Apech Posted March 22 Hi Healthy Bums, my latest eye test showed I have borderline high eye pressure which could lead to glaucoma. I was wondering if anyone knows any good qi gong or herbal remedies that might help me reduce the pressure before my next test. thanks! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve Posted March 22 Here is a study on some commonly used remedies and the bibliography should be useful. It is biased towards Western medical paradigm so take that into consideration. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7309662/ 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kojiro Posted March 22 I don't know if it is the same, but my right eye is very red as of lately, specially on days when i wake up early. It is quite red to say the truth. Any idea of how to improve this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apech Posted March 22 4 minutes ago, Kojiro said: I don't know if it is the same, but my right eye is very red as of lately, specially on days when i wake up early. It is quite red to say the truth. Any idea of how to improve this? I don’t think that is the same as high pressure doesn’t usually have symptoms in the early stages. I suggest you go for a check up and see if there’s any problem with your eye. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kojiro Posted March 22 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Apech said: I don’t think that is the same as high pressure doesn’t usually have symptoms in the early stages. I suggest you go for a check up and see if there’s any problem with your eye. what can a medical doctor do to fix my eye? absolutely nothing, that would be an utter waste of time. And i don't like to lose my time! Edited March 22 by Kojiro Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maddie Posted March 22 2 hours ago, Apech said: Hi Healthy Bums, my latest eye test showed I have borderline high eye pressure which could lead to glaucoma. I was wondering if anyone knows any good qi gong or herbal remedies that might help me reduce the pressure before my next test. thanks! I currently have a glaucoma patient. This is what I prescribed her. https://www.activeherb.com/qiju/ I also recommend acupressure on GB 37 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maddie Posted March 22 34 minutes ago, Kojiro said: what can a medical doctor do to fix my eye? A lot 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Taomeow Posted March 22 I read this book, by two Yale researchers if I remember correctly, when it first came out in 1997. I remember one of its main conclusions: there's nothing that works better to lower intraocular pressure than marijuana. And for severe glaucoma, it's been presented as sometimes the only salvation. The most prescribed glaucoma drops, pilocarpine, constitute an alkaloid obtained from a jungle medicine herb, pilocarpa, native to South America. I don't know how the natives used the plant itself and how they fared, but the pharmaceutical version is highly toxic and many people find it hard to tolerate. MJ, on the other hand, is well tolerated by many, but I don't know what its legal status and/or availability are in your parts. If that's not a problem, try to make sure you steer clear of the GM strains. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apech Posted March 22 38 minutes ago, Maddie said: I currently have a glaucoma patient. This is what I prescribed her. https://www.activeherb.com/qiju/ I also recommend acupressure on GB 37 Is this it Maddie? https://pharmashop.orientalmed.pt/shop/20-tonificam-o-yin-bu-yin-ji/74-qi-ju-di-huang-pian-lycii-form Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apech Posted March 22 3 minutes ago, Taomeow said: I read this book, by two Yale researchers if I remember correctly, when it first came out in 1997. I remember one of its main conclusions: there's nothing that works better to lower intraocular pressure than marijuana. And for severe glaucoma, it's been presented as sometimes the only salvation. The most prescribed glaucoma drops, pilocarpine, constitute an alkaloid obtained from a jungle medicine herb, pilocarpa, native to South America. I don't know how the natives used the plant itself and how they fared, but the pharmaceutical version is highly toxic and many people find it hard to tolerate. MJ, on the other hand, is well tolerated by many, but I don't know what its legal status and/or availability are in your parts. If that's not a problem, try to make sure you steer clear of the GM strains. Despite Portugal's reputation its not legal here. what do people think of Gingko? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maddie Posted March 22 11 minutes ago, Apech said: Is this it Maddie? https://pharmashop.orientalmed.pt/shop/20-tonificam-o-yin-bu-yin-ji/74-qi-ju-di-huang-pian-lycii-form It sure is Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apech Posted March 22 8 minutes ago, Maddie said: It sure is What do you think of Gingko? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maddie Posted March 22 4 minutes ago, Apech said: What do you think of Gingko? It's supposed to be good for memory I think if I remember correctly :-P 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kakapo Posted March 23 (edited) 6 hours ago, Apech said: Hi Healthy Bums, my latest eye test showed I have borderline high eye pressure which could lead to glaucoma. I was wondering if anyone knows any good qi gong or herbal remedies that might help me reduce the pressure before my next test. thanks! Cut out coffee and caffeine. Coffee even decaf raises IOP, so does anything with caffeine in it. Ginger: Antiglaucoma Activity of Aqueous Methanolic Zingiber officinale Extract on Carbomer Induced Glaucoma in Rabbits. Abstract: http://www.informaticsjournals.com/index.php/jnr/article/view/82 Full PDF: http://www.informaticsjournals.com/index.php/jnr/article/view/82/81 Ginger: Effect of Orally Administered Zingiber Officinale on the Intra Ocular Pressure of Experimental Rabbits Abstract: http://www.ajol.info/index.php/ijhr/article/view/47911 Full PDF: http://www.ajol.info/index.php/ijhr/article/view/47911/34280 Ginger (among other things) The Role of Transforming Growth Factor β in Glaucoma and the Therapeutic Implications https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23322881/ Targeting Transforming Growth Factor-β Signaling in Primary Open-Angle Glaucoma https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28169917/ The Role of TGF-β in the Pathogenesis of Primary Open-Angle Glaucoma https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22101332/ From other studies it shows that Ginger is a natural TGF-β inhibitor, but yet there are no commercial TGF-β inhibitors on the market for glaucoma. Trabecular mesh network which lets fluid flow out of your eyes, it seems that TGF-β causes this tissue to stiffen and reducing it allows it to become more elastic and allow fluid to drain easier. Edited March 23 by kakapo 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Taomeow Posted March 23 3 hours ago, Apech said: Despite Portugal's reputation its not legal here. Not even medicinal? In CA, before they legalized it, for a while it was legal for MDs to prescribe it for chemo patients and for glaucoma. It did have a dubious status at the time because of the discrepancies between the state law and the federal law -- so the state allowed dispensaries for medical weed available with prescription, while the feds raided them and confiscated the goodies on a fairly regular basis. So not every doctor was willing to prescribe it, but it was possible to find one who would. 3 hours ago, Apech said: What do you think of Gingko? It' supposed to improve brain health and, in particular, blood flow to the brain, but when I tried it, it gave me a headache. I'm not prone to headaches (knock on wood) so I'm fairly sure it wasn't a coincidence. Might give it another try, it was a long time ago. If it helps with intraocular pressure, this may be part of the overall effects, but I haven't seen or heard anything on the subject (doesn't mean anything of course, I wasn't looking closely.) I think herbs that are in general reputed to improve eye health might be useful -- bilberry, eyebright, goji berries, Chinese chrysanthemum. Fat soluble vitamins. Fish oil. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apech Posted March 23 Thanks to all for herbal advice. Does anyone have any qi gong tips - I already do palming. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Taoist Texts Posted March 23 16 hours ago, Apech said: high eye pressure the cause of it: On 2/9/2024 at 10:00 AM, Taoist Texts said: since the commenters miss the point by a mile, i will explain. yours is a typical case of liver stagnation The liver externally opens into the eyes https://karger.com/imi/article/4/1-2/39/176279/Liver-in-the-Chinese-and-Western-Medicine 1 hour ago, Apech said: any qi gong tips https://buddhismnow.com/2015/09/12/zen-sickness-by-zen-master-hakuin/ The Soft-Butter Method a secret one Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apech Posted March 23 1 hour ago, Taoist Texts said: the cause of it: The liver externally opens into the eyes https://karger.com/imi/article/4/1-2/39/176279/Liver-in-the-Chinese-and-Western-Medicine https://buddhismnow.com/2015/09/12/zen-sickness-by-zen-master-hakuin/ The Soft-Butter Method a secret one Thank you @Taoist Texts that was actually helpful. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maddie Posted March 23 4 hours ago, Apech said: Thanks to all for herbal advice. Does anyone have any qi gong tips - I already do palming. that was going to be my tip lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dedicated Posted March 24 On 23/03/2024 at 8:41 AM, Apech said: what do people think of Gingko Gingko is great, I take it. Helps with a lot of things and could be helpful, my aunt drinks Gingko and Hawthorne tea, partly for eyes. My Grandma taught us eye exercises. Look up, look down, look left, look right, look left and up, then move eyes to down right, then up right, then down left, then move eyes around in a clockwise direction, then anti clockwise. Also my Grandma would jump to turn the nearest lamp on whenever we were spotted reading. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gerard Posted March 26 What is causing the problem in the first place? Excessive computer/smartphone use? Lack of daily grounding? Remember: the Liver opens in the eyes. Any Liver issues will reflect in eye problems (amongst a myriad of other conditions), Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apech Posted March 26 4 hours ago, Gerard said: What is causing the problem in the first place? Excessive computer/smartphone use? Lack of daily grounding? Remember: the Liver opens in the eyes. Any Liver issues will reflect in eye problems (amongst a myriad of other conditions), thanks … I think it is mostly congenital as my father had the same problem at exactly my age. I probably do spend too much time online and perhaps I should cut this- but who else will then be posting inanities on DaoBums? Can you recommend and qi gong for eyes and liver? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gerard Posted March 27 (edited) Five years ago I was told by optometrist my eyes were starting to get into the condition of ocular hypertension which in the old age could turn into a glaucoma. Mind you back then I wasn't even doing a 1/4 of the grounding I did today. I understood why He Jinghan is a grounding specialist. Today I I 100% backup his entire YT channel. We have become excessively visual and tech obsessed which is all a manifestation of excessive Wood movement. I was born like that, like most of the Western world: study, watch, TV, computers, smartphones, excessive thinking. How to fix it with exercise is my only recommendation tbh: 1. Long walks in nature, the longer the better. 2. Asian squat as often as you like on a daily basis. Do it straight after any computer, smartphone, TV and mental activity like study or academic work, research and the like. Stay low relaxed and breathing moving the Qi down to your feet and deep into the earth starting from the top of the head. Mind leads the Qi. It works wonders. Other than that Ba Gua Zhang. Why? Because it's a very Wood type of internal art. You'll be constantly moving which in turn stimulates the movement of Qi and blood. It will nourish and open your eyes. Also walking meditation many hours a day (Vipassana), but it is tedious and boring unless you practice in the natural environment. Edited March 27 by Gerard Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EFreethought Posted March 27 39 minutes ago, Gerard said: Stay low relaxed and breathing moving the Qi down to your feet and deep into the earth starting from the top of the head. What if someone does not live on the ground floor? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gerard Posted March 27 (edited) Street, park, anywhere outdoors. It's what I do. Asians do that too anywhere. Edited March 27 by Gerard Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
