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Xiao Yao Pai & Xiantian Dao Yin Shu - [OFFICIAL THREAD]

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Flowing hands what you saying make very much sense.

 

but I have question for Effilang. How the school can help and touch emotions of people? Can FFS can heal emotions of people? Do you know people in depression or any other kind of state of suffering (broken heart etc) able to cope with FFS thru those existential problems?

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I will answer all your questions fellas, in due time. Pinky promise : )

Need to tune down from all the event craziness.

 

Meanwhile here is our first testimonial from one of this weekends London initiated (Dao Yu)

The proof is in the pudding!
 
TESTIMONIAL 28
 
I am writing from the perspective of a complete spiritual noob - prior to the initiation I had exactly 4 hours in total of meditation for my whole life…and that’s it. The main incentive for me to start practicing Tao Yin Shu is also rather shallow – I wanted to experience something ‘supernatural’ so as far as I knew, Xiao Yao Pai is the only school that lets you use a ‘shortcut’ in a sense that you don’t need to have meditated and cultivated spirit for years for amazing things to start happening from the beginning. Sounded perfect for a lazy ass like myself so there was no second thought on whether I should join or not.
 
Of course as a beginner, I didn’t imagine that my Fu Fa Shen would be able to connect with me straight away and was not bothered, I was eager to wait as much as it’s needed but OH MY! To describe what happened to me for the past two days as ‘mind-blowing’ would be an understatement. I may say so because I am young and impressionable… or because being physically moved by an immortal that resides in another realm is an experience that can’t be obtained anywhere now or in 500 years, neither though VR technology, years of isolation, meditation, fasting, self-mummification or whatever. In fact, the art is completely effortless and most importantly – unbiased and unselective - it accepts, guides and treats the spiritually elevated practitioner and the sceptic willing-to-try-just-to-prove-it’s-nonsense-non-believer equally. And I dare to give bold statements like that only because I saw it with my own eyes and experienced it inside my entire body.
 
I was initiated on the 5th of November (2 days ago) in London. The ceremony felt peaceful and soothing to me, looked nothing like the scenes from the Exorcist or The Conjuring (that’s how I was imagining it to be). We were given incense sticks and the ‘password’ by the masters, sat quietly with our palms pressed lightly together on the chest level and waited for the miracle to happen. After a minute, before I started feeling anything, I heard light clapping behind me – someone from the group was already being moved. I envied, tried to focus harder. After a few seconds I felt IT and my heart was overflowing with joy. My doubts were gone forever - they were never about the credibility of the art, but rather about my worthiness to feel it straight away. As my palms were pressed together, I felt a very gentle, subtle energy between them…like a magnetic field that was spreading and attracting them again with only about a 1cm or 2 trajectory – in and out, in and out. We stopped and later on I learned most people were moving and doing all sorts of manoeuvres apart from me and another person. But I didn’t care because I had felt it and it definitely was not coming from my imagination.
 
Later that evening, I sat comfortably, dimmed the lights, closed my eyes and recited the ‘password’. I admit I was anxious that nothing will happen now that I was on my own. In my mind I said to my FFS that I don’t mind being pushed hard, pulled, moved in any way, that I am not scared and I completely surrender. As soon as I thought that my arms spread and this time it wasn’t 1-2cm, it was all the way to the wall behind me, they were kept there and after 10 seconds pushed lightly together again. That exercise was repeated twice and I was so overwhelmed that I needed time to process what just happened. I opened my eyes and started laughing.
 
The second day of the event started with a group practice – the same thing happened – my arms were wide spread and closed 2-3 times. When I was analysing the logic behind it I figured my FFS must have seen that I have back pains sometimes because of wrong posture and he/she started working straight on the issue. Later that night I was so tired but didn’t want to miss my practice session so I sat again leaning my back on the wall, called FFS and again straight away my arms started spreading and closing. The closing lasted only a second while the spreading - 10 and it took me a while to realise the wall behind me was a barrier, so I moved and then my arms were pushed back as much as my flexibility allowed. It felt so good! I repeated this exercise for about 15 minutes and then it stopped, but I was like: ‘Noooo, can we please continue, I want more…’So my lovely FFS made me lay on the floor and started stretching my hands as if I was doing jumping jacks on the floor. I guess that’s why last night I slept like a baby. I am looking forward to continuing my practice.
 
For anyone who is sceptical about it, my only advice is to do it. If it doesn’t work (IT DOES!) you will know for sure and clear your doubts, if it does (IT DOES!), you will embark on the most exciting adventure in your life, you will gain a personal teacher, a friend, a healer available to you at any time like a genie in a lamp (pretty unedifying definition for the high divine power of FFS, but that is what I can say in consumerism language). I can’t talk about it without sounding like a Teleshop TV commercial from the 90’s: ‘What are you waiting for? Do not hesitate!’
 
DAO YING - NOV 2016 - LONDON | UK
 
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That's sound like dream come true for spiritual practitioners. How person can be initiated besides waiting for initiation in UK or US? There is way to travel for initiation?

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I was interested in this system, but emailed Effi with a question and he didn't reply.

 

I was particularly concerned with the point above. Ie. Quitting the system if you no longer wished to practice.

 

This seems like a very serious issue. You're effectively establishing a karmic relationship with a spirit that you know nothing about. When you die, you will owe it a debt.

 

There are too many unknowns here. I would urge people to think about this carefully, and go in with full awareness. These are solemn karmic vows you are making.

 

Hi Vajra,

 

Terminating the apprenticeship is very simple.

We just have to speak some words and address Tai Shang directly to make a sincere request; then the membership, connection and opportunity is dissolved for this life time. The practitioner will then have to find the school once more in another life if they wish to be initiated again. Once per life : )

 

Also, there is no obligation between us Fu Fa Shen, Sifu, your initiator or the physical or celestial branch of the school.

 

Our motto is Xiao Yao Zi Zai - and our schools name is "Xiao Yao" Pai, so we always maintain a carefree and easy going attitude in all respects, all our practitioners after some years become like this. They are just carefree and easy going beause the mind has been relieved of prejudices. It's an ongoing development so we are always Xiu Xin Yang Xing.

 

Karma is always give and take.

When any Xian applies with Tai Shang to become an official Fu Fa Shen in our school, they can also do it for Gong De; to accumulate merit. So when a FFS teaches you and helps you on your path by guiding you along our schools curriculum, they also generate Gong De, which they can then manifest into spiritual power through their ongoing cultivation.

 

Some FFS are 1000 years old, some 5000, some 10,000, some are as old as numbers that I do not know how to pronounce.

 

When you sign up to go to a public school, you have your headmaster and each class has their head teacher.

FFS is like the head teacher, while Tai Shang is the headmaster and director.

 

Sometimes you need to go to another class to meet another teacher for another subject, and sometimes your head teacher will also change when you move up a year, but if you decide to leave the school, you do not pay your teachers any money or owe them any debt : ) - you can just say thanks for teaching me, then you can go : )

 

And about it being a "serious issue". I ask you this, how is it any more serious than any other karmic relationship establish with any other soul that we meet? Something is a miss there in your reasoning.

 

Karma applies to everyone, squirrels and immortals alike.

The difference is in the level of Wisdom, Spiritual Skill, Gong De (accumulated merit through selfless deeds) and Awareness.

 

After a certain level any spiritual cultivator will become conscious enough to eject from the karmic current, but this does not negate their karma. It just means they can delay their reincarnation. So if someone focuses only on spiritual cultivation to solidify their subtle body, yes, they can choose not to enter Taiji again for a natural birth, after their death, but their karma is still there, waiting to be collected or paid to whichever souls they have interacted with, so sooner or later depending on the type of karma, they must willingly enter Taiji again through a natural birth in order to meet the souls with which they share a karmic affinity and neutralize the relationship.

 

Some karma is lighter than others, so it can even be broken down or lessened, but others are quite heavy, like the karma of taking a life.

 

So if the karma is light a new immortal can actually chose to become a FFS and guide someone through dreams, through practice, through their daily life, and in this way they can repay the karma to neutralize the connection, while avoiding entering the physical dimension (Taiji) through a natural birth.

 

There are many different types of cases, it's not a linear matter.

 

So we must focus on Spiritual Cultivation for Yang Shen, Gong De (merit) and developing our Wu (wisdom).

One without the other is incomplete and will usually require some form of reincarnation. Whether the reincarnation is voluntary or involuntary will depend on the level of the cultivator : )

 

So again, when it comes to FFS, there is nothing owed, because as they teach they accumulate Gong De.

 

In terms of anything carrying over to a next life ie if you dissolve the apprenticeship in this life.

It is possible that your old FFS will become your FFS again in that life, because there is an affinity, but not a debt.

 

So please, nobody should think they owe anything haha

The immortals don't need anything from us, only low level spirits will hold you in debt, not a Daoist Xian Shen and definitely not a Daoist Tian Shen

 

"Xiao Yao" - It's in the name : )

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That's sound like dream come true for spiritual practitioners. How person can be initiated besides waiting for initiation in UK or US? There is way to travel for initiation?

 

Hi Seeker,

 

English speakers have to wait for an initiation in the west, because there is 2 days worth of information to cover. If you speak Indonesian, I can arrange an initiation in Indonesia, but we prefer for those form the west to wait for an initiation in UK, US or AUS so they have a solid foundation.

 

If my schedule is in order, I'll aim for end of 2017.

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Flowing hands what you saying make very much sense. but I have question for Effilang. How the school can help and touch emotions of people? Can FFS can heal emotions of people? Do you know people in depression or any other kind of state of suffering (broken heart etc) able to cope with FFS thru those existential problems?

 

The physical dimension in which we live (Taiji) has three energies:

 

Jing: physical matter such as; muscles, bones, tissues, fascia, phlegm, hormones, saliva, cerebrospinal fluids, sperm, sweat, tears, marrow etc.

 

Qi: the subtle energy which flows through our meridians, also our organ energies and emotions.

 

Shen: the complex of the acquired consciousness (the egoic mind and transient identity)

 

These movement and combination of these three energies in different qualities and quantities helps to create all manner of life, but all their movement is limited to Taiji. If you think of a big ball then these post-natal San Bao (three treasures) are inside the ball.

 

In Houtian systems (Post heavenly systems without immortal guidance), the disciple cultivates their awareness and energy to move up through the 3 Dantien. JING > QI > SHEN

 

JING vibrates the slowest, that is why it is most visible and perceptible and palpable eg: you can feel your hands, your your spit, you can see your blood if you cut yourself etc. This is because of the frequency. Just like a hellicopters rotor blade, when its slow, we can see it, but when it begins to move very fast and the frequency increases it looks like it disappears all together. So there are something we can see and some things we can't see, some things our body can feel by itself and others it cant.

 

Qi vibrates much faster. Up till today, scientists still havent developed the equipment to detect Qi or feelings, and yet it is there and we can feel our emotions flowing from one state and into another following basic 5 element theory in TCM.

 

SHEN is the highest vibration in the Taiji dimension (physical dimension of duality).

The mind can be lightning fast, but still it is a Taiji energy.

 

The rules is that all things under Taiji follow the way of Yin and Yang. They ebb and flow, so that which is born must die. This is the basis of physical phenomena in our dimension.

 

If we focus on cultivating the body only, when we die, we cannot take it with us, it will return to the earth and turn into minerals to be absorbed by the soil or eaten by animals. We can make our body insanely strong, just look at any body builder, some can lift up to 1000lbs. Its amazing, and if you compare them to any other human, they will appear super natural, but they also will die.

 

If we cultivate only our physical Qi, we enable conscious control of our subtle energy, we can develop some skills and even use our extra energy to project it from the body to heal others. If a natural persons looks at this, you will appear super natural, some might even call you a magician or a holy one, but when the time comes to die, you cannot take this energy with you, because it is still under Taiji.

 

If we focus on cultivating the mind (the highest vibration in Taiji) and we study hard, go to university, become a specialist, get a masters and a doctorate and accumulate thousands of books worth of knowledge, others might look at how smart and intellectual we are, and we will appear as though we are super naturally smart, but when we die, this mind that we have developed, we also cannot take it with us. Even though through post natal Shen gong you can learn to project your awareness and go and visit distant places with your subtle body, astral travel and so on and so forth, it is still just physical energy or if you prefer TAIJI energy. That is all. It is impossible to take it into the non-physical dimension (WUJI) because it is anchored in the physical body : )

 

Most of what people practice and demonstrate in many schools today are simple Taiji skills.

Yes, from the viewpoint of many people, it can seem truly miraculous, but this energy is impermanent and governed by the dynamic of Yin and Yang and so where it is born it will also die.

 

All these practices are good, but it is not spiritual cultivation.

 

So in Houtian Neidan, what is the purpose? We learn to move our awareness and energy from Jing to Qi to Shen, when we consciously enter the SHEN level of cultivation, it means our vibration is beginning to push up against the wall of the ball. It is like a child little chick trying to break the shell to come out into the world.

 

This is actually the level at which pre-heaven, Xian Tian cultivation can begin, only after our consciousness can break outside of Taiji, so you must penetrate that membrane of physicality in order for your awareness to enter Wuji where genuine spirit work begins.

 

In this dimension, it is possible to actual cultivate the eternal soul and the original mind and to begin to unify the 3 Hun and 7 Po into Yang Shen. Neidan is the returning path, so we follow the reverse Ba Gua and unify everything back into one point of oneness.

 

If a person cannot get to this level, then their consciousness is still trapped in Taiji.

When they die, they will reincarnate, like it or not : )

 

First you must penetrate Taiji and exit to enter Wuji, then you awareness must learn to grow and function in Wuji so it can become independent.

 

In all these processes our Fu Fa Shen guides us.

The difference with our school is that we are not Houtian, we are Xiantian, so rather than a human, we follow an immortal that guides us and rather than having to raise our energy from Jing to Qi to Shen first in order that we can begin to communicate with the divine realm and study from the Xian, during the initiation, our Yuan Shen is activated directly and we can establish a connection to Wuji and directly to our school-assigned Fu Fa Shen.

 

The perspective of FFS is such that they can see you on every level. Physicaly, Emotionally, Mentally and Spiritually on a soul level. They know your past and your present and they function beyond space-time. By the time you think of your FFS, he/she is already present : ) - this is because our mind is part of Taiji energy and bound by space and time, while FFS in Wuji is beyond that envelope all together.

 

Whenever FFS begins to refine you, he will always go directly to the root. It's only been a few days since the UK initiation and I'm already getting lots of messages from Dao Yu about how their FFS know exactly what their problem is and prescribing exercises to deal with the issue. One Dao Yu was practicing for around 3 hours with heir FFS yesterday in just one session.

 

Some at the initiation, their FFS was guiding them to perform accupressure on certain points and to flush energy out of the hand. I will show you all pictures and videos after I have post produced everything : )

 

So, yes, FFS works with you on all levels, to refine the post-natal Jing Qi and Shen, but also to refine the pre-natal Spirit, The Soul and the Original Mind. So any condition is ok, FFS can see it and knows how to cure it. To them you are just like a little baby. Even your greatest problem in life is just childsplay to them : )

 

More testimonials are coming in so youll be able to read for yourself soon.

I'll post them here.

 

Sorry for typos, was rushing.

Best wishes.

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Yes very cool exp.

 

So as in relation to skill or ability does this mean the spirit immortal can be used for other things as well?

 

What stops it from becoming violent?

 

Does one develop the ability to heal others, internal power, some type of spiritual power and so forth?

 

What does long term and short term practice get you?

 

Can this be done with taichi? Does it enhance taichi or my other practices?

 

What if one no longer wants to do Xiao Yao Pai is there a un-initiation?

 

Now if your a pai then you should have some rare herbal tonics and teas is this correct?

 

Does the training develop a strong wei field?

 

 

Are there levels to this system  and if so how many?

 

 

Also do you guys have a lineage chart?

 

Is the mco orbit opened with this practice if so is it early on or later?

 

 

Here's my question what are you guys cultivating I know you train to reach yang shen but what do you call it in your system. Also other than good health and feeling good what else can be cultivated thru this art like what skill is the pai known for?

 

 

Answers please should be very simple to answer if you are authentic.....

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Just wow. I can understand now why you want to have most of people initiated as the basis is heaven and earth in harmony but people seems to be out of harmony with heaven (FFS, Wuji). 

 

It's very clear cut. I think there is nothing to add, you clearly have good insight and heart. I wish we had this kind of religion/traditions in everyday life or every corner so everybody would learn how to live in harmony with spirit, mind and body.

 

All the best for dear practitioners and Xiao Yao Pai. 

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Answers please should be very simple to answer if you are authentic.....

 

Actually, because I'm authentic, I can do whatever it is I want to, and that includes choosing who to answer and who not to answer based on their attitude.

 

I was already typing up the answers to your questions, despite having answered them many times before, but after that message, I think I can definitely find something better to do with my time, especially on my birthday ;)

 

If you wish to, you can search our Facebook group for the answers to all those questions, or not.

It's entirely up to you. I don't owe you even one peanut : )

 

Best wishes.

Xuan Daoji

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Just wow. I can understand now why you want to have most of people initiated as the basis is heaven and earth in harmony but people seems to be out of harmony with heaven (FFS, Wuji). 

 

It's very clear cut. I think there is nothing to add, you clearly have good insight and heart. I wish we had this kind of religion/traditions in everyday life or every corner so everybody would learn how to live in harmony with spirit, mind and body.

 

All the best for dear practitioners and Xiao Yao Pai. 

 

Yes, it all sounds very fantastical. The words don't matter. I can claim anything actually, but it could all be bullshit.

So in our school we don't waste too much time on talking. If anyone wants to try to see if it's true, the initiation is there : )

 

Please, don't believe me. I want you to know it for yourself. That's the key. Don't follow me, lead yourself.

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Actually, because I'm authentic, I can do whatever it is I want to, and that includes choosing who to answer and who not to answer based on their attitude.

 

I was already typing up the answers to your questions, despite having answered them many times before, but after that message, I think I can definitely find something better to do with my time, especially on my birthday ;)

 

If you wish to, you can search our Facebook group for the answers to all those questions, or not.

It's entirely up to you. I don't owe you even one peanut : )

 

Best wishes.

Xuan Daoji

 

 

Whatever that was days ago when I posted that you said you were going to I waited now your going back on your word...

 

being authentic means you can answer basic questions I dont know seems a bit shady to me...

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Actually, because I'm authentic, I can do whatever it is I want to, and that includes choosing who to answer and who not to answer based on their attitude.

 

I was already typing up the answers to your questions, despite having answered them many times before, but after that message, I think I can definitely find something better to do with my time, especially on my birthday ;)

 

If you wish to, you can search our Facebook group for the answers to all those questions, or not.

It's entirely up to you. I don't owe you even one peanut : )

 

Best wishes.

Xuan Daoji

Happy birthday!
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I would not say fantastical I would say the way it should be look like. Practical that what I found beside all those things and experience we have occasion to practice something practical - that the most important factor I think.

 

Also hope you do not mind and happy b'day for you of course. How one know that he is progressing? The connection of FFS is stronger? He can project/dissolve body into yang shen? There are steps/leveles/mind changes which are mile stones? 

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Another testimonial from last weeks London initiated.



Short, but sweet! Thank you for sharing your experiences with Xian Tian Dao Yin Shu and encouraging others.



 



TESTIMONIAL 30:



 



When I first learned of the school Xiao Yao Pai it seemed almost too good to be true. After waiting for over a year the day of the initiation finally came. I had forced myself to remain a little skeptical but when I called my Fu Fa Shen after being initiated a felt an invisible force move my torso in a circular motion while I was sitting on a chair. After the initiation when I got back to my hotel room I had a smile on my face because I knew what I was experiencing was really happening. I called the FFS and he/she started to move me around the hotel room cracking my joints back in their places. That was followed by qigong movements and sitting meditation. If you ever have the chance I suggest you to attend the initiation ceremony!



 




DAO YING - NOV 2016 - LONDON | UK

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This one is from my good friend Lukasz.

 



He was a total sceptic until the last moment. He even declined to be initiated in the beginning in order to observe everyone else's reactions first. By the end of the second day there was nowhere to hide! He had seen the others connect on the first day and heard them share their amazing experiences on the second! Sometimes you just have to be brave and take the jump. There's only one way to know and that's to try it! Thank you for believing in yourself and for believing in me. I'm proud to call you a Dao Yu and look forward to your development : )



 



TESTIMONIAL 31:



 



Since I can remember, I was sceptical about any spiritual/religious concept, and I removed any of those ideas from my life as soon as I became aware of world around me. I Focused my understanding of life on science as we know it, maths, physics, biology, chemistry.



 



How I ended up on Initiation Event? Long story short - Someone I know and turst, claimed that he can prove me that its real. So I agreed to open my mind and take part in it.



 



Day 1 - I decided not to get initiated that day, I stayed back and observed other people during the process, alot of them started moving, some of them just slightly, some of them moved really intense. It got me thinking, I became more curious, but still stayed sceptical. For the rest of the day I've been just listening trying to understand what I witnessed.



 



By the end of the day, all I was certain about is that During initiation People were moving, and I was left with questions, Was it FFS? Or maybe it's all of them, just following their imagination? But how come that almost everyone moved, and everyone claimed that they felt something?



 



And here comes day 2, I woke up, so curious, feeling like I need more answers, but I didn't knew what to ask about really. So for the rest of the day I've been asking about things related to what we were discussing during lecture, or other random questions during breakes etc. At some point, I realized that only way to find out is to get initiated, and said to myself



 



"what's the worst that could happened? If there is something there, or nothing at all, I'm still gonna feed my curiousity".



 



We agreed to perform initiation on me after we finish Day 2 lecture. The time came, almost everyone left by now. I sat down, still sceptical, but really, REALLY curious. I Invited FFS, and my arms spread, I was aware of everything around, but it wasn't me moving my body, it was just very gentle push. At some point, when my amrs started to spread really far I said to myself (or actually FFS) that I believe(or understand), and asked Him/Her to stop pushing further for now, and my arms just stopped. I was asked to stay focus, but it was so shocking for me, in my mind I could only think about what's just happened. After initiation I just sat in that chair, in shock, but happy, really filled with hapiness, whas it because my curiousity was finally fed, or was it because I found my teacher? A little bit of both for sure.



 



Since that I practiced 4 times, each time doing a little progress, small steps, that's what I asked for, since it was very difficult to process what happened, what I experienced. After all, my whole understanding of world surrounding me was kinda changed, and I was afraid of it, maybe I still am a little bit, but also someone told me to be brave, so I'm trying my best



 



But, You'll have to see for yourself



 




DAO YING - NOV 2016 - LONDON | UK

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Xiao Yao Pai you made a mistake by deleting my post......

 

I asked fair questions in the open so all could see.

 

None of the questions were insults in any way now ill tell my cantonese master to look at Xiao Yao Pai...

 

where there's smoke there's fire.

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I have not done a detailed testimonial for my Xiao Yao Pai initiation in VA last week--I have a muscular disease that prohibits much of my activity (metabolic myopathy). I can say definitively that the relationship with FFS is legit; on the first day I was doing stretches and massaging of crisis pain that I've had in my shoulder for months (about 40% range of motion, extreme weakness, pain throughout day). I am improving when before I was spiraling down. Additionally, the qigong breathing described in the seminar is being automatically taught to me by FFS. It is not something I would normally attempt, as it's more martial and uses a lot of abdominal compression and holding of the breath. I feel the energy building up and coursing through my trouble areas--hand positions are placed on various energy centers, as well as automatic mudras. The largest benefit for me now is hope for improvement on a condition that no doctor I've seen can help, that I've suffered for over 15 years steadily worsening.

 

Gratitude for effiliang and zerostao for all the info they've shared here over the years; I owe them and this site for my good fortune in finding Xiao Yao Pai! 

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Xiao Yao Pai you made a mistake by deleting my post......

 

I asked fair questions in the open so all could see.

 

None of the questions were insults in any way now ill tell my cantonese master to look at Xiao Yao Pai...

 

where there's smoke there's fire.

 

I kindly provided you with a link to where you could find all the answers to the questions you asked and I clearly told you I had answered them there before. Did I not?

 

Despite that you continued. I'm sorry that you feel entitled, but I don't owe you any special service : )

In regards to your master, please, PLEASE, PLEASE, tell him to check on us.

 

I would love nothing more!

Invite him to the next initiation so he can test us directly.

 

You can extend an official invitation to him from me and he can contact me directly via e-mail if he wishes xuan@spiritualdaoism.com

 

That aside, If you're happy to tone down and keep on topic, I'm more than happy to attend to you, otherwise I will keep this thread decent and on topic - and after all, lets be reasonable: You can't really make any claims about anything that has to do with our school, because you've never been to an initiation : )

 

Talk is cheap, so lets do this.

Come and test it : )

 

Best wishes  :closedeyes:

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I kindly provided you with a link to where you could find all the answers to the questions you asked and I clearly told you I had answered them there before. Did I not?

 

Despite that you continued. I'm sorry that you feel entitled, but I don't owe you any special service : )

In regards to your master, please, PLEASE, PLEASE, tell him to check on us.

 

I would love nothing more!

Invite him to the next initiation so he can test us directly.

 

You can extend an official invitation to him from me and he can contact me directly via e-mail if he wishes xuan@spiritualdaoism.com

 

That aside, If you're happy to tone down and keep on topic, I'm more than happy to attend to you, otherwise I will keep this thread decent and on topic - and after all, lets be reasonable: You can't really make any claims about anything that has to do with our school, because you've never been to an initiation : )

 

Talk is cheap, so lets do this.

Come and test it : )

 

Best wishes  :closedeyes:

 

You had best be careful if your sect does not have the purple gold elixir currently then....

 

I will tell my sifu but answering simple questions will help your cause.

 

All alchemy comes from heaven we know of the 3 pure ones you mention but to our understanding a new guardian of the taichi gate has not been chosen...

 

My sifu knows  all I do Ive already told him so be good for goodness sake....

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I have not done a detailed testimonial for my Xiao Yao Pai initiation in VA last week--I have a muscular disease that prohibits much of my activity (metabolic myopathy). I can say definitively that the relationship with FFS is legit; on the first day I was doing stretches and massaging of crisis pain that I've had in my shoulder for months (about 40% range of motion, extreme weakness, pain throughout day). I am improving when before I was spiraling down. Additionally, the qigong breathing described in the seminar is being automatically taught to me by FFS. It is not something I would normally attempt, as it's more martial and uses a lot of abdominal compression and holding of the breath. I feel the energy building up and coursing through my trouble areas--hand positions are placed on various energy centers, as well as automatic mudras. The largest benefit for me now is hope for improvement on a condition that no doctor I've seen can help, that I've suffered for over 15 years steadily worsening.

 

Gratitude for effiliang and zerostao for all the info they've shared here over the years; I owe them and this site for my good fortune in finding Xiao Yao Pai! 

 

Thank you for sharing that. I appreciate your sincerity.

Give it time, FFS always knows our weakness and how to approach it. Now you know it for yourself!

 

I've seen some incredible healings after initiation.

 

A doctor in the Phillipines was on dialysis twice a week for a long time, and as a medical practitioner he was quite aware of the severity of this condition and almost lost hope for recovery. To be quite frank even we were worried that his initiation was too late for Hu Fa Shen to help with the condition. Alas, less than a year after he was initiated he stopped the dialysis completely.

 

From 2 times a week to no dialysis in 4 months.

I was really happy for him  :D

 

So I have no doubt you'll get better, just keep practising : )

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You had best be careful if your sect does not have the purple gold elixir currently then....

 

I will tell my sifu but answering simple questions will help your cause.

 

All alchemy comes from heaven we know of the 3 pure ones you mention but to our understanding a new guardian of the taichi gate has not been chosen...

 

My sifu knows  all I do Ive already told him so be good for goodness sake....

 

No need for questions.

 

I look forward to meeting your Sifu at next years initiation where we can do some practical stuff.

 

Enough philosophy : )

Good luck.  :D

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No need for questions. I look forward to meeting your Sifu at next years initiation.

 

Good luck.  :D

 You can meet me. ...lol

 

Ill hold you to your word.

 

you speak of the taichi gate but not the one above it the dragon gate.

 

Oh well.

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 You can meet me. ...lol

 

Ill hold you to your word.

 

you speak of the taichi gate but not the one above it the dragon gate.

 

Oh well.

 

Doesn't matter who it is. It's fine. See you at the next initiation : )

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Doesn't matter who it is. It's fine. See you at the next initiation : )

 

Ha ha you dont know. Why does everyone act so high ha ha.

 

u come on a taoist forum and think that you are the only one. 

 

Only true sincerity and humility can reflect the natural state.

 

The only thing a taoist fears is the virtue of others.

 

We come from a gate that represents the earthly plane if someone of our lineage shows up it means that your lineage has fucked up.....

 

We come from the divine qilin of heaven that sits on the right and left hand of god sent to protect this realm but yes we will come check you out it is our right to remove lineages off of the map.

 

Thus is the right of all of those who have the purple gold elixir.

 

Btw we know all of what happen from persia to india to china....

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Ha ha you dont know. Why does everyone act so high ha ha.

 

u come on a taoist forum and think that you are the only one. 

 

Only true sincerity and humility can reflect the natural state.

 

The only thing a taoist fears is the virtue of others.

 

We come from a gate that represents the earthly plane if someone of our lineage shows up it means that your lineage has fucked up.....

 

We come from the divine qilin of heaven that sits on the right and left hand of god sent to protect this realm but yes we will come check you out it is our right to remove lineages off of the map.

 

Thus is the right of all of those who have the purple gold elixir.

 

Btw we know all of what happen from persia to india to china....

 

That's all great. If you can, please bring your Sifu to the initiation also : )

If you don't mind I'd like to record everything on video.

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