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10 hours ago, Zork said:

Why do you try to divert all threads to talk about your system?

Nobody cares about the art that must not be named! :D

 

 

What's amusing is that I already said from the beginning here and in the other thread, I said that I wasn't even referring to +ŌÄ! It was a general idea about learning and transmission.¬†

 

Twice already I have had to state that it has nothing to do with the topic but he keeps bringing it up and thinks everything is a subtle allusion to his practice, which anyone can see is not the case! Interestingly, he also makes unsubtle allusions to that system, and if it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck, he's obviously talking about it even if it's not mentioned by name. 

 

So far, he hasn't answered direct questions such as "What languages do you speak?" and "What countries have you been to?" and if he considers people who have those learning disabilities and different environments for learning as factors, but just goes to the same argument that it is only about motivation and laziness or distractions. Having this worldly awareness shows sensitivity to complexities, but he seems to want to oversimplify things and is likely with no international exposure or work with people who are of different income, educational, and ethnic backgrounds; all of that usually makes one more aware and sensitive about those factors.  

 

Tell that to refugees who struggle to learn a local language from a video that they are given and left alone to watch, which is totally not the same as a diplomat learning a language via Pimsleur method. This is a logical fallacy known as "false comparison". 

 

He also insists I am saying one can't learn from a video even if I've mentioned multiple times, you can learn, but the quality of learning is different because of the medium itself. Then, of course there are the different factors like learning styles for people who aren't visual matter, the subject material greatly affects the ability to learn such as singing, nuances one learns from in-person instruction or from an actual person guiding you, especially for physical practices, disabilities, educational background (especially people from different education systems like those I taught in Tanzania versus those I taught in Korea and in East Timor, or even Waldorf), and how video production quality affects it too, whether it's a guy in a basement or someone with high quality like Terry Dunn's series. He is completely ignoring those talking points because he's so focused on video being a medium anyone can learn from even if we mostly agree that it's possible, but my point is that there are limitations and that it affects quality!

 

Amusingly, he acts as though he can tell people that this is a thread only he and I may engage in, and for others to start a new thread. I offered him to talk in my PPJ so I could control it better, he hasn't even responded to that point or acknowledged it. 

 

Even better: calling me out with a username for the thread to argue is actually a violation of the rules here, and if it were reported he would face action! The old admin would have issued him a slap on the wrist and ordered him to change it because it's a personal challenge and not posted in good will! Yet he thinks he can tell people not to participate when it's a discussion forum and not his PPJ or my own, let alone a private message! XD 

 

At this point, I don't think Sean will be happy to give him a PPJ if he keeps up this behavior of ignoring direct questions, putting words in my mouth, straw man arguments, and posting in the spirit of ill will, especially when everyone can note I made attempts to build bridges and he wants to continue playing victim and building walls.

 

Even ilovecoffee wanted to make amends, offered apologies if I was upset by things he said while offering the same to others if they point out to any of his posts, and we went straight from there and had a few exchanges that made me think he is a good guy.

 

This MildMouse23 is insufferable and this thread is great to have because it just shows even trying to be friendly and not even talk about his system, he wants to bring it up multiple times. And he calls everyone else trolls and haters...HA!

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57 minutes ago, Earl Grey said:

 

What's amusing is that I already said from the beginning here and in the other thread, I said that I wasn't even referring to +ŌÄ! It was a general idea about learning and transmission.¬†

 

Twice already I have had to state that it has nothing to do with the topic but he keeps bringing it up and thinks everything is a subtle allusion to his practice, which anyone can see is not the case! Interestingly, he also makes unsubtle allusions to that system, and if it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck, he's obviously talking about it even if it's not mentioned by name. 

 

So far, he hasn't answered direct questions such as "What languages do you speak?" and "What countries have you been to?" and if he considers people who have those learning disabilities and different environments for learning as factors, but just goes to the same argument that it is only about motivation and laziness or distractions. Having this worldly awareness shows sensitivity to complexities, but he seems to want to oversimplify things and is likely with no international exposure or work with people who are of different income, educational, and ethnic backgrounds; all of that usually makes one more aware and sensitive about those factors.  

 

Tell that to refugees who struggle to learn a local language from a video that they are given and left alone to watch, which is totally not the same as a diplomat learning a language via Pimsleur method. This is a logical fallacy known as "false comparison". 

 

He also insists I am saying one can't learn from a video even if I've mentioned multiple times, you can learn, but the quality of learning is different because of the medium itself. Then, of course there are the different factors like learning styles for people who aren't visual matter, the subject material greatly affects the ability to learn such as singing, nuances one learns from in-person instruction or from an actual person guiding you, especially for physical practices, disabilities, educational background (especially people from different education systems like those I taught in Tanzania versus those I taught in Korea and in East Timor, or even Waldorf), and how video production quality affects it too, whether it's a guy in a basement or someone with high quality like Terry Dunn's series. He is completely ignoring those talking points because he's so focused on video being a medium anyone can learn from even if we mostly agree that it's possible, but my point is that there are limitations and that it affects quality!

 

Amusingly, he acts as though he can tell people that this is a thread only he and I may engage in, and for others to start a new thread. I offered him to talk in my PPJ so I could control it better, he hasn't even responded to that point or acknowledged it. 

 

Even better: calling me out with a username for the thread to argue is actually a violation of the rules here, and if it were reported he would face action! The old admin would have issued him a slap on the wrist and ordered him to change it because it's a personal challenge and not posted in good will! Yet he thinks he can tell people not to participate when it's a discussion forum and not his PPJ or my own, let alone a private message! XD 

 

At this point, I don't think Sean will be happy to give him a PPJ if he keeps up this behavior of ignoring direct questions, putting words in my mouth, straw man arguments, and posting in the spirit of ill will, especially when everyone can note I made attempts to build bridges and he wants to continue playing victim and building walls.

 

Even ilovecoffee wanted to make amends, offered apologies if I was upset by things he said while offering the same to others if they point out to any of his posts, and we went straight from there and had a few exchanges that made me think he is a good guy.

 

This MildMouse23 is insufferable and this thread is great to have because it just shows even trying to be friendly and not even talk about his system, he wants to bring it up multiple times. And he calls everyone else trolls and haters...HA!

 

I don't think MildMouse 23 has read the fine print.  (Reactionary trash will be escorted to the curb). The MoPai types run on ad infinitum as seen in the past here.

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1 hour ago, Earl Grey said:

 

What's amusing is that I already said from the beginning here and in the other thread, I said that I wasn't even referring to +ŌÄ! It was a general idea about learning and transmission.¬†

 

Twice already I have had to state that it has nothing to do with the topic but he keeps bringing it up and thinks everything is a subtle allusion to his practice, which anyone can see is not the case! Interestingly, he also makes unsubtle allusions to that system, and if it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck, he's obviously talking about it even if it's not mentioned by name. 

 

So far, he hasn't answered direct questions such as "What languages do you speak?" and "What countries have you been to?" and if he considers people who have those learning disabilities and different environments for learning as factors, but just goes to the same argument that it is only about motivation and laziness or distractions. Having this worldly awareness shows sensitivity to complexities, but he seems to want to oversimplify things and is likely with no international exposure or work with people who are of different income, educational, and ethnic backgrounds; all of that usually makes one more aware and sensitive about those factors.  

 

Tell that to refugees who struggle to learn a local language from a video that they are given and left alone to watch, which is totally not the same as a diplomat learning a language via Pimsleur method. This is a logical fallacy known as "false comparison". 

 

He also insists I am saying one can't learn from a video even if I've mentioned multiple times, you can learn, but the quality of learning is different because of the medium itself. Then, of course there are the different factors like learning styles for people who aren't visual matter, the subject material greatly affects the ability to learn such as singing, nuances one learns from in-person instruction or from an actual person guiding you, especially for physical practices, disabilities, educational background (especially people from different education systems like those I taught in Tanzania versus those I taught in Korea and in East Timor, or even Waldorf), and how video production quality affects it too, whether it's a guy in a basement or someone with high quality like Terry Dunn's series. He is completely ignoring those talking points because he's so focused on video being a medium anyone can learn from even if we mostly agree that it's possible, but my point is that there are limitations and that it affects quality!

 

Amusingly, he acts as though he can tell people that this is a thread only he and I may engage in, and for others to start a new thread. I offered him to talk in my PPJ so I could control it better, he hasn't even responded to that point or acknowledged it. 

 

Even better: calling me out with a username for the thread to argue is actually a violation of the rules here, and if it were reported he would face action! The old admin would have issued him a slap on the wrist and ordered him to change it because it's a personal challenge and not posted in good will! Yet he thinks he can tell people not to participate when it's a discussion forum and not his PPJ or my own, let alone a private message! XD 

 

At this point, I don't think Sean will be happy to give him a PPJ if he keeps up this behavior of ignoring direct questions, putting words in my mouth, straw man arguments, and posting in the spirit of ill will, especially when everyone can note I made attempts to build bridges and he wants to continue playing victim and building walls.

 

Even ilovecoffee wanted to make amends, offered apologies if I was upset by things he said while offering the same to others if they point out to any of his posts, and we went straight from there and had a few exchanges that made me think he is a good guy.

 

This MildMouse23 is insufferable and this thread is great to have because it just shows even trying to be friendly and not even talk about his system, he wants to bring it up multiple times. And he calls everyone else trolls and haters...HA!

 

"you can learn, but the quality of learning is different because of the medium itself."

 

For me I've had some real life classroom settings that were awful, teachers who obviously did not want to be there, and wanted to talk about their dog more than the subject material.  While the immersion was not as high quality, the learning experience at least for me was better. 

 

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2 hours ago, Earl Grey said:

 

What's amusing is that I already said from the beginning here and in the other thread, I said that I wasn't even referring to +ŌÄ! It was a general idea about learning and transmission.¬†

 

Twice already I have had to state that it has nothing to do with the topic but he keeps bringing it up and thinks everything is a subtle allusion to his practice, which anyone can see is not the case! Interestingly, he also makes unsubtle allusions to that system, and if it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck, he's obviously talking about it even if it's not mentioned by name. 

 

So far, he hasn't answered direct questions such as "What languages do you speak?" and "What countries have you been to?" and if he considers people who have those learning disabilities and different environments for learning as factors, but just goes to the same argument that it is only about motivation and laziness or distractions. Having this worldly awareness shows sensitivity to complexities, but he seems to want to oversimplify things and is likely with no international exposure or work with people who are of different income, educational, and ethnic backgrounds; all of that usually makes one more aware and sensitive about those factors.  

 

Tell that to refugees who struggle to learn a local language from a video that they are given and left alone to watch, which is totally not the same as a diplomat learning a language via Pimsleur method. This is a logical fallacy known as "false comparison". 

 

He also insists I am saying one can't learn from a video even if I've mentioned multiple times, you can learn, but the quality of learning is different because of the medium itself. Then, of course there are the different factors like learning styles for people who aren't visual matter, the subject material greatly affects the ability to learn such as singing, nuances one learns from in-person instruction or from an actual person guiding you, especially for physical practices, disabilities, educational background (especially people from different education systems like those I taught in Tanzania versus those I taught in Korea and in East Timor, or even Waldorf), and how video production quality affects it too, whether it's a guy in a basement or someone with high quality like Terry Dunn's series. He is completely ignoring those talking points because he's so focused on video being a medium anyone can learn from even if we mostly agree that it's possible, but my point is that there are limitations and that it affects quality!

 

Amusingly, he acts as though he can tell people that this is a thread only he and I may engage in, and for others to start a new thread. I offered him to talk in my PPJ so I could control it better, he hasn't even responded to that point or acknowledged it. 

 

Even better: calling me out with a username for the thread to argue is actually a violation of the rules here, and if it were reported he would face action! The old admin would have issued him a slap on the wrist and ordered him to change it because it's a personal challenge and not posted in good will! Yet he thinks he can tell people not to participate when it's a discussion forum and not his PPJ or my own, let alone a private message! XD 

 

At this point, I don't think Sean will be happy to give him a PPJ if he keeps up this behavior of ignoring direct questions, putting words in my mouth, straw man arguments, and posting in the spirit of ill will, especially when everyone can note I made attempts to build bridges and he wants to continue playing victim and building walls.

 

Even ilovecoffee wanted to make amends, offered apologies if I was upset by things he said while offering the same to others if they point out to any of his posts, and we went straight from there and had a few exchanges that made me think he is a good guy.

 

This MildMouse23 is insufferable and this thread is great to have because it just shows even trying to be friendly and not even talk about his system, he wants to bring it up multiple times. And he calls everyone else trolls and haters...HA!

 

"This MildMouse23 is insufferable and this thread is great to have because it just shows even trying to be friendly and not even talk about his system, he wants to bring it up multiple times. And he calls everyone else trolls and haters...HA!"

 

Despite what you think I am not your enemy, nor am I upset with you. 

 

I simply responded to this because firstly I know it to be true first hand, and secondly this hits a nerve in respect to my practice as it is something others have in the past tried to use as an argument against its validity.

 

While perhaps you didn't mean or intend it that way at all it is something I feel necessary to defend against, even if you see it as quixotic.

 

Hopefully in a few months you can calm down because I don't see anything here for you to be upset over.

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1 hour ago, ralis said:

 

I don't think MildMouse 23 has read the fine print.  (Reactionary trash will be escorted to the curb). The MoPai types run on ad infinitum as seen in the past here.

 

Hi Ralis,

 

Actually I think a moratorium on all Mo Pai discussion would benefit everyone on the forum.

 

I've done my best not to talk about.

 

I created this thread to try and prevent further derailment in another thread.

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4 hours ago, MildMouse23 said:

Actually I think a moratorium on all Mo Pai discussion would benefit everyone on the forum.

It is funny because YOU are the one who keeps mentioning it.

We don't care about "pie abundance". At least not from the "usual suspects".

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10 hours ago, MildMouse23 said:

 

Hi Ralis,

 

Actually I think a moratorium on all Mo Pai discussion would benefit everyone on the forum.

 

I've done my best not to talk about.

 

Yes you have, and because it's such a big part of your life and is important to you it still colors your interactions - whether deliberately or not. If something is presented which could be, or has been, used as an argument against what you hold to be of great value you automatically (and perhaps naturally) wish to argue against it - whether what is shared actually has anything to do with what's precious to you or not.

 

There have been a great many karmic seeds planted here related to your system, and many habitual responses which muddy any potential connection and conversation.. 

 

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I created this thread to try and prevent further derailment in another thread.

 

Thank you for this, and thank you for renaming the thread, if you were the one inspired to do so.

 

*****

 

Regarding the subject manner of learning through text and video, yes it's possible, and with the physical arts a bit more difficult imo.

 

The martial arts instructor I practiced under has a book available, and flipping through the pages and studying the forms and moves found there in is nothing like being in class. And further would be quite difficult to get a feel for without the previous personal training and corrections of the "class" setting. 

 

Anyway, take care, and best wishes. 

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10 hours ago, MildMouse23 said:

 

"you can learn, but the quality of learning is different because of the medium itself."

 

For me I've had some real life classroom settings that were awful, teachers who obviously did not want to be there, and wanted to talk about their dog more than the subject material.  While the immersion was not as high quality, the learning experience at least for me was better. 

 

 

Keywords here are your experience. You're arguing absolutely the classroom is inferior and you learned better from video. I already said multiple times this can be possible both ways, but just like video quality affects learning, an instructor themselves can affect the learning. You've ignored these points each time and cherrypick to create a straw man argument. 

 

10 hours ago, MildMouse23 said:

 

"This MildMouse23 is insufferable and this thread is great to have because it just shows even trying to be friendly and not even talk about his system, he wants to bring it up multiple times. And he calls everyone else trolls and haters...HA!"

 

Despite what you think I am not your enemy, nor am I upset with you. 

 

I simply responded to this because firstly I know it to be true first hand, and secondly this hits a nerve in respect to my practice as it is something others have in the past tried to use as an argument against its validity.

 

While perhaps you didn't mean or intend it that way at all it is something I feel necessary to defend against, even if you see it as quixotic.

 

Hopefully in a few months you can calm down because I don't see anything here for you to be upset over.

 

Let me point you out to this wonderful thing called decency, and how people based on this little primer I shared not long ago act in ways decidedly not decent: 

 

 

Let's go over what you're doing here: 

 

2. Projection - When a person doesn't react to who you actually are, but to their own internal feelings about themselves or others unrelated to you. 

  • You haven't responded to any of my actual points nor have you acknowledged that no one is talking about your art, but the general idea of learning from video. You also say that it "hits a nerve¬†in respect to [your] practice as it is something others have in the past tried to use as an argument against its validity." Here's a revelation: nobody here, especially me, was referring to your art. You got reminded of it and brought it up. I even tried to remind you that that wasn't even the point. But,¬†

 

5. Minimization - When the abuser downplays the severity of a negative event they triggered, or downplays the feelings that the victims has. For example, pervasive school bullying can be minimized by the abuser as "just a prank" and tells the victim that they're overreacting.

  • Key word here is¬†you¬†don't see anything to be upset over. But guess what?¬†You¬†don't get to decide if your behavior is worth getting upset over. If someone is upset by what you do and they can point out what you are doing, you owe them an apology. You didn't even respond to my points but projected yours, then put words in your mouth and expect others to treat you like an insufferable victim.¬†You¬†brought up your issues with people and how they historically treat your group and¬†you¬†brought up your system--not me or anyone else here.

 

7. Personal boundaries - The mental, emotional, and physical limits we have around ourselves to protect us from harm. Usually emotional abusers push these limits or get angry if these are enforced, and assert that their wants are more important than your needs.

 

  • Shall we start with this lovely screen capture of what you did that was quite rude?¬†This¬†is worthy of an apology already and you already changed the title because you realized you could get in trouble for it, not because you acknowledge any wrongdoing.¬†mousetrap.png.5c70e92308b0e3bbffc0f914eb17a314.png

 

8. Narcissistic supply - People on the narcissistic personality disorder spectrum have a pathological need for attention from others. They will seek attention even if it is destructive towards others, because they don't see the separation between self and other, and cannot regulate their own emotional needs. They will regularly trigger events, confrontations, and provoke a reaction, scandal, and confuse people around them. And when they receive this attention, they will gather social information about involved parties to instigate another event, confrontation or scandal to repeat the process.

 

  • I think with the above definition¬†res ipsa loquitur¬†is appropriate here ("the thing speaks for itself"). You invaded the other thread, then you call me out in this thread, ignored my many questions and offer to take it to the PPJ of my own for friendly interaction, then you tell others to stay out of it for chiming in, all because you want to reinforce the victim narrative.¬†

 

 

10 hours ago, MildMouse23 said:

 

Hi Ralis,

 

Actually I think a moratorium on all Mo Pai discussion would benefit everyone on the forum.

 

I've done my best not to talk about.

 

I created this thread to try and prevent further derailment in another thread.

 

You have done your best to deny how much you actually are talking about it, whether talking about it without mentioning it by name or finding ways to assume someone was attacking you or alluding to it, in this case, yours truly. 

 

Do I regret my intent the past year to bury the hatchet and try to make this forum open and welcome for your group? Nope. I have nothing against the system or your group, my contention is with you and your own behavior here. You had a clean slate and in the course of the past several days, you have managed to profoundly self-sabotage yourself to a point of no return.

 

You may think of yourself as rational and respectful, but a more appropriate image of the kind of person you appear to be to others is this:

 

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I suffer from a persistent delusion, the idea that it¬īs possible to win an argument on the internet.¬† Despite a great deal of evidence to the contrary, I believe that if I present myself logically¬†my debate opponents¬†will carefully consider what I have to say, come to realize that they were wrong, gracefully acknowledge the correctness of my view.¬† This basically never happens.¬† It¬īs much more common that people simply ignore me and reassert their own view.¬† And so on it goes...

 

This is what I see happening here.¬† It¬īs very hard for me to disengage.¬† I want others to see that I am right and come around to my side but that¬īs just not gonna happen.¬† Resistance, as they say, is futile.

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3 minutes ago, liminal_luke said:

I suffer from a persistent delusion, the idea that it¬īs possible to win an argument on the internet.¬† Despite a great deal of evidence to the contrary, I believe that if I present myself logically¬†my debate opponents¬†will carefully consider what I have to say, come to realize that they were wrong, gracefully acknowledge the correctness of my view.¬† This basically never happens.¬† It¬īs much more common that people simply ignore me and reassert their own view.¬† And so on it goes...

 

This is what I see happening here.¬† It¬īs very hard for me to disengage.¬† I want others to see that I am right and come around to my side but that¬īs just not gonna happen.¬† Resistance, as they say, is futile.

 

I already stated my case and you and everyone can see that. On the other hand, if he keeps repeating himself everywhere that he is trying to infiltrate every thread again and again, he looks like this fine chap...

 

 

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24 minutes ago, Earl Grey said:

 

Keywords here are your experience. You're arguing absolutely the classroom is inferior and you learned better from video. I already said multiple times this can be possible both ways, but just like video quality affects learning, an instructor themselves can affect the learning. You've ignored these points each time and cherrypick to create a straw man argument. 

 

 

Let me point you out to this wonderful thing called decency, and how people based on this little primer I shared not long ago act in ways decidedly not decent: 

 

 

Let's go over what you're doing here: 

 

2. Projection - When a person doesn't react to who you actually are, but to their own internal feelings about themselves or others unrelated to you. 

  • You haven't responded to any of my actual points nor have you acknowledged that no one is talking about your art, but the general idea of learning from video. You also say that it "hits a nerve¬†in respect to [your] practice as it is something others have in the past tried to use as an argument against its validity." Here's a revelation: nobody here, especially me, was referring to your art. You got reminded of it and brought it up. I even tried to remind you that that wasn't even the point. But,¬†

 

5. Minimization - When the abuser downplays the severity of a negative event they triggered, or downplays the feelings that the victims has. For example, pervasive school bullying can be minimized by the abuser as "just a prank" and tells the victim that they're overreacting.

  • Key word here is¬†you¬†don't see anything to be upset over. But guess what?¬†You¬†don't get to decide if your behavior is worth getting upset over. If someone is upset by what you do and they can point out what you are doing, you owe them an apology. You didn't even respond to my points but projected yours, then put words in your mouth and expect others to treat you like an insufferable victim.¬†You¬†brought up your issues with people and how they historically treat your group and¬†you¬†brought up your system--not me or anyone else here.

 

7. Personal boundaries - The mental, emotional, and physical limits we have around ourselves to protect us from harm. Usually emotional abusers push these limits or get angry if these are enforced, and assert that their wants are more important than your needs.

 

  • Shall we start with this lovely screen capture of what you did that was quite rude?¬†This¬†is worthy of an apology already and you already changed the title because you realized you could get in trouble for it, not because you acknowledge any wrongdoing.¬†mousetrap.png.5c70e92308b0e3bbffc0f914eb17a314.png

 

8. Narcissistic supply - People on the narcissistic personality disorder spectrum have a pathological need for attention from others. They will seek attention even if it is destructive towards others, because they don't see the separation between self and other, and cannot regulate their own emotional needs. They will regularly trigger events, confrontations, and provoke a reaction, scandal, and confuse people around them. And when they receive this attention, they will gather social information about involved parties to instigate another event, confrontation or scandal to repeat the process.

 

  • I think with the above definition¬†res ipsa loquitur¬†is appropriate here ("the thing speaks for itself"). You invaded the other thread, then you call me out in this thread, ignored my many questions and offer to take it to the PPJ of my own for friendly interaction, then you tell others to stay out of it for chiming in, all because you want to reinforce the victim narrative.¬†

 

 

 

You have done your best to deny how much you actually are talking about it, whether talking about it without mentioning it by name or finding ways to assume someone was attacking you or alluding to it, in this case, yours truly. 

 

Do I regret my intent the past year to bury the hatchet and try to make this forum open and welcome for your group? Nope. I have nothing against the system or your group, my contention is with you and your own behavior here. You had a clean slate and in the course of the past several days, you have managed to profoundly self-sabotage yourself to a point of no return.

 

You may think of yourself as rational and respectful, but a more appropriate image of the kind of person you appear to be to others is this:

 

10things.png.f41f9c29d97bc89c46ed8c1ec1684d6c.png

 

 

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4 hours ago, liminal_luke said:

I suffer from a persistent delusion, the idea that it¬īs possible to win an argument on the internet.¬† Despite a great deal of evidence to the contrary, I believe that if I present myself logically¬†my debate opponents¬†will carefully consider what I have to say, come to realize that they were wrong, gracefully acknowledge the correctness of my view.¬† This basically never happens.¬† It¬īs much more common that people simply ignore me and reassert their own view.¬† And so on it goes...

 

This is what I see happening here.¬† It¬īs very hard for me to disengage.¬† I want others to see that I am right and come around to my side but that¬īs just not gonna happen.¬† Resistance, as they say, is futile.

 

If your goal is to change your opponents mind you can almost never win.

 

The backfire effect is very real.

 

If your goal present your viewpoint to others, and hope that they may find your position reasonable, sometimes you might succeed.

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On 9/9/2019 at 10:58 AM, MildMouse23 said:

 

Hi Zork,

 

I care, and others do as well.

 

Also the top western student got further than many of the Asian students, and was examined and tested to his level.

 

Why the elitist view that a Westerner is more advanced than many Asian students? What test? Administered by whom? Your post is based on hearsay and has no basis here!

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39 minutes ago, ralis said:

 

Why the elitist view that a Westerner is more advanced than many Asian students? What test? Administered by whom? Your post is based on hearsay and has no basis here!

 

His final exam was recorded on camera, and he passed with "flying" colors.

 

The exam was administered by his teacher, and also his status above many Asian students was confirmed in a letter to him from his teacher.

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2 minutes ago, MildMouse23 said:

 

His final exam was recorded on camera, and he passed with "flying" colors.

 

The exam was administered by his teacher, and also his status above many Asian students was confirmed in a letter to him from his teacher.

 

Whom are you referring to? 

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Just now, ralis said:

 

Whom are you referring to? 

 

Best not to have that conversation here.

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On 9/9/2019 at 7:58 PM, MildMouse23 said:

 

Hi Zork,

 

I care, and others do as well.

 

Also the top western student got further than many of the Asian students, and was examined and tested to his level.

I didn't have the chance to comment on the above.

The forum doesn't care about the "pie abundance" system.

That is a fact.

The horse has been beaten to death and there is nothing left to talk about anymore.

 

What your group does is trying to use this forum as a recruitment platform.

This is unethical to do without the consent of the owner!

You are trying to present yourself as a martyr and your system as an embattled system from various other systems that try to prevent it from coming to the surface. This is not true!

That is why you reacted to the lineage and transmission thread in the first place. You have no lineage and no transmission.

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On 9/11/2019 at 3:21 AM, Zork said:

I didn't have the chance to comment on the above.

The forum doesn't care about the "pie abundance" system.

That is a fact.

The horse has been beaten to death and there is nothing left to talk about anymore.

 

What your group does is trying to use this forum as a recruitment platform.

This is unethical to do without the consent of the owner!

You are trying to present yourself as a martyr and your system as an embattled system from various other systems that try to prevent it from coming to the surface. This is not true!

That is why you reacted to the lineage and transmission thread in the first place. You have no lineage and no transmission.

 

Some people here do care, not many but some.

 

They keep quiet because just like the right wing trolls that destroyed this place, the vocal group that opposes our system shuts down any attempt at discussion here. 

 

The behavior is exactly the same.

 

Ideally if there were a moratorium on its discussion everyone would be better off.

 

Until a moratorium comes, we will try and keep our eyes out here for like minded individuals.

 

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1 hour ago, MildMouse23 said:

They keep quite because just like the right wing trolls that destroyed this place, the vocal group that opposes our system shuts down any attempt at discussion here. 

The difference between the two groups is that the first existed, the second is only in your imagination.

 

1 hour ago, MildMouse23 said:

Ideally if there were a moratorium on its discussion everyone would be better off.

The current situation is ok. You need to change your approach. Each and every one of you is like a clone. You talk the same and you react the same like a video on repeat. That behavior is not appreciated here.

 

1 hour ago, MildMouse23 said:

Until a moratorium comes, we will try and keep our eyes out here for like minded individuals.

That is exactly the anethical part that we were talking about. You already have a reddit subreddit, a facebook page and a forum. Why do you need to recruit here?

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I must also point out that there is zero animosity from us towards mo pai (there i said it!).

I would love to have a chat with Chang while having drinks and he must be quite a guy.

He just doesn't want to teach westerners like me. So what?

His system, his choice of students.

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I came across Encephalon’s thread about Daoism and Fascism and I get the sense that this is the source of reactivity to MildMouse and the Mo Pai crew (assuming there are more than one) that post here. 

 

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1 hour ago, steve said:

I came across Encephalon’s thread about Daoism and Fascism and I get the sense that this is the source of reactivity to MildMouse and the Mo Pai crew (assuming there are more than one) that post here. 

 

Can you please elaborate because i don't see the connection?

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Until a moratorium comes, we will try and keep our eyes out here for like minded individuals.

 

 

This seems likely to create a "hall of mirrors" effect where people who have nothing at all to say about your system are seen as "like minded individuals" for sharing their thoughts on whatever unrelated subject, and those who are keeping an eye out create a self fulfilling prophecy by interjecting where they feel a system not being attacked must be defended. 

 

Messy stuff imo.

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7 hours ago, Zork said:

The difference between the two groups is that the first existed, the second is only in your imagination.

 

The current situation is ok. You need to change your approach. Each and every one of you is like a clone. You talk the same and you react the same like a video on repeat. That behavior is not appreciated here.

 

That is exactly the anethical part that we were talking about. You already have a reddit subreddit, a facebook page and a forum. Why do you need to recruit here?

 

6 hours ago, Zork said:

I must also point out that there is zero animosity from us towards mo pai (there i said it!).

I would love to have a chat with Chang while having drinks and he must be quite a guy.

He just doesn't want to teach westerners like me. So what?

His system, his choice of students.

 

 

 

There is no forest here, only a bunch of trees!

 

Unfortunately if it was only my imagination there would be no 50+ page flamewars whenenever the topic comes up.

 

We have eyes in lots of communities, sonofthegods, thedaobums, and several other forums, several subreddits, several facebook groups,  but we only have our private forum that we share together.

 

Also we aren't actively recruiting here, and only passively keep an eye out for like minded individuals.

 

Actually he wanted to teach westerners, it was the elders in the school who intervened and demanded they be removed.

 

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