WHITEROOMENERGYMINE1 Posted November 29, 2020 (edited) . Edited June 27 by WHITEROOMENERGYMINE1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
helpfuldemon Posted November 29, 2020 The narrator is gone, destroyed- your pursuit of enlightenment banished him forever. Now... you are left with the counsel of voices, disincarnate things that come and go, comment when they wish, and never answer you directly. Their commentary is... well, is it dangerous? Are they telling you to do harmful things? No, they simply comment, and suggest, and observe. Why? Who are they, what do they want, where do they come from? Perhaps they, too, have lost their guide, and are left floating in an Abyss of images, voices, madness. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted November 29, 2020 (edited) 22 hours ago, helpfuldemon said: The narrator is gone, destroyed- your pursuit of enlightenment banished him forever. Now... you are left with the counsel of voices, disincarnate things that come and go, comment when they wish, and never answer you directly. Their commentary is... well, is it dangerous? Are they telling you to do harmful things? No, they simply comment, and suggest, and observe. Why? Who are they, what do they want, where do they come from? Perhaps they, too, have lost their guide, and are left floating in an Abyss of images, voices, madness. Yes, this is a valid first response - identify , classify ( good or bad order ) ... all basic rules (or should be or you in the wrong boat ) of magic, especially evocative magic , and basic rules of magical psychology (see Dr Wilson Van Dusen and Israel Regardie ) The solution, too long to write about here ... but it lies in a few writings I have posted around DBs. Also see 'Hierarchy of Spirits ' . https://www.britannica.com/topic/angel-religion/Types-of-angels-and-demons What a shame such basic human experience is so misunderstood and so many that are even slightly aware of it, wander in confusion and despair Edited November 29, 2020 by Nungali Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHITEROOMENERGYMINE1 Posted November 30, 2020 (edited) . Edited June 27 by WHITEROOMENERGYMINE1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHITEROOMENERGYMINE1 Posted November 30, 2020 (edited) . Edited June 27 by WHITEROOMENERGYMINE1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted November 30, 2020 3 hours ago, WHITEROOMENERGYMINE1 said: I read the article, thank you. I have labeled almost everything within my mind and it seems like a very good start. But nevertheless I am open to advanced magical psychology and what not. Anything that helps shed more light is welcome! Its a HUGE subject ! But essential I would say . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know_thyself Going on further from this basic and old ( not that being old is bad thing but we live in different times now ) concept of Hierarchy of Beings ; Swedenborg - set in a Christian context, but a cool guy ... and a creative genius and inventor ( so he produced things from his genius * ) , his most valuable teaching IMO , in condensed form ; ' Man is at the cross roads . ' ** But to take a short cut through all his works , we can get a summary and at the same time a brief introduction to Dr Wilson van Dusen 's work and discoveries ; http://www.theisticpsychology.org/books/w.vandusen/presence_spirits.htm I think that people get too hung up on 'tags' .... 'cultural clothing ' etc . I dont care if one tries to understand these processes by using magick or psychology , nor if we see it as 'beings', entities angels demons , or 'hallucinations ' / 'split personalities' , what is important is that it is an undeniable human process and dynamic (as evidences by its presence in one form or another across time, locations and cultures - in short it is part of human reality ..... collectively , but perhaps not part of modern western material / scientific 'reality ' - so hats off to Dr Van Dusen in taking his 'professional leap' . ) Its about process and technique and MOST importantly , what works . * also see ' Genius ' ; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genius_(mythology) also https://mythology.wikia.org/wiki/Daemon ** Man is at the cross roads ; I am reminded of the classic voodoo rite where the cross roads are first set up ; one line 'male,'the other ' female ' - the God and Goddess of Voodoo , sort of . Then all the other lines come out from that point making sections of the circle devoted to certain loa via a veve drawing . In the centre is a circular altar with a section for each corresponding veve and loa where their specific fav offerings are set - on top of this cross road . The people then partake of whatever offering appropriate to the loa they want to communicate with ...... and dance and drum a lot In all various operations like this , 'Man' has a special role in them , and there is a basic 'contractual understanding' between 'hierarchies' . Modern man has forgotten a lot of this , or been forced away from it . There are all sorts of themes about crossroads in mythology, but apparently that is where we 'stand ' Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Limahong Posted November 30, 2020 10 hours ago, Nungali said: There are all sorts of themes about crossroads in mythology, but apparently that is where we 'stand'. Hi Nun, At physical crossroads, we may know where we 'stand' with a compass. How about non-physical crossroads? - Anand Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted November 30, 2020 For that you need a 'map of the psyche ' . Or for a more risky approach just choose an eidolon ; 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Limahong Posted December 5, 2020 On 11/29/2020 at 8:30 AM, WHITEROOMENERGYMINE1 said: Where oh where is my narrator. A life mission, to return to thought. Hi WHITEROOMENERGYMINE1, Thank you for your narration ~ you don't need a narrator. It appears that you have touched a good conversational base with yourself. On 11/29/2020 at 8:30 AM, WHITEROOMENERGYMINE1 said: If I am to journey to the future surely I need my narrator. No narrator needed for/by you. Just have a good conversation with someone who can follow your narration. That someone can be you ~ yourself. On 11/30/2020 at 9:03 AM, WHITEROOMENERGYMINE1 said: When we were younger we would converse about a series of topics in a discussion ranging from science to drugs. That discussion could range over 5 different topics for a whole hour and never have a dull moment. We would then meet up later and the conversation was still running in our subconscious. There you are ~ a good conversation. - Anand Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHITEROOMENERGYMINE1 Posted December 14, 2020 (edited) . Edited June 27 by WHITEROOMENERGYMINE1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted December 14, 2020 (edited) In my case, there have been periods in my life where I was all but oblivious to my 'guardians' ( I will call them ) . In later life I got a better understanding of them and communication with them . Whether this my 'fault' or a needed process * I can't tell . So I feel there is hope for a 'return' or a new level of relationship * Sometimes we need to 'go it alone' or 'get away' from something ... it can be an integral part of the learning process that the 'something' is involved in . . Edited December 14, 2020 by Nungali Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Limahong Posted December 14, 2020 15 hours ago, WHITEROOMENERGYMINE1 said: The "little voice" doesn't require any effort and I desperately want it back. Hi WHITEROOMENERGYMINE1, Your "little voice" is already back and you are sharing it with us as a thread. 15 hours ago, WHITEROOMENERGYMINE1 said: I need a subtle sound to live on that is not volitional thought. The subtle sound will call you ~ listen with your heart. Take heart ~ (s)he will call on you. - Anand Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Limahong Posted December 14, 2020 15 hours ago, Nungali said: In my case, there have been periods in my life where I was all but oblivious to my 'guardians' Hi Nun, There are a few 'guardians' at TDB ~ one of them is our dearly departed on 8 December... 15 hours ago, Nungali said: In later life I got a better understanding of them and communication with them . Whether this my 'fault' or a needed process * I can't tell . The 'guardians' will appear when we are ready to engage with them. 15 hours ago, Nungali said: So I feel there is hope for a 'return' or a new level of relationship 15 hours ago, Nungali said: Sometimes we need to 'go it alone' or 'get away' from something... it can be an integral part of the learning process that the 'something' is involved in . Knowing oneself and others on a road less traveled? - Anand Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spaceofawareness Posted December 16, 2020 You feel like an observer of your thoughts? I remember about a year about when I had what could be called an awakening, the way I characterised it was, I had become the observer, which was distinct from the “narrator” (my words) which I could observe. It was more just the realisation of this. I had never really had an invasive inner voice, as some people do, like my wife, as she has told me, she is CONSTANTLY talking to herself. Yet now over a year later, the narrator seems to have almost vanished. For me, this hasn’t been a problem, due to it being closer to my nature. I can obviously still form thoughts, both internally and externally, but, I am very rarely dogged by them. I notice them when they arise, though not quite as quickly as when it first began. But it seems like you have a fondness for this inner voice which you have lost a connection with. It seems by your description that it was very much linked to your imagination. I used to have imaginary conversations, re-run scenarios in my head, even create non existent scenarios between myself and people in my life. It was less narration and more like a slide show with subtitles. But I would get lost in the imaginings, not always in a good way. It would sometimes affect my mood, and my relationships to people to which the imaginings were about. The mind is always wanting to know what is going to happen, trying to stay 1, 2, 10 steps ahead, and does this by literally projecting into possible futures. This can only happen when you are not present. You imagination “runs away”. So, on the one hand, you may have lost this connection to the inner voice which you have such fond memories of, yet, there must also be benefits to this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites