My Experience With Black Magic

[Nungali]

That ^  is in the Hawsbury River , I grew up on sandstone  -  the 'Hawksbury Basin' it is called  as a geological area  , I was at the southern extent ;  waterways, bushland and sandstone cliffs, rock shelves , caves , ledges , the flora  ....    

 

       

 

 

     

 

               

 

The subtropical rainforest is nice  ( where I am now ) but its a bit 'muddy' .   I often long to get back in that environment . 

[Nuralshamal]

@Lala Nila

African Voodoo is pretty much just like any shamanistic tradition world wide, it's all the same. It's almost identical to hinduism, qigong and daoism as well. There's life force animating the universe, we should be in harmony with that, and magic is simply working with this life force as well as the ancestors, spirits and Gods.

Thanks for sharing about your javanese connection, very interesting!

Yes, all the ancestor energy is present in our physical body, and some of them might even be following us and helping us daily or just from time to time.

Some stories about my grandfather. He was a typical "caribbean man" in the sense that he had a baby mama everywhere, children in Haiti we didn't know about, in the US with a different woman, 4 kids with 3 different women here in Scandinavia, 2 in Ireland with another women, and God knows how many else spread across the globe.

He didn't really know his father, but was close with his mother. However his mother died when he was just 7, so he was sent to live with distant relatives in the US.

Since that time his mom would come in his dreams and give him life guidance and messages.

As he was a very free spirit who liked to travel here and there, suddenly we wouldn't hear from him for 6 months to a year, but suddenly he would call and warn us of a dream he had. And everytime it came true.

E.g. employees stealing money from my dad's business, my dad's relationship breaking (divorce from my mom), my dad's relationship about to break with his new girlfriend, he would call and give the dream warnings about what was about to happen. But my dad is quite the rebel, also because my grandfather wasn't there for him so much when he was younger, so he never listened to the advice.

Once my grandfather didn't have money, his mother came in a dream and gave him the numbers to the lottery, and he won using those numbers.

Once he used to hang out in a boxing gym when my dad was young and on the national team. They were 3-4 old retired guys, just coming for the hang out daily. My grandfather was one of them. My dad was a fighter. One morning on the bus, my grandfather ran into one of the other old guys. They were chatting just like normal on the bus. However once they reached the gym, the other guy didn't get off. My grandfather thought it was super weird. He told my grandfather to tell the others, that he was doing well but he wasn't coming in, he was going somewhere else.

When he arrived and met my dad and the other old guys, he passed the message. The old guys were shocked and got tears in their eyes, because that guy from the bus had died during the night. So it was his soul that came to my grandfather, as my grandfather was the only one who could see and hear him.

I could go on and on, there are so many more stories, also my own personal stories of dreams! 

Edited yesterday at 08:54 AM by Nuralshamal

[Kasper]

Hi Nuralshamal

I read previously that you practiced Spring Forest Qigong. Couldn't Master Lin help? Perhaps his blessings meditations?

[Nuralshamal]

1 hour ago, Kasper said:

Hi Nuralshamal

I read previously that you practiced Spring Forest Qigong. Couldn't Master Lin help? Perhaps his blessings meditations?

Hey Kasper,

Thanks for your suggestion!

I actually paid enormeous amounts to get a bunch of one-on-ones with him, but alas, he said pretty much straight to my face he wasn't powerful enough to stop the black magic. And the things he suggested I was to do myself didn't work, even though I paid so much damn money, again, and again, and again, for many sessions.

It really, really hurt financially and in my heart to go through that, and just feel he personally didn't care at all, he wasn't powerful enough to help, and he honestly just wanted to convert me to weekly revenue so he could get more money, even though he didn't help nor care about me. And the amount per session was honestly obscene compared to what you got

Of all the gurus I went to, he demanded the largest amount of money, yet he helped me the least, and personally cared the least. It was devastating, heart breaking, honestly. Because he seems so friendly and caring on all his videos and in front of the crowds during the public classes, but on a person-to-person basis, personally, that's just not his true personality

He was one of the "qigong healers/masters" I mentioned in my very first long post, at that time I just didn't want to name him, but now that you yourself bring it up, I realize it's just a matter of fact, it's just the truth, that's just what happened, no reason to hide it

Like I said, the hindu and sufis I went to charged no money, yet they helped me the most, personally cared, and actually helped me the best they could

It was a huge let down personally to go through, I really trusted him

[Nungali]

..... and there you have it   ^ 

 

Charging money corrupts .   I have never done it for any magical or spiritual services or even for martial arts instruction . 

 

The plain and simple matter is ... these guys fool the spiritually gullible when they are vulnerable  ... regardless of how they come across, market themselves , get praise , etc .

 

Those that do not charge money have no reason to fake, lie to you , etc . rii

[Lala Nila]

16 hours ago, Nungali said:

That ^  is in the Hawsbury River , I grew up on sandstone  -  the 'Hawksbury Basin' it is called  as a geological area  , I was at the southern extent ;  waterways, bushland and sandstone cliffs, rock shelves , caves , ledges , the flora  ....    

 

       

 

 

     

 

               

 

The subtropical rainforest is nice  ( where I am now ) but its a bit 'muddy' .   I often long to get back in that environment . 

 

Gorgeous place, how fortunate to live near such beauty Nungali!  The twisty tree is very cool..that first pic looks like a tortoise. I've always wanted to go to Australia-I had plans out of high school to go travel there, but a teacher talked me out of it. lol

 

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2 hours ago, Nungali said:

Those that do not charge money have no reason to fake, lie to you , etc . rii

 

I believe this too. The but also I understand something that requires a lot of skill, energy and possible risk, needs something else in return. In your opinion, what would be an appropriate exchange for help like this if not money? Is an exchange really even necessary ? 

 

 

 

@Nuralshamal

 

You have a very interesting background too, I knew a lot of Caribbean people growing up, Jamaicans mostly, some Cubanos y Dominicanos too. Do you have the same types of prophetic dreams as your father/grandfather? That is a very touching story about the bus btw.

[Nungali]

4 hours ago, Lala Nila said:

I believe this too. The but also I understand something that requires a lot of skill, energy and possible risk, needs something else in return. In your opinion, what would be an appropriate exchange for help like this if not money? Is an exchange really even necessary ?

 

I would hope that if one is doing such work it is because they want to do it , it is an expression of their True Will and / or 'service  '   ie. 'enjoyable ' .... even joy generating . 

 

I also hope that things work out naturally including 'exchanges'  , one guy that came for training, after a while noticed my roof gutters full with leaves  so he got up there and cleaned them all out . Stuff like that .  

 

 

[Kasper]

8 hours ago, Nuralshamal said:

Hey Kasper,

Thanks for your suggestion!

I actually paid enormeous amounts to get a bunch of one-on-ones with him, but alas, he said pretty much straight to my face he wasn't powerful enough to stop the black magic. And the things he suggested I was to do myself didn't work, even though I paid so much damn money, again, and again, and again, for many sessions.

It really, really hurt financially and in my heart to go through that, and just feel he personally didn't care at all, he wasn't powerful enough to help, and he honestly just wanted to convert me to weekly revenue so he could get more money, even though he didn't help nor care about me. And the amount per session was honestly obscene compared to what you got

Of all the gurus I went to, he demanded the largest amount of money, yet he helped me the least, and personally cared the least. It was devastating, heart breaking, honestly. Because he seems so friendly and caring on all his videos and in front of the crowds during the public classes, but on a person-to-person basis, personally, that's just not his true personality

He was one of the "qigong healers/masters" I mentioned in my very first long post, at that time I just didn't want to name him, but now that you yourself bring it up, I realize it's just a matter of fact, it's just the truth, that's just what happened, no reason to hide it

Like I said, the hindu and sufis I went to charged no money, yet they helped me the most, personally cared, and actually helped me the best they could

It was a huge let down personally to go through, I really trusted him

Ah, sorry to hear that. And thank you for the answer.

 

Have you noticed any difference in him the last few years? I have a feeling that many very advanced teachers have changed in recent years, perhaps unknowingly gotten involved in less than divine entities, thinking they are divine. I have heard that it is the case with many after 2012. My sense is that Master Lin maybe one of them (2024-2025). But Im no expert.

[Nuralshamal]

@Kasper

Yes, I feel like he changed after his wife died, understandably.

I also feel he might have grown dis-illusioned with his lifestyle.

So I feel he tried "the american way", got some plastic surgery done, trying to max out his money and get rich, just trying new things instead of "being himself".

And yes, the over-commercialization is definitely a big part there too.

He's kind of root-less, "in-between" Chinese and American culture, growing up with war and survival, social prestige, money and power being number 1, then the American society with competition, crushing rivals, free sexuality etc.

Maybe he's a bit lost now in his old age after his wife died and his kids don't really want to see him, because he himself is between cultures and so are his kids. Also the "pressure" to live up to a certain image as a qigong guru, the whole "image" vs reality, this is something I felt a lot with all the people in his organisation. 

Anyway, at the end of the day he's just a human being like the rest of us, struggling with the challenges that come with being a human being on this planet.

[Nuralshamal]

3 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

I would hope that if one is doing such work it is because they want to do it , it is an expression of their True Will and / or 'service  '   ie. 'enjoyable ' .... even joy generating . 

 

I also hope that things work out naturally including 'exchanges'  , one guy that came for training, after a while noticed my roof gutters full with leaves  so he got up there and cleaned them all out . Stuff like that .  

 

 

Just saw your mention of "True Will", are you by any chance involved with the Diamond Approach or Diamond Logos? 

[Nuralshamal]

@Lala Nila

Yes, me, my dad and cousins all have it, albeit not as strongly.

He had it like clockwork, whenever something was about to go down, very related to the material world and survival, the close ones, the family etc.

Whereas for me it's mostly related to spiritual guidance, but I also get dreams of warnings sometimes, or guidance about the people close to me in everyday life (their true character and motives etc).

My wife never had dreams her whole life, as soon as we moved in together, she started getting it too. Now it's almost a daily breakfast topic before we hit the day, we talk about our dreams and what they meant. So it's there in my energy field somehow.

Now that she started getting dreams it's always about her family and how they're doing. Mine is mostly spiritual guidance as I said, but also what's happening with my family, and sometimes material warnings or guidance. Ofc also the odd psychological dream about my own emotional unconscious every now and then, but usually when I wake it's quite clear what kind of dream it was (psychological or spiritual). Also whenever people cross over, I usually dream of them, see their current state, exchange last words, sometimes help them if they're lost. I cannot always do it in the dream, then I do it in my meditation during the day.

I noticed that most non-white people naturally have all these things, a natural connection to spirit, intuition, gut instinct, dreams and the ancestors. Because my one side of the family all have it, whereas the white don't at all.

And ofc growing up in majority white society, no one could really mirror these things back to me, as it was just outside their experience, they didn't know, didn't feel, didn't understand. All was mental.

Then when I was a teenager I got a lot of friends with immigrant background, serbians, iranians, people from the Middle East, and ALL had it, naturally. Gut instinct, dreams.

I also noticed it when I became a SKY master and started giving chakra initiations to people. Non-white people receive the energy much easier and more powerfully, it impacts them very deeply on a soul level much faster.

It was the same when I was doing qigong healing as taught by firstly Zhongxian Wu then later Chunyi Lin, this was between 2018-2022. All the non-white people would get visions, dreams, cry, see their deceased grandparents, they would get guidance in the session what had happened and what they needed to change, it was very natural and spontaneous, flowing.

I spoke with a sufi master about it, he himself obviously being from the Middle East, and he said he had observed the same. He said it's because each race is designed by God in a particular way, orginally more suitable for physical survival in particular climates, but later now it's related to the types of souls and the "karma" (from eastern perspective) they need to work out. Ofc in sufism they say it's the qadr or qismat, or destiny/fate written for that soul.

E.g. people from particular races, cultures and religions are meant to go through different types of karma and soul corrections.

Some examples of "nations" and their soul types according to Sufism and Kabbalah (just to give an idea):

For instance people born in Iraq are said to be souls with pure hearts, but as they were warriors in past lifetimes, in this life, no matter how innocent and friendly they are, people will attack them, betray them, fool them etc., it's their karma.

Whereas people born in Scandinavia or moving to live in Scandinavia are souls which are to learn about mental organisation and structure, but their challenge is that they become "removed" from life itself. Instead of efficiency and excellence, they become robotic and out of touch with life itself, hence the epidemic of mental ilness, unhappy families etc.

People born in the Carribean Islands are people who are naturally grounded, relaxed, at ease, in contact with the physical body, enjoy life naturally, but their challenge is that they become overtaken by sexual pleasure and rivalry too much.

Like that the "karmic scripts" of different races, cultures and nations are said to be a hint from Almighty God about ourselves and how to best correct our karma.

Edited 6 hours ago by Nuralshamal

[Lala Nila]

Hmmm, interesting theory, but I think it’s less related to skin colour and more related to modernization, industrialization, societal structures, politics and religious colonization (ie. Christianity). North Europeans had deep pagan and shamanistic roots prior to being forcibly colonized by the Church. The ties to the old ways and connections to those streams had been stamped out or dried up (for the most part), our ties to the divine feminine- The Great Mother was most dangerous to the power structure of the Catholic and later even the Protestant church-in where women were reduced to one of two ideas; Whore or Saint, our sacred sexuality stripped away, our knowledge of the magic of menses blood, birth and death rites fading into to history - or lets call that Herstory.

 

Luckily some stores such as the Eddas still survive, Odin- who seems very much like Thoth, The concept of Yggdrasil, and Valhalla for example. Once we lose or weaken our connection to ancestral beliefs we lose other abilities as well. If a “newly” Christian young girl or woman began to site prophetic dreams, she should very well have been burned at the steak. We often view Colonization as something that never happened in Europe, but it did. It came bearing a cross-you convert or you die. Another example would have been The Roman Empire calling the Germanic Tribes “dirty” uncivilized, subsequently many Germanic Tribe members were forced into slavery, villages massacred, women and children raped or murdered. Later the Germanic tribes would inhabit most places the Romans conquered in Europe. The Romans thought far less of the Celts as well, calling them “Wood Demons.” It’s a long story lol.

 

I also want to mention that Icelandic magick and Northern European paganism is still being kept alive today, although its practitioners remain a mere whisper of what it was prior to the conquest of the church. There is a resurgence of these practices. People can only be cut off from the ancestors for so long…Then the ancestors start calling and reminding. 

 

I also want to point out that Serbians and eastern Europeans are "White" and they have also been conquered by the church (Orthodox), yet many of their folk traditions remain, despite Marxism taking a stronghold in those regions as well as Russia. Same with the Greeks, though their ethnic admixture is pretty diverse.

Edited 4 hours ago by Lala Nila

[Lala Nila]

speaking of dreams, I had a very interesting one last night involving an ancient feline type creature. It was wild in temperament, had pointy ears that curved inward and short grey fur. The wild feline freaked my domesticated cats out in the dream. Maybe Bastet related, I was researching some Egyptian rites yesterday. 

[Nuralshamal]

I understand the uncomfortableness of grouping according to race and skin-colour due to the past decade of political correctness, and ofc the general history of mankind.

But it's not a theory produced mentally in someone's head.

There is a spiritual truth in race, like it or not, and I get that "white vs non-white" can be upgraded in terms of its definition and precision, just like you correctly state that eastern europeans are also white. It's just for ease of use, and it's not the color per se, it's the race or ethnic group.

If you develop your soul and energy, you can clearly feel that each race has a different type of soul and energy, it's not mental, it's not from someone's head, it's just a lived, experiential fact and truth. We've learnt to mentally block ourselves from sensing this, but it's a base truth everyone on planet Earth experiences easily, simply and immediately upon contact with other people. This felt, sensed and experiental fact is then what has led to all the problems (racism, slavery, genocide, ethnocentrism, you name it).

But that's like saying we shouldn't discuss apples and pears, as they're both fruits. Yes, but why not see things for what they are and then take it from there? It's the mental interpretation of the experience that's flawed, not the base, sensed, felt, matter-of-fact observation.

Races are different, it's just a fact. What we then do with that fact, okay, we can then discuss that.

I do agree that indo-europeans came from the same, that's why all the languages are in the same family, that's why Nordic mythology, Greek mythology, Hinduism, you name it, is so similar. It's literally the same source material, which then over millenia morphed, just like the languages.

E.g. Indra is god of thunder, Thor is god of thunder, Zeus is god of thunder etc. The word Friday is from "Freya's Day", Freya being the nordic god of love, sexuality and pleasure. In astrology friday is associated with Venus, and Friday is the best day for a lot of Goddess worship in Hinduism and so on. It's similar, because it's the same source - same original people or race, same original language, same original religion, which then slowly morphed over time as this one people spread geographically.

And I do agree with a lot of the historical, religious and cultural observations you mentioned.

People of different races, cultures and religions even have different auras, I'm not "an island", meaning I'm just one guy sharing my observations, Barbara Brennan who's put in pretty high regard in the white (sorry to use it again, I'm teasing you ) new age community, she's also clearly shared her observations about this, as has Rosalyn Bruyère.

There are differences, it's not a value judgement at all from my side, it's just a matter of fact observation, nothing wrong with that. We're all children of God, but our race is like our vehicle, e.g. some drive a ferrari, some a range rover, some a volkswagen, each has pros and cons, but there's no difference in inherent value, all bring their uniqueness to the table. I think it's beautiful, it's incredible how God created all this.

Just zoom in on two grains of sand on a beach, they will be different. Zoom in on two drops of water, they'll also be unique, same with two snowflakes. But grains of sand have something in common, they're sand, drops are water, and snowflakes are snowflakes. It's not a value judgement, it's just an observation.

[Nuralshamal]

And thanks for sharing about your dream, very fascinating. Yes, sounds like the sense impressions from your research lodged in your unconscious and replayed during the night as images.

[心神 ~]

3 hours ago, Nuralshamal said:

@Lala Nila

Yes, me, my dad and cousins all have it, albeit not as strongly.

He had it like clockwork, whenever something was about to go down, very related to the material world and survival, the close ones, the family etc.

Whereas for me it's mostly related to spiritual guidance, but I also get dreams of warnings sometimes, or guidance about the people close to me in everyday life (their true character and motives etc).

My wife never had dreams her whole life, as soon as we moved in together, she started getting it too. Now it's almost a daily breakfast topic before we hit the day, we talk about our dreams and what they meant. So it's there in my energy field somehow.

Now that she started getting dreams it's always about her family and how they're doing. Mine is mostly spiritual guidance as I said, but also what's happening with my family, and sometimes material warnings or guidance. Ofc also the odd psychological dream about my own emotional unconscious every now and then, but usually when I wake it's quite clear what kind of dream it was (psychological or spiritual). Also whenever people cross over, I usually dream of them, see their current state, exchange last words, sometimes help them if they're lost. I cannot always do it in the dream, then I do it in my meditation during the day.

I noticed that most non-white people naturally have all these things, a natural connection to spirit, intuition, gut instinct, dreams and the ancestors. Because my one side of the family all have it, whereas the white don't at all.

And ofc growing up in majority white society, no one could really mirror these things back to me, as it was just outside their experience, they didn't know, didn't feel, didn't understand. All was mental.

Then when I was a teenager I got a lot of friends with immigrant background, serbians, iranians, people from the Middle East, and ALL had it, naturally. Gut instinct, dreams.

I also noticed it when I became a SKY master and started giving chakra initiations to people. Non-white people receive the energy much easier and more powerfully, it impacts them very deeply on a soul level much faster.

It was the same when I was doing qigong healing as taught by firstly Zhongxian Wu then later Chunyi Lin, this was between 2018-2022. All the non-white people would get visions, dreams, cry, see their deceased grandparents, they would get guidance in the session what had happened and what they needed to change, it was very natural and spontaneous, flowing.

I spoke with a sufi master about it, he himself obviously being from the Middle East, and he said he had observed the same. He said it's because each race is designed by God in a particular way, orginally more suitable for physical survival in particular climates, but later now it's related to the types of souls and the "karma" (from eastern perspective) they need to work out. Ofc in sufism they say it's the qadr or qismat, or destiny/fate written for that soul.

E.g. people from particular races, cultures and religions are meant to go through different types of karma and soul corrections.

Some examples of "nations" and their soul types according to Sufism and Kabbalah (just to give an idea):

For instance people born in Iraq are said to be souls with pure hearts, but as they were warriors in past lifetimes, in this life, no matter how innocent and friendly they are, people will attack them, betray them, fool them etc., it's their karma.

Whereas people born in Scandinavia or moving to live in Scandinavia are souls which are to learn about mental organisation and structure, but their challenge is that they become "removed" from life itself. Instead of efficiency and excellence, they become robotic and out of touch with life itself, hence the epidemic of mental ilness, unhappy families etc.

People born in the Carribean Islands are people who are naturally grounded, relaxed, at ease, in contact with the physical body, enjoy life naturally, but their challenge is that they become overtaken by sexual pleasure and rivalry too much.

Like that the "karmic scripts" of different races, cultures and nations are said to be a hint from Almighty God about ourselves and how to best correct our karma.

 

This is a very interesting perspective. I asked ChatGPT to consider what karmic script white Anglo-Americans may be playing out, and it had this to say:

 

1. Ancestral Memory and Disconnect

 

Many indigenous and non-Western cultures have retained deep links to dreamwork, ancestors, and spirit because survival demanded it. Guidance from visions, intuition, or collective rituals was essential for navigating uncertainty. For white Anglo Americans, especially those shaped by centuries of Enlightenment rationalism, Protestant mental frameworks, and colonial expansion, there was a cultural severing from intuitive and ancestral memory. Dreams and spirit were demoted to “irrational,” while reason, efficiency, and control were elevated. The karmic imprint here is loss of embodied connection, a forgetting of how to listen.

 

2. Spiritual Purpose of White Anglo Americans

 

From a karmic perspective, souls incarnating in Anglo contexts may have chosen it not to inherit an unbroken lineage of spirit, but rather to learn how to reawaken what was forgotten. Their spiritual challenge is not an automatic connection, but the discipline of rediscovery:

• To bridge intellect with intuition without dismissing either.

• To humble the mind and allow heart and body to remember their rightful place.

• To transform alienation (from land, body, ancestors) into deep reverence for life and the Earth.

3. Karmic Connection

 

In both Kabbalah and Sufi frameworks, karma or qadr manifests as the correction of past imbalances. For white Anglo Americans, some key karmic corrections could be:

• From domination to stewardship: healing the karmic wound of colonization by becoming protectors of the Earth and allies to indigenous wisdom.

• From abstraction to embodiment: shifting from living in the head to re-entering the body, land, and senses.

• From isolation to interbeing: dissolving the illusion of individualism and rediscovering kinship with all peoples, creatures, and worlds.

 

In this way, the absence of strong inherited dream/ancestral capacities may itself be the “teaching field”—a harder soil that requires conscious cultivation, so the lesson is deeply earned.

 

Thus, the Anglo karmic path is not to “become like others,” but to integrate their mental organization and rational clarity with the reawakened ancestral spirit. The synthesis is their dharma. White Anglo Americans, karmically, are here to learn how to remember spirit after forgetting it, to reconnect intuition with intellect, and to transform the legacy of separation into one of integration, stewardship, and humility before the living cosmos.

 

Their lack is their teacher. Their task is not to envy the natural gifts of others, but to midwife a new balance—one where the mind bows to soul, and the heart leads once again.

 

Edited 3 hours ago by 心神 ~

[Lala Nila]

Yeah, no worries, I'm not easily offended at all. I don't run with the woke crowd or ideologies at all. There are undoubtable differences in race; morphology-skeletal, cranial structures, femur length, auras and spiritual adeptness, etc. Some races are better at somethings than others, it's an uncomfortable truth that is often used as a tool to discredit or give credit to various actions or personality traits. But, yeah..we are all of the creator, each of us has something special to add to the cake- and we all have our own struggles as well.

 

I do believe in oversoul dynamics as well. My point was one more so of egregores and how they can function, specifically the christian god (and yes, my use of a lower case is intentional) and how political egregores also serve as inhibitors to access spiritual streams and development as well. I think the modern Germanic peoples are a very good example of this. 

 

Energy flows where intention goes.

 

 

in your case with the black magic, I think it would have better (cheaper?) to use Middle Eastern based magic against the curse. Your wife, belonging to that particular oversoul and the magick being thrown at her would have been disabled with greater ease. The access points being easier to infiltrate; the practitioner would have been able to recognize and disable exactly what was happening, likely saving you thousands of $$$. Voodoo would have also been beneficial. I understand the concept behind fighting fire with water, but also I understand the concept of fighting fire by smothering- by a thick blanket - or with a greater more fantastical flame taken from the same fire pit. 

 

great discussion! I've enjoyed this thread quite a bit to  be honest, kept me on my toes. lol

[Lala Nila]

6 minutes ago, 心神 ~ said:

 

This is a very interesting perspective. I asked ChatGPT to consider what karmic script white Anglo-Americans may be playing out, and it had this to say:

 

1. Ancestral Memory and Disconnect

 

Many indigenous and non-Western cultures have retained deep links to dreamwork, ancestors, and spirit because survival demanded it. Guidance from visions, intuition, or collective rituals was essential for navigating uncertainty. For white Anglo Americans, especially those shaped by centuries of Enlightenment rationalism, Protestant mental frameworks, and colonial expansion, there was a cultural severing from intuitive and ancestral memory. Dreams and spirit were demoted to “irrational,” while reason, efficiency, and control were elevated. The karmic imprint here is loss of embodied connection, a forgetting of how to listen.

 

2. Spiritual Purpose of White Anglo Americans

 

From a karmic perspective, souls incarnating in Anglo contexts may have chosen it not to inherit an unbroken lineage of spirit, but rather to learn how to reawaken what was forgotten. Their spiritual challenge is not an automatic connection, but the discipline of rediscovery:

• To bridge intellect with intuition without dismissing either.

• To humble the mind and allow heart and body to remember their rightful place.

• To transform alienation (from land, body, ancestors) into deep reverence for life and the Earth.

3. Karmic Connection

 

In both Kabbalah and Sufi frameworks, karma or qadr manifests as the correction of past imbalances. For white Anglo Americans, some key karmic corrections could be:

• From domination to stewardship: healing the karmic wound of colonization by becoming protectors of the Earth and allies to indigenous wisdom.

• From abstraction to embodiment: shifting from living in the head to re-entering the body, land, and senses.

• From isolation to interbeing: dissolving the illusion of individualism and rediscovering kinship with all peoples, creatures, and worlds.

 

In this way, the absence of strong inherited dream/ancestral capacities may itself be the “teaching field”—a harder soil that requires conscious cultivation, so the lesson is deeply earned.

 

Thus, the Anglo karmic path is not to “become like others,” but to integrate their mental organization and rational clarity with the reawakened ancestral spirit. The synthesis is their dharma. White Anglo Americans, karmically, are here to learn how to remember spirit after forgetting it, to reconnect intuition with intellect, and to transform the legacy of separation into one of integration, stewardship, and humility before the living cosmos.

 

Their lack is their teacher. Their task is not to envy the natural gifts of others, but to midwife a new balance—one where the mind bows to soul, and the heart leads once again.

 

 

Yes! I forgot to mention the "Enlightenment" period and what happened as a consequent to "rationalism" great point!

 

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Thus, the Anglo karmic path is not to “become like others,” but to integrate their mental organization and rational clarity with the reawakened ancestral spirit. The synthesis is their dharma. White Anglo Americans, karmically, are here to learn how to remember spirit after forgetting it, to reconnect intuition with intellect, and to transform the legacy of separation into one of integration, stewardship, and humility before the living cosmos.

 

Thank you, this is a fantastic summary and makes sense to me. 

 

 

[Nuralshamal]

2 minutes ago, Lala Nila said:

Yeah, no worries, I'm not easily offended at all. I don't run with the woke crowd or ideologies at all. There are undoubtable differences in race; morphology-skeletal, cranial structures, femur length, auras and spiritual adeptness, etc. Some races are better at somethings than others, it's an uncomfortable truth that is often used as a tool to discredit or give credit to various actions or personality traits. But, yeah..we are all of the creator, each of us has something special to add to the cake- and we all have our own struggles as well.

 

I do believe in oversoul dynamics as well. My point was one more so of egregores and how they can function, specifically the christian god (and yes, my use of a lower case is intentional) and how political egregores also serve as inhibitors to access spiritual streams and development as well. I think the modern Germanic peoples are a very good example of this. 

 

Energy flows where intention goes.

 

 

in your case with the black magic, I think it would have better (cheaper?) to use Middle Eastern based magic against the curse. Your wife, belonging to that particular oversoul and the magick being thrown at her would have been disabled with greater ease. The access points being easier to infiltrate; the practitioner would have been able to recognize and disable exactly what was happening, likely saving you thousands of $$$. Voodoo would have also been beneficial. I understand the concept behind fighting fire with water, but also I understand the concept of fighting fire by smothering- by a thick blanket - or with a greater more fantastical flame taken from the same fire pit. 

 

great discussion! I've enjoyed this thread quite a bit to  be honest, kept me on my toes. lol

Just saw this post had you at a total of "108" posts (beneath your name to the left here on the forum, next to the messages).

108 is a significant number in hinduism, it has showed up a lot since I married my wife, whenever Almighty God wants to signal to me that something is Divine.

So I take it that our exchange has been divinely orchestrated to expand both of our minds

Yes of course, thanks for sharing your viewpoints, I agree and deeply appreciate it.

For sure, what saved us at the end of the day was mostly the sufi method using surah Ta-Ha, ayat 68-69 about Moses.

Btw, do you have any connections at all to Javanese spirituality? Have seen a lot of interesting stuff, as there's both daoist qigong (3 dan tien, 5 elements, 5 organ qi, cultivating qi, using it for healing through meridians and acupoints) alongside shamanistic ancestor and spirit magic, talismans, amulets etc, sufi/islamic work using the guardian angels of the names and verses, as well as of course hindu/buddhist elements.

Yeah me too, really enjoy our exchange

[Nuralshamal]

14 minutes ago, 心神 ~ said:

 

This is a very interesting perspective. I asked ChatGPT to consider what karmic script white Anglo-Americans may be playing out, and it had this to say:

 

1. Ancestral Memory and Disconnect

 

Many indigenous and non-Western cultures have retained deep links to dreamwork, ancestors, and spirit because survival demanded it. Guidance from visions, intuition, or collective rituals was essential for navigating uncertainty. For white Anglo Americans, especially those shaped by centuries of Enlightenment rationalism, Protestant mental frameworks, and colonial expansion, there was a cultural severing from intuitive and ancestral memory. Dreams and spirit were demoted to “irrational,” while reason, efficiency, and control were elevated. The karmic imprint here is loss of embodied connection, a forgetting of how to listen.

 

2. Spiritual Purpose of White Anglo Americans

 

From a karmic perspective, souls incarnating in Anglo contexts may have chosen it not to inherit an unbroken lineage of spirit, but rather to learn how to reawaken what was forgotten. Their spiritual challenge is not an automatic connection, but the discipline of rediscovery:

• To bridge intellect with intuition without dismissing either.

• To humble the mind and allow heart and body to remember their rightful place.

• To transform alienation (from land, body, ancestors) into deep reverence for life and the Earth.

3. Karmic Connection

 

In both Kabbalah and Sufi frameworks, karma or qadr manifests as the correction of past imbalances. For white Anglo Americans, some key karmic corrections could be:

• From domination to stewardship: healing the karmic wound of colonization by becoming protectors of the Earth and allies to indigenous wisdom.

• From abstraction to embodiment: shifting from living in the head to re-entering the body, land, and senses.

• From isolation to interbeing: dissolving the illusion of individualism and rediscovering kinship with all peoples, creatures, and worlds.

 

In this way, the absence of strong inherited dream/ancestral capacities may itself be the “teaching field”—a harder soil that requires conscious cultivation, so the lesson is deeply earned.

 

Thus, the Anglo karmic path is not to “become like others,” but to integrate their mental organization and rational clarity with the reawakened ancestral spirit. The synthesis is their dharma. White Anglo Americans, karmically, are here to learn how to remember spirit after forgetting it, to reconnect intuition with intellect, and to transform the legacy of separation into one of integration, stewardship, and humility before the living cosmos.

 

Their lack is their teacher. Their task is not to envy the natural gifts of others, but to midwife a new balance—one where the mind bows to soul, and the heart leads once again.

 

Pretty good points! ChatGPT is really improving.

Yes, I really feel that the soul-correction of Scandinavians, English, Anglos is pretty connected, but ofc with some variety in the spices used in this metaphorical karmic dish for each nation.

The whole thing about functionality, rationality, the mental and intellectual taking over everything, leading to invention, discovery and efficiency, thereby providing an exceptional framework for a well-functioning society with materialistic abundance and general safety and stability, yet now the challenge is the "content within the frame", that it doesn't grow too empty, dry and robotic.

So there's both a frame, as well as a beautiful and colorful painting within that frame. The inner and outer, yin yang, masculine feminine, rational order but also soulful substance and juicy aliveness.

Kind of the reverse of the Caribbean/African correction, so much soul, substance and juicy aliveness, but the challenge is order, efficiency and functionality.

My wife often says it's incredible how my 2 sides complement each other and can even co-exist, that I'm efficient in work and dealing with and overcoming our problems, yet sensual, sexual, fun, alive and juicy in the home, family life as well as our free time outside work  

Though for me the challenge is that I'm so "bored" and kind of surprised at the robotic, rigid lifeless people I'm with at work, where's the soul? No juice. I often ponder "are these people even alive? Is there someone "home" underneath somewhere?". Then again sometimes in the home when my head is switched off and I'm just a bunch of juicy, pulsating, animal, fleshy muscle organism having fun, I'm sometimes funnily and britishly "appaled" at the more instinctual, savage and aggressive natural reactions of my wife and her family when we have some issues and their dislike for "civilized solutions" :'D instead preferring to scream it out or even settle it by physical wrestling right in front of the whole family, "alas, everywhere I turn, there's nowhere for the son of man to rest his head" :'D 

Life is really magical and mysterious! A joyful headache  

[Kasper]

6 hours ago, Nuralshamal said:

@Kasper

Yes, I feel like he changed after his wife died, understandably.

I also feel he might have grown dis-illusioned with his lifestyle.

So I feel he tried "the american way", got some plastic surgery done, trying to max out his money and get rich, just trying new things instead of "being himself".

And yes, the over-commercialization is definitely a big part there too.

He's kind of root-less, "in-between" Chinese and American culture, growing up with war and survival, social prestige, money and power being number 1, then the American society with competition, crushing rivals, free sexuality etc.

Maybe he's a bit lost now in his old age after his wife died and his kids don't really want to see him, because he himself is between cultures and so are his kids. Also the "pressure" to live up to a certain image as a qigong guru, the whole "image" vs reality, this is something I felt a lot with all the people in his organisation. 

Anyway, at the end of the day he's just a human being like the rest of us, struggling with the challenges that come with being a human being on this planet.

Wow, it really didnt expect those things. How do you know he got plastic surgery and that he doesnt see his kids much, if you comfortable me asking?