Xiao Yao Pai & Xiantian Dao Yin Shu - [OFFICIAL THREAD]

[zerostao]

I've been talking to the good folks over in Indonesia, 

I will forward your inquiry. 

[Vajra Fist]

1 hour ago, zerostao said:

I've been talking to the good folks over in Indonesia, 

I will forward your inquiry. 

 

Thanks buddy, really curious about the answer. I've been interested in this system for a while 

[zerostao]

4 hours ago, Vajra Fist said:

 

Thanks buddy, really curious about the answer. I've been interested in this system for a while 

It is going to depend on the taoyu (initiate), mainly their effort in life and effort in cultivation. 

no one said it would be easy.

Going to have to strive to have a quality near a divine one.

 

I hope this helps answer your question Vajra Fist.

 

Edited June 3, 2020 by zerostao

[Iskote]

1 hour ago, zerostao said:

I hope this helps answer your question Vajra Fist.

 

Hello zerostao. Are you an initiate of this system, and, if so, in general what is your experience with it? 

 

[zerostao]

7 minutes ago, Iskote said:

 

Hello zerostao. Are you an initiate of this system, and, if so, in general what is your experience with it? 

 

Initiated 8 years ago. My experience is a positive one. 

This is effilang's thread. 

An older thread I ran can be found in my personal practice section.

I've thought of starting a new XYP thread, probably also in my personal practice section. 

[Iskote]

5 minutes ago, zerostao said:

Initiated 8 years ago. My experience is a positive one. 

This is effilang's thread. 

An older thread I ran can be found in my personal practice section.

I've thought of starting a new XYP thread, probably also in my personal practice section. 

 

Thanks for the feedback and info about your thread. . 

[effilang]

TESTIMONIAL 55:

 

It's never too late as they say! So here is a testimonial that just came in today from last year's London initiation:

 

10 months ago, I took an initiation in the Xiao Yao Pai tradition.

 

Prior to this, I experienced a few Eastern and Western traditions and assisted various empowerments, ceremonies and rituals. 

Entering the initiation I actually had no real expectation, the idea of having an “Immortal Fu fa Shen” and feeling some form of “divine guidance” was kind of alien to me… I just wanted to learn more about taoism and Chi kung and get a taster of different chi kung styles, as I’ve been doing hard chi kung for the last few years.

 

During the ceremony I remember cheating a bit and opening my eyes as I felt nothing, around me various people waving their hand in the air and I thought for a few second “WHERE DID I END UP ”. Then suddenly my hand … a “magnetic” not fully “labelable” push pull sensation started. I was amused by it and just remember the good old hypnotic magnetic hand induction that I use to play with longtime ago… oh well I Have I just been hypnotised … 

 

We spent some time listening to a few interesting talks, socialised a bit and went home where I obviously had to try again … And it worked … Well, I was just under a nice hypnotic trance wasn’t I? …

 

I Went for the second day as I appreciate the course and the people I met.

I gave up for a few days and tried again over and over for minutes sometimes hours to understand what was going on. All possible scenarios started to run in my mind… is this a real Immortal … Is this Chi ?… is this benevolent? … is this just some magnetic energy ?…. am I being possessed? … will I end up doing 360 with my head vomiting on the walls ?… Is this just me ?. 

 

I also annoyed a few of the seniors Dao Yu with my distorted analysis who gave me a sharp, direct and honest answers.

 

I decided to stop the training till I get a bit more clarity, and stoped for a few months… Life took back as normal … No HFS … No invisible friend… Yipee !!! I am normal again and can start back on a beautiful mundane life….

 

After a few months … The movements were still there, I carried the practice remembering the wise words of a great Dao Yu : “The proof is in the pudding” and that  my initial set of practices felt quite good and benevolent, nothing really bad happened during rather the contrary… it was mainly my own mis judgments, fears that set me back as usual…

 

I practiced more and more with my HFS, and what a beautiful practice I must say. 

 

I am still not sure of anything  but what I am sure is that in moments of extreme physical pain (excruciating migraines since childhood) the practice and the Kindness of the HFS heals me.

I would like to thank Xiao Yao Pai, our elders for passing this beautiful tradition. Word are not enough. All I seen was beauty and purity .

 

Anon.
DAO YING | LONDON, UK | OCTOBER 2019

Edited July 19, 2020 by effilang

[effilang]

On 20/11/2019 at 10:46 AM, Vajra Fist said:

Apologies if you've addressed this, but what happens to you after death in this system? Do you become a hu fa shen for someone else, in order to accrue good karma and continue ascending? 

 

I've been thinking of these issues for around two years since first learning of this system, and I wonder if such a fate is even desirable?

 

Sorry buddy, this one completely skipped me. Thanks for taking care of it, Zero.

 

I'll chip in with some additional information:

 

There are several scenarios as zeros said, and as we would imagine aught to be the case; they manifests in relation to your personal efforts. 

 

These are some of the possibilities:

1. You're initiated and receive HFS. 

- You practice, but you don't practice enough. 

- You die and you reincarnate. 

- Next life you have to be initiated again. 

- You retain your developments as they are part of your consciousness. More talents and abilities may become prominent in the following incarnation and it will be easier to find us again as your affinity will be stronger. 

 

2. " - - "

- You practice diligently enough to develop your consciousness and learn to act as it and move yourself outside of the bounds of your body (a practice that begins while incarnated); You break the conceptual and material boundaries of Taiji and start operating as one progressively singular unit within the  immateriality of Wuji. 

- You continue to cultivate yourself and improve your emotional condition and energetic quality and quantity through residing in Wuji, and by entering Taiji in a formless state to aid and assist the development of other incarnated beings ie: you take on the role of a HFS within the school and accept responsibilities befitting your current level of experience and energetic skill. 

 

3. "- -" 

- You cultivate your consciousness to a high degree and achieve a high rank with the ability to reside in very subtle dimensions of the Dao, but due to very heavy and unfulfilled karma. You require to enter Taiji again through a live birth in order to" handshake" the respective karmic relationship away and neutralise the debt or the credit.

- You die and return to your high state of achievement without any further necessity for reincarnation, unless by choice. 

 

4. "- -" 

- You cultivate your consciousness to a high degree and achieve a high rank with the ability to reside in very subtle dimensions of the Dao, but you still have minor karma remaining, though not heavy enough to require interaction between two physical bodies, thus one may chose to repay what is owed or to facilitate the growth of the second party of the karmic bond, by aiding them in their current incarnation ie through, "miracles", whispers, suggestions, positive affirmations, positive guidance, positive energetic influence like surges of inspiration, love, courage or by directly helping them develop their consciousness from the role of a Hu Fa Shen. In such a way more minor residual karma can be neutralised without the need for incarnation. 

 

There may be more possibilities as the Dao is infinitely complex and colorful, but I do not know of any beyond this at this point in my journey. 

 

 

Edited July 21, 2020 by effilang

[Vajra Fist]

Thank you, that's a fascinating answer!

[effilang]

A pre-initiation talk, followed by an initiation ceremony carried out by one of our senior Dao Yu; Master Li Ming Shen.
The new Dao Yu are paired to their Hu Fa Shen interact with them for the first time through physical movement.

After this event, the Dao Yu will be able to practice in the comfort of their homes or wherever they choose to, by invoking their Hu Fa Shen to guide them in the arts of the Dao.

They are now formally inheritors of Dao Yin Shu; The Divine Guidance Art of Xiao Yao Pai.

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Edited July 20, 2020 by effilang

[JohnC]

6 hours ago, effilang said:

A pre-initiation talk, followed by an initiation ceremony carried out by one of our senior Dao Yu; Master Li Ming Shen.
The new Dao Yu are paired to their Hu Fa Shen interact with them for the first time through physical movement.

After this event, the Dao Yu will be able to practice in the comfort of their homes or wherever they chose to, by invoking their Hu Fa Shen to guide them in the arts of the Dao.

They are now formally inheritors of Dao Yin Shu; The Divine Guidance Art of Xiao Yao Pai.

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English Captions available.

 

 

Thank you for sharing! Very impressive.

[flowing hands]

 

The little yellow book according to these two.

 

Most interesting version of Dao reminds me a lot of the JW's!

[effilang]

Tomorrow, there will be a live event with open QA conducted by Master Lie Ming on Xiao Yao Pai and The Divine Guidance Art; Dao Yin Shu. 

 

If anyone wishes to ask any questions about our art, feel free to jump on and participate. 

 

A link to the event:

https://www.facebook.com/DaoYinShu/videos/1109165959810748

Edited March 13, 2022 by effilang

[effilang]

The Q&A has concluded now, you can watch it on the link below. There were a lot of interesting questions:

https://www.facebook.com/DaoYinShu/videos/1109165959810748

[Nuralshamal]

Hey @effilang

I read through this whole thread the past couple of days, very interesting!

I sent you a message with a personal question

I also have some general questions I'll post here 

1) When is the next initiation in Europe?
2) I read several times, that people requested testimonials from experienced practitioners, and you seemed to have that on hand. However, I couldn't seem to find them. Were they posted? It sounds very interesting
3) What are the views of XYP on vegetarianism?
4) What are the views of XYP on sexuality?

5) What are the views of XYP on sexual cultivation and sexual practices?

Be blessed by the Divine!

Look forward to hear from you