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12 hours ago, C T said:

One can apply methods similar to this to train the diaphragm and align the sound/breath frequency to facilitate proper chanting:

 

 

 

I find it quite strange that Chandra acquired burning mouth syndrome and had to stop.  That is truly an odd manifestation for someone with that particular talent.

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Is anyone familiar with the work of Corine Sombrun? Her work leaves little doubt that specific sounds, in her case shamanic beats, can induce altered states and even healing. This Google talk is fascinating.

 

 

 

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13 hours ago, escott said:

Is anyone familiar with the work of Corine Sombrun? Her work leaves little doubt that specific sounds, in her case shamanic beats, can induce altered states and even healing. This Google talk is fascinating.

 

 

@escott  A totally fascinating video.  Thank you!
I mean Self-Induction!  I'd love to learn that. 

 

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On 8/31/2021 at 12:29 PM, manitou said:

 

 

I find it quite strange that Chandra acquired burning mouth syndrome and had to stop.  That is truly an odd manifestation for someone with that particular talent.

A fair few pianists and string musicians develop poorly defined, poorly treatable disorders of their hands known as focal dystonia. Like burning mouth, it seems to be related to the central nervous system in the Western paradigm.

 

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3 hours ago, manitou said:

Burning mouth for a scat style...

 

Too many haba√Īeros in the salad?

ūüėĀ

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26 minutes ago, steve said:

 

Too many haba√Īeros in the salad?

ūüėĀ

Or maybe Vato Loco 

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This thread has been very timely for me as I began doing "Vedic Meditation" a little over a month ago. I have been using the app '1 Giant Mind'. It teaches the technique in 12 lessons. I call it the generic form of TM. Everything I read about how the TM organization operates seems cultish to me. The part about receiving "your" mantra which is really just a word picked from a list that is based on your age and gender just seems like a con game to get you to pay a lot of money. One thing I do know is that meditation is scientifically proven to alter brain state in a good way. I have been struggling to keep a meditation practice going, but once I discovered Vedic Meditation I felt like I finally found the my style of meditation. I really enjoy it. It produces a light trance state when I have a good session. I don't know about magical empowerments. I don't know what enlightenment is supposed to be like. I only know that meditation has been proven to be healthy and that this method feels good to me. Here is a link to the article that inspired me to give this method a try:

 

https://mikesturm.medium.com/a-meditation-for-those-of-us-who-just-cant-seem-to-meditate-3fa77e61d9f3

 

And, also this one:

 

https://www.mensyogajournal.com/blog/how-to-teach-yourself-transcendental-meditation-for-free

 

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4 hours ago, escott said:

This thread has been very timely for me as I began doing "Vedic Meditation" a little over a month ago. I have been using the app '1 Giant Mind'. It teaches the technique in 12 lessons. I call it the generic form of TM. Everything I read about how the TM organization operates seems cultish to me. The part about receiving "your" mantra which is really just a word picked from a list that is based on your age and gender just seems like a con game to get you to pay a lot of money. One thing I do know is that meditation is scientifically proven to alter brain state in a good way. I have been struggling to keep a meditation practice going, but once I discovered Vedic Meditation I felt like I finally found the my style of meditation. I really enjoy it. It produces a light trance state when I have a good session. I don't know about magical empowerments. I don't know what enlightenment is supposed to be like. I only know that meditation has been proven to be healthy and that this method feels good to me. Here is a link to the article that inspired me to give this method a try:

 

https://mikesturm.medium.com/a-meditation-for-those-of-us-who-just-cant-seem-to-meditate-3fa77e61d9f3

 

And, also this one:

 

https://www.mensyogajournal.com/blog/how-to-teach-yourself-transcendental-meditation-for-free

 

 

Excellent, yes I've heard thats a great resource.

 

There's also this book which is quite an interesting read

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Everything-You-Want-Know-About-ebook/dp/B00AWBQJ2K/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=everything+you+want+to+know+about+TM&qid=1631170471&sr=8-1

 

After practicing this method for a while, I found I was building up tension through active mental recitation of the mantra. Apparently this is wrong, and you're not supposed to force it, rather just allow it to come naturally as if someone else was speaking it to you.

 

Then started to read a bit more about nondirective meditation, which is the broad category that TM belongs to.

 

I stumbled on this gem yesterday from Shinzen Young, a neuroscientist and former shingon monk. Just sitting without movement, allowing the mind to go where it wishes, eventually finding it settling after a period of time.

 

Apparently quite similar to mahamudra or dzogchen meditation. Funny how these things go full circle.

 

https://youtu.be/cZ6cdIaUZCA

 

 

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The information on this page seems to be a bit random, but in the table there is a section titled, "Secret TM Checking and Initiation Procedures". If this is true then it suggests to me that during TM training students might actually be susceptible to being influenced while in a hypnotic trance state. When I have read discussion threads on such sites as Quora the defenders of the official TM seem to take a mildly angry tone with anyone who says anything negative about the official TM training. There's no doubt that being trained and coached by an expert is superior to DIY trial and error. But, there just seems to be something that is "off" when a TM'er defends their method against other forms such as NSR or any other silent mantra-based Vedic Meditation.

 

See this page:

https://optimalbreathing.com/blogs/holistic-medicine-and-alternative-modalities/secret-tm-and-psychophysiological-and-bliss-techniques

 

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13 hours ago, Vajra Fist said:

 

Excellent, yes I've heard thats a great resource.

 

There's also this book which is quite an interesting read

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Everything-You-Want-Know-About-ebook/dp/B00AWBQJ2K/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=everything+you+want+to+know+about+TM&qid=1631170471&sr=8-1

 

After practicing this method for a while, I found I was building up tension through active mental recitation of the mantra. Apparently this is wrong, and you're not supposed to force it, rather just allow it to come naturally as if someone else was speaking it to you.

 

Then started to read a bit more about nondirective meditation, which is the broad category that TM belongs to.

 

I stumbled on this gem yesterday from Shinzen Young, a neuroscientist and former shingon monk. Just sitting without movement, allowing the mind to go where it wishes, eventually finding it settling after a period of time.

 

Apparently quite similar to mahamudra or dzogchen meditation. Funny how these things go full circle.

 

https://youtu.be/cZ6cdIaUZCA

 

 

I have this book on order. It is supposed to arrive tomorrow. My expectation is that it might actually expound on the effortless meditation that Shinzen Young is describing in the video.

 

'Watching Your Life: Meditation Simplified and Demystified' by Teja Anand

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1072815613/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

About the mantra, you're right it is not be forced. It is to just happen on its own, without intending it, and it may even fade away and that's OK.

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15 hours ago, Vajra Fist said:

Just sitting without movement, allowing the mind to go where it wishes, eventually finding it settling after a period of time.

And (as most probably already know this) ‚ÄĒ¬†¬†there is a sensation of ‚Äúfalling in‚ÄĚ, like if you suddenly lost the ground you stand on, only the mind¬†goes¬†deeper into stillness (like from the turbulent ocean surface going deeper and deeper). We have to be watchful or else the ‚Äúsurprise‚Ä̬†of this ‚Äúfalling in‚Ä̬†sensation can jerk us out of meditation. But with time this becomes a welcome process. :)¬†

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1 hour ago, escott said:

About the mantra, you're right it is not be forced. It is to just happen on its own, without intending it, and it may even fade away and that's O

Some mantras, I found make it so, that there is progressively greater pauses of stillness as we repeat them. Some others are not quite so, and require active focus. In the Hindu/Vedic mantras, those with lower number of syllables tend to be in the former category. Those with more syllables seem to be in the latter category.

 

unrelated to TM, but a general rule of practice in the Hindu tradition is what is called a ‚Äúpurascharana‚ÄĚ. One purascharana is 100,000 x number of syllables in the mantra. Depending on one‚Äôs karma, the benefits¬†of a mantra can be attained ¬†by performing one or more such cycles. For some it can happen with a lower count, if they‚Äôve done part of the work in a previous lifetime.¬†

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9 hours ago, escott said:

I have this book on order. It is supposed to arrive tomorrow. My expectation is that it might actually expound on the effortless meditation that Shinzen Young is describing in the video.

 

'Watching Your Life: Meditation Simplified and Demystified' by Teja Anand

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1072815613/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

 

Thanks! I'll add this to my reading list.

 

Apparently this book also offers a description and guidance on the 'do nothing' meditation, which in Zen is called shikantaza.

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/True-Meditation-Adyashanti/dp/1591794676

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