest realizations: enlightenment.

Why is that, do you think?

[Nungali]

12 hours ago, Surya said:

So, does initiation has to be people dressed in black robes and sacrificing babies, or can it also be like… you just sort of in?

 

No , in many cases it starts of with you being naked . 

 

However , if you  make it through to actually become an initiate some might then give you or you to obtain a black robe . This signifies you   are a blank slate, an empty bucket , in darkness  or ignorance , etc .   Eventually through other initiations or 'sub degrees ' (in some cases )  'stars' will appear (insignia) on the blackness .   Then more robes are accrued ; eg  'Outer robe of concealment' , 'inner robe of glory ' , etc . All symbolic of  the psychic systems of the body and regulating your life . 

 

Sacrificing babies  ?  Well maybe , depending on how devoted to the oath you are ... many find it very difficult, suffer long delays and have to drop off the path due to family and children committeemen .... maybe that's why  monks don't get married a lot of the time ? 

 

One needs to approach the term sacrifice with ultimate  caution ... otherwise they might make 'a great miss' .  

 

In any case , we expect any would be candidate for initiation should have already a modicum   of decency , be unpsychotic and also be sponsored by  some  current members that can attest to that . 

 

What does 'you just sort of in' mean  ?  

[Surya]

5 minutes ago, Nungali said:

Sacrificing babies  ?  Well maybe , depending on how devoted to the oath you are ... many find it very difficult, suffer long delays and have to drop off the path due to family and children committeemen .... maybe that's why  monks don't get married a lot of the time ? 

 

One needs to approach the term sacrifice with ultimate  caution ... otherwise they might make 'a great miss' .  

 

In any case , we expect any would be candidate for initiation should have already a modicum   of decency , be unpsychotic and also be sponsored by  some  current members that can attest to that . 

So the younglings didn’t have to die?

 

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What does 'you just sort of in' mean  ? 

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[Nungali]

6 hours ago, Giles said:

 

No black robes allowed! 😊

 

Chinos and a shirt usually, as far as I'm concerned anyway.

 

😊

 

 

That will work !  

 

Woman applying to us for initiation years ago ; 

 

" What should I wear to my initiation ... I have made a beautiful robe , should I wear that ? " 

 

- 'Street clothes , are sufficient . ' 

 

" But I made this beautiful robe covered with stuff for it ! "

 

- 'every day attire' is recommended .... do you go out wearing it as 'every day attire' ' 

 

" Well ..... no     but  think I should wear it to a magical ceremony " 

 

-  in which symbolism will be important  and later meditated upon . 

 

( one of the initiation  'officers '    later , out of earshot  :  " Besides , she gonna be stripped naked after a few minutes anyway and her clothes tossed outside !      "  )  

[Nungali]

6 hours ago, Surya said:

Looking at the language used in the OPs link, as well as our vocabulary, it is kind of curious how the concept of light, shining, spark, radiating, halo, fire and related terms keeps coming up with when we are talking about the highest realizations: enlightenment.

Why is that, do you think?

 

Do your I.E. etymology on it    

[Nungali]

3 minutes ago, Surya said:

So the younglings didn’t have to die?

 

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Maybe your 'youngling self' has to die . 

 

I don't recommend  seeking initiation substitutes  from star wars or modern media  stuff ..... although it would not surprise me here on DBs ... 

were people tout initiation  from  ' AI  master '    ! 

[Surya]

4 minutes ago, Nungali said:

 

 

Maybe your 'youngling self' has to die . 

 

I don't recommend  seeking initiation substitutes  from star wars or modern media  stuff ..... although it would not surprise me here on DBs ... 

were people tout initiation  from  ' AI  master '    ! 

Gnosis with a sense of humor, what more can one ask for. I feel like many of these tales (like Star Wars, lord of the rings, dune, Harry Potter and a bunch more) have a lot of depth, tho.

[Surya]

19 minutes ago, Nungali said:

What does 'you just sort of in' mean  ?  

https://youtu.be/jBCoyeSItVs?si=zEFDXXglayxEny_e

Maybe like this?

 

Edited Thursday at 01:38 AM by Surya

[Giles]

5 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

That will work !  

 

Woman applying to us for initiation years ago ; 

 

" What should I wear to my initiation ... I have made a beautiful robe , should I wear that ? " 

 

- 'Street clothes , are sufficient . ' 

 

" But I made this beautiful robe covered with stuff for it ! "

 

- 'every day attire' is recommended .... do you go out wearing it as 'every day attire' ' 

 

" Well ..... no     but  think I should wear it to a magical ceremony " 

 

-  in which symbolism will be important  and later meditated upon . 

 

( one of the initiation  'officers '    later , out of earshot  :  " Besides , she gonna be stripped naked after a few minutes anyway and her clothes tossed outside !      "  )  

 

I definitely don't strip either the men or the women and toss their clothes outside.

 

🤣

 

[Giles]

In any case, as I said, it's possible to initiate remotely in this particular Sangha.

 

😊

 

[Giles]

Anyone doubting that can give it a go on the 1st of July if they seriously want to be Enlightened.

 

😊

 

There is minimal preparation required, as is detailed in my OP.

 

😊

 

Again, as stated, I'm prepared to do it the old-fashioned, hands-on way if it's mutually convenient and this Initiation is free with no strings attached.

 

😊

 

[Nungali]

5 hours ago, Surya said:

Gnosis with a sense of humor, what more can one ask for. I feel like many of these tales (like Star Wars, lord of the rings, dune, Harry Potter and a bunch more) have a lot of depth, tho.

 

That's because they follow a certain story line development  ...  take Star Wars for example : 

 

George Lucas, the creator of Star Wars, specifically referenced the works of Joseph Campbell and the hero's journey, as well as classical mythology and historical events like the Vietnam War. 

 

Dune ?   ( I always suspected he was an initiate 'of a certain order' ... or at least read their rituals .   ) 

[Nungali]

5 hours ago, Surya said:

https://youtu.be/jBCoyeSItVs?si=zEFDXXglayxEny_e

Maybe like this?

 

 

Hang on  .... not all groups are the same and some are corrupt .  

 

Some groups will take anyone , some are rather stuffy and exclusive , and some '' are open to all men and women, free, of age and of 'good report ' ."

 

  

 

(and some find that shocking !   and others DEMAND that are be no secrets   and it should be available to all, without regulation  or consideration of the person group or tradition ) 

[Nungali]

15 minutes ago, Giles said:

 

I definitely don't strip either the men or the women and toss their clothes outside.

 

🤣

 

 

Of course you would not ... that's a little hard to do ON LINE 

 

  

 

BY the way  , being nude at your first initiation is pretty normal ... even for something as 'innicenmt' as Wicca .... 'skyclad' they call it . 

 

Also for an indigenous one ... before you even get NEAR the place " Right .... hand over your clothes , your watch, any tool or anything you have on you  .  Just how you 'came into the is world ' 

 

and later on they 'chuck you out' into the wilderness like that ... for the more advanced initiation ...  I know guys that been through that  ... start of nude in the wilderness with nothing ; make your tools and weapons, hunt your food make your shelter ... survive  and come back 2 months later glowing happy and healthy ... pass !  

 

You are now a 'real man ' and a 'proper humans '    

 

Wanna meet one of them ?  

 

Here is Luke - a GEM of a guy ! 

 

 

[Surya]

12 hours ago, Nungali said:

Dune ?   ( I always suspected he was an initiate 'of a certain order' ... or at least read their rituals .   ) 

Mhm, I listened to it on audio tho, and the way it was written (jumping back and forth) as well reading it in a foreign language made it hard to follow. So I mainly relied on the movies. But loads of interesting aspects, like Paul’s education, his psychic ability, the question of how to rule/use his gifts… the blue eyed fremen in the desert, spice and some jihad to top it off…

 

A thread on movies inspired by… what to call it, «a certain order», I guess and their esoteric meanings could be fascinating.

 

Lord of the rings fascinates me as well. I have read the books, but again, focusing mainly on the movies… what a piece of art. Can’t believe it is possible. Tempted to believe it is either inspired by higher powers, or is made by a large group of people. Could probably be said that every form of creative action, anything requiring spirit, is inspired by something else, but but.

Plato’s ring of Gyges was likley a huge inspiration. A ring that turns the user invisible, asking the question of how good of a person are you when no one’s watching. The warrior king is one of the few strong enough, and therefore… worthy of the crown. And like another warrior king, Arjuna, he restores order. Brought balance to the force, so to speak

 

Like Christ in Easter (according to the catholic tradition) he enters the realm of the dead for three days, bringing them back to life. He was quite fascinated by Germanic myth and folklore as well, I think is fairly evident. Probably drew from a lot of other traditions.

 

Also he was, very understandably, shaken by what he saw happening to the natural environment due to industrialization as well as ww1. To get a little creepy we could go talk about orcs and the all seing eye and stuff, but prob better leave it be.

 

 

Fascinating stuff, stories.