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Strengthening the Blood

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On 3/24/2019 at 1:20 PM, OldDog said:

I once had my TCM practitioner advise that I should not consume pork after the age of 50. Unfortunately, his English is not very good. So, when I asked him why all I got was, "Not good!"  Any idea why he would prohibit pork?

 

Pork is very high in Arachidonic acid, a long chain Omega 6 Polyunsaturated Fatty Acid, as well as saturated fat.The Omega 6 fat is stored in the lipid complex of cells and changes cell permeability and function which  leads to disease. The saturated fat will either raise cholesterol in the blood or in the gallbladder, depending on genetics.

However, pork is China's "beef", and they eat a lot of it. So he might just be like most American doctors when they say "eat less red meat."

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11 hours ago, Song of the Dao said:

raise cholesterol in the blood

 

There is no scientific evidence that cholesterol is a bad thing. That was a scam back into 1970s.

 

11 hours ago, Song of the Dao said:

as well as saturated fat

 

As well as saturated fat.

 

11 hours ago, Song of the Dao said:

China's "beef", and they eat a lot of it.

 

Chinaman eat everything, worms, frogs, snakes, scorpions.

 

Back to the topic best way to nourish blood is to eat chlorophyll, as it is very similar to hemoglobin.

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9 hours ago, GSmaster said:

 

There is no scientific evidence that cholesterol is a bad thing. That was a scam back into 1970s.

 

You are right, cholesterol is not good or bad. To much or too little of it, depending on your genetics, does not lead to a long life.

 

But if you think high cholesterol is fine, can you explain why people with Familial Hypercholesterolemia die younger?

 

9 hours ago, GSmaster said:

As well as saturated fat.

 

Same as above, it is not good or bad, it just needs to be balanced. But in this culture we like to swing to extremes. Eat none of it! Eat only it! Saturated fat effects the body in several interesting ways, like how it changes the intestinal microbiome. For one person it might be fine, for another, not so fine.

 

9 hours ago, GSmaster said:

 

Chinaman eat everything, worms, frogs, snakes, scorpions.

 

Back to the topic best way to nourish blood is to eat chlorophyll, as it is very similar to hemoglobin.

 

Would you tell an Inuit to eat chlorophyll?

But being similar does not make them the same. We do note uses chlorophyll to transport oxygen in our blood.

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2 hours ago, Song of the Dao said:

Same as above, it is not good or bad, it just needs to be balanced.

 

All things in moderation.

 

And btw ... let's not forget the role sugar plays.

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12 hours ago, GSmaster said:

best way to nourish blood is to eat chlorophyll

 

I'll have to test that idea out.

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13 hours ago, GSmaster said:

best way to nourish blood is to eat chlorophyll, as it is very similar to hemoglobin.

 

Haemoglobin and Blood in the Daoist context are different. But there may be cross over as the dark leafy greens are ‘Blood building’.

 

Still, the ‘best’ blood nourishing things are animal meats, organs and fats - particularly beef - particularly pastured on good quality grass.

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Modern processed sugar. 

Fuck. That. Shite.

 

If only I could go back and convince my mother to never have kept that, or cow's milk in the house.

 

Milk does a body good... ffs.

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4 hours ago, Song of the Dao said:

But being similar does not make them the same. We do note uses chlorophyll to transport oxygen in our blood.

 

The body is a machine converting one elements into another. All it needs is building blocks, and chlorophyll is a perfect building block for blood, simple and easy to use.

 

4 hours ago, Song of the Dao said:

You are right, cholesterol is not good or bad. To much or too little of it, depending on your genetics, does not lead to a long life.

 

They usually talk about genetics, when they have no idea about what is going on. Cholesterol is not a cause of cholesterol clogged arteries. The cause are holes in the arteries and chronic inflammation, the body is forced to close it with cholesterol. Diet heavy in non-saturated fats such as vegetable oils, are very high in omega 3, causes that inflammation.

 

4 hours ago, Song of the Dao said:

intestinal microbiome

 

Thousands of things change intestinal microbiome and this area is poorly researched yet. We are in the infant stage of microbiome science. Come back 200 years later, may be they will make any progress.

 

30 minutes ago, freeform said:

Still, the ‘best’ blood nourishing things are animal meats, organs and fats - particularly beef - particularly pastured on good quality grass.

 

This might be true. But you should be eating organic grass fed meat, and you should be eating it raw for any of the health benefits. Eating raw meat with blood can be gross for some people. Raw Organs of animals probably are the most nutritious food, but eating them, not everyone can do.

Overeating meat / protein is known to cause lots of health issues. Keto is popular diet now, and they don't eat meat for more than 10-15% of their diet. Generally, common agreement is that you need 1.5g of protein per 1kg of body weight.

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In the late 90's when I left the acting biz, I worked for a few years in a sculpture studio that specialized in large scale productions for architectural applications.  Mostly casinos... Ceasar's Atlantic City, Atlantis Island in the Bahamas... We used a lot of Gypsum Figerglass Reinforced Cement in our pours and compound industrial rubbers for our molds.  Full hazmat suits and respirator/vapor helmets.  It was rather toxic, but hella challenging and fun.  Not everyone was anal about full coverage however all the time, particularly when the weather was hot and humid.

 

One of my co-workers shared his experience using blue/green algae as a cleanse on recommendation of his girlfriend if memory serves.  A couple days into using it, he was awakened in the middle of the night, by burning and itching hives all over his torso, arms, face and neck.  He went to the doctor who in the process of examining his skin, began to tweeze out odd little hairs that seemed to be growing out of his skin. 

 

Turns out they weren't hairs at all.  Doctor examined them under a microscope and then asked my buddy if he had ever been exposed to fiberglass.  When he replied he'd been working with it for a few years, doc said... well something is pushing the fiberglass in your body out through your skin.  Should be cleared up in a few days.  Here's a cream to apply, blah blah blah. 

 

He quit the studio very soon after.

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2 hours ago, silent thunder said:

using blue/green algae as a cleanse

 

was that chlorella or something?

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I'm not sure, but I'm curious about and will look into Chlorella.  He just described it as blue/green algae.  I never got the name of the product before we parted ways.  This was in the late 90's.

 

Years later, prompted by my recall of his experience another snippet resonated with me, about the benefits of consuming 'base line lifeforms' like algae in complex organisms like us.  Seems supported even more by recent revelations that with our burgeoning understanding of the importance of healthy microbiome in the gut is a greater indicator of disease, or sustained health and restructuring the microbiome is a more effective method of approach for long term healing than surgeries and chemical stimulants/affectors.

 

My suspicions and experience say eat yourself healthy.  And when I say eat, I mean food and thought/no thought.  Physical food being the minor effect of health by what I choose to put in my mouth and on my body; the far more impacting health effects in my case have come from what I allow myself to eat and ruminate on mentally.

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3 hours ago, GSmaster said:

 

The body is a machine converting one elements into another. All it needs is building blocks, and chlorophyll is a perfect building block for blood, simple and easy to use.

 

You have no evidence for this. It is just that simple. You can talk all day, but there is no evidence. "Building block for blood"? What does that even mean? Nothing. It is woo woo. Why is chlorophyll any better than Heme?

 

3 hours ago, GSmaster said:

They usually talk about genetics, when they have no idea about what is going on. Cholesterol is not a cause of cholesterol clogged arteries. The cause are holes in the arteries and chronic inflammation, the body is forced to close it with cholesterol. Diet heavy in non-saturated fats such as vegetable oils, are very high in omega 3, causes that inflammation.

 

Again, you have no evidence. My family has FH, and not only does it heighten the risk (note I did not say causes because yes, oxidative stress is the other factor involved) of heart disease, it is also deposits cholesterol in the skin and joints causing other issues. My brother died at 44 from a heart attack, my mother and brother also had heart attacks in their 40's. All had really high cholesterol. If high cholesterol and genetics did not matter, I would hope you can have another explanation and maybe you could cure everyone, instead of just proclaiming it does not matter. We were all tested for the gene changes that cause FH, and yeah, I have it too. I pretty much eat fish (long chain Omega 3), that's it. Plants wreck my gut and short chain PUFAs raise my cholesterol.

But FH IS a genetic disease, so why would we not talk about genetics. People who do not want to talk about genetics do not know much about human health.

I do not know what you think casues "holes in the arteries", maybe you could explain that more.

 

3 hours ago, GSmaster said:

Thousands of things change intestinal microbiome and this area is poorly researched yet. We are in the infant stage of microbiome science. Come back 200 years later, may be they will make any progress.

 

No need to be so specific in the microbiome, that is their problem. If you eat a food and your gut feels worse, it affects your microbiome.  But TCM is already on this: https://www.nature.com/articles/srep22474

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21 minutes ago, silent thunder said:

I'm not sure, but I'm curious about and will look into Chlorella.  He just described it as blue/green algae.  I never got the name of the product before we parted ways.  This was in the late 90's.

 

It was more likely spirulina, since that is a blue/green algae.

 

21 minutes ago, silent thunder said:

 

Years later, prompted by my recall of his experience another snippet resonated with me, about the benefits of consuming 'base line lifeforms' like algae in complex organisms like us.  Seems supported even more by recent revelations that with our burgeoning understanding of the importance of healthy microbiome in the gut is a greater indicator of disease, or sustained health and restructuring the microbiome is a more effective method of approach for long term healing than surgeries and chemical stimulants/affectors.

 

Spirulina has loads of B1 and B2 and it might be those two B vitamins that does more than anything else in the supplement. Note that B2 will help metabolize serotonin and dopamine in the gut by stimulating Monoamine Oxidase. Balancing serotonin in the gut will help take care of IBS as well anxiety.

 

21 minutes ago, silent thunder said:

 

My suspicions and experience say eat yourself healthy.  And when I say eat, I mean food and thought/no thought.  Physical food being the minor effect of health by what I choose to put in my mouth and on my body; the far more impacting health effects in my case have come from what I allow myself to eat and ruminate on mentally.

 

Yup.

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Chlorella and spirulina are both excellent. They nourish both kidney Yin and blood (ideal for cultivators)... along with other very useful properties.

 

Make sure you know the source you’re getting them from. I tend to buy in bulk (kilos). Tablets are better than powder because there’s less oxidation in the centre of the tablet. 

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Here's a question.  When do you need to strengthen the blood? 

 

For woman would it be after a period?

For men, after ejaculation or when feeling weak or seasonally? 

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23 minutes ago, thelerner said:

Here's a question.  When do you need to strengthen the blood? 

 

For woman would it be after a period?

For men, after ejaculation or when feeling weak or seasonally? 

 

When it's deficient. Chinese Medicine practitioners perceive blood deficiency in the pulse, tongue, and with signs and symptoms.

 

Or people can do the folk medicine and longevity approach, where they just continually nourish their blood regardless of whether they need to or not. There's something to be said for that, too.

 

Sometimes practitioners do cyclical treatments, where they follow the rhythm of the body, and nourish blood after the period is over. Postpartum is considered the worst time of deficiency, no matter what.

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Tbh, you could just charge blood with Qi through practice.

 

6 hours ago, Song of the Dao said:

lants wreck my gut

 

What kind of plants?

 

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SotD if you are unable to tolerate some foods, that is not a sign that they affect your microbiome, but is the sign, that your microbiome is already broken.

 

Could use this as a key, to start solving those issues.

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6 hours ago, GSmaster said:

SotD if you are unable to tolerate some foods, that is not a sign that they affect your microbiome, but is the sign, that your microbiome is already broken.

 

Could use this as a key, to start solving those issues.

 

My issues are solved, but thanks. Not all us us are the same, because genetics. I am a FUT2 non-secretor and lactose intolerant, therefore I am a freak for a European. Yes, some people eat bad food and have a bad microbiome, but I come from Inuit people so I needed to eat like them to get better, which is very different from a farmer's diet.

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1 hour ago, Song of the Dao said:

lactose intolerant

 

Lactose and gluten intolerance is normal, because both of it are toxins, I can eat it sometimes, but the consequences are obvious.

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9 minutes ago, GSmaster said:

Lactose and gluten intolerance is normal, because both of it are toxins, I can eat it sometimes, but the consequences are obvious.

 

No, they it is not normal, it depend on genetics (LCT and MCM for lactose and several HLA genes for gluten). And they are not toxins. They have both led to the overpopulation of the farmer types in the world. There are a few of us left who cannot tolerate lactose past infancy or gluten at any age.

Individual genetic variance is under appreciated.

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28 minutes ago, Song of the Dao said:

And they are not toxins.

 

They are toxins, as is sugar, alcohol, tobacco.

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What was it written above the entrance to the Oracle at Delphi?  'know thyself'?

Strong advice in any age. 

Learn your body's rhythms and tendencies.  Listen to it, it doesn't lie.

 

My wife can eat neither gluten, nor dairy without consequences, sometimes severe.  Bless her, she'll still try on occasion, because she loves many foods with these in them and interestingly we have found that when her stress levels are low, her tolerance increases, sometimes dramatically.

 

While I can eat nigh on anything and not suffer outwardly, though in spite of that, I still choose to eschew [ha] most diary, gluten and processed foods, unless eating at a friends or in restaurants, which isn't that often... as I prefer prevention over treatments in all but a few cases.

 

 

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