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Can you learn genuine gnostiscm these days ?

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just curious if its possible or has the genuine tradition died out ?

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Gnosticism was a highly inventive and protean set of doctrines that subsisted in different currents, some of which died out but others that continue in various forms. It is not always easy to say exactly what makes something gnostic as opposed to hermetic, Neoplatonist, etc. A lot of ideas that are sometimes deemed “gnostic” in popular presentations were really just commonly held ideas in the Hellenistic world. For instance, the notion that our world is controlled by oppressive “archons”, who can be either demons or incompetent angels, and who imprison us and prevent our access to higher spiritual realities, is important in the letters of Paul and his understanding of salvation. Gnosis as something gained through asceticism and mystic contemplation apart from the transient world runs through mainstream Christian spirituality, seem in the the Desert Fathers and the Philokalia. Apart from Christianity there are other gnostic formations in existence- the Yezidis and Mandaeans, for instance, although these communities are endangered and exceptionally remote for most people. There are occult groups with roots in Golden Dawn or claiming  Masonic or Rosicrucian lineage- are they legitimate? I guess it depends on how literally you take the need for some kind of apostolic succession. My opinion is that such lineage claims tend to involve a fair amount of mythology and sleight of hand.

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2 minutes ago, SirPalomides said:

Gnosticism was a highly inventive and protean set of doctrines that subsisted in different currents, some of which died out but others that continue in various forms. It is not always easy to say exactly what makes something gnostic as opposed to hermetic, Neoplatonist, etc. A lot of ideas that are sometimes deemed “gnostic” in popular presentations were really just commonly held ideas in the Hellenistic world. For instance, the notion that our world is controlled by oppressive “archons”, who can be either demons or incompetent angels, and who imprison us and prevent our access to higher spiritual realities, is important in the letters of Paul and his understanding of salvation. Gnosis as something gained through asceticism and mystic contemplation apart from the transient world runs through mainstream Christian spirituality, seem in the the Desert Fathers and the Philokalia. Apart from Christianity there are other gnostic formations in existence- the Yezidis and Mandaeans, for instance, although these communities are endangered and exceptionally remote for most people. There are occult groups with roots in Golden Dawn or claiming  Masonic or Rosicrucian lineage- are they legitimate? I guess it depends on how literally you take the need for some kind of apostolic succession. My opinion is that such lineage claims tend to involve a fair amount of mythology and sleight of hand.

 

Not to mention that there are books out there claiming to teach Gnostic magic from the 1970s and even in contemporary times claiming to be an authentic lineage, but verifying it to me is a waste of time because some it comes across more like someone who read a few texts and threw together some ideas and called it authentic Gnostic work...

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2 minutes ago, Earl Grey said:

 

Not to mention that there are books out there claiming to teach Gnostic magic from the 1970s and even in contemporary times claiming to be an authentic lineage, but verifying it to me is a waste of time because some it comes across more like someone who read a few texts and threw together some ideas and called it authentic Gnostic work...

yeah thats the vibe i have got from what books i have read

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Just now, ronko said:

 

yeah thats the vibe i have got from what books i have read

 

Did one book come from a guy nicknamed "Astral Al" who just called it "The Book of Gnostic Magic"?

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4 minutes ago, Earl Grey said:

 

Did one book come from a guy nicknamed "Astral Al" who just called it "The Book of Gnostic Magic"?

Haha , no , cant say it was astral al :P, but that sounds authentic enough to me !

think one of them was tau something who seems to be one of the main dudes but it didnt do anything for me, just seemed like a random set of practices bunched together under the title of Gnosticism.

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That said I wouldn’t get too hung up on what is “authentic” Gnosticism. The classical Gnostics don’t seem to have been at all. They were mythopoetic eclecticists and questions of strict succession don’t seem to have necessarily been of huge importance. 

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7 hours ago, ronko said:

just curious if its possible or has the genuine tradition died out ?

How do you define Gnosticism?   As you can see, some are going for the early Christian group ideals, others towards magical philosophy. 

 

 

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https://www.amazon.com/PROOF-Heretic-Mysticism-Yves-Cadoux/dp/B07QZV3MD7/ref=sr_1_6?crid=30VI1YAFC6BDW&dchild=1&keywords=yves+cadoux&qid=1588118084&sprefix=yves+cad%2Caps%2C193&sr=8-6

 

Picked up this last year.  Really tough read.  Lot's of 'this is the goal', but very very little guidance or practice on how to get there.  The second half of the book is a treatise of the Gospel of Thomas.  The author repeats himself to the point of distraction.  

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