Karl Posted September 7, 2016 ^^^^ yes, that. The 'strongman' cometh. Just as Hayek predicted. Of course Trump might not yet be that dictator-I have my doubts-but he certainly is one more step in the acceptance of one. Obama has put the USA on a track to dictatorship by his power grabs and destruction of the constitution, he accelerated the process. Clinton is something else, she is a crook, a mafia boss looking for a pay off from the syndicates and cartels that she protects. She is a Saddam Hussein. A woman wanting the position of power to benefit herself, her fawning entourage and anyone that will help to keep her in that position whilst paying their respects and dues. In many ways she is most qualified to run a 'crooked' USA. Clinton will have a foreign policy designed to maximise personal power. Trump would have wars to support an ideology of the USA as the greatest country-not necessarily because those wars are just. Clinton will have a domestic policy as Obama-division through cultural Marxism. Trump, for all his claims, is more socialist than anything else, he supports minimum wages, socialised medicine and welfare. Clintons economic policies are the same ruinous cronyism Obama practised, Trump seems wedded to the idea of protectionism and 'new deal' make work schemes. How anyone can choose either one is a mystery, they are the very worst of the worst the USA has ever managed to produce. Trump is the most principled, but his philosophy is full of error. He is like the well meaning uncle that neither has the skill, nor the experience to fix the car, but in an effort to help, he makes things mechanically worse, but pays for a respray and a new interior. Clinton has no intention of trying to fix the car, she is too busy figuring out how she can get you to sell it in order that she gets a better one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Karl Posted September 7, 2016 I want to point something. You make me uncomfortable every time you try to label her communist and that for 2 reasons. That habit to call "communist" something to make it appear like the last desirable thing is a really cultural one based on decades of brainwash. It looks rather obvious and shocking. If I understand how bad (even terrible) a centralized powerful government can be, reading your constantly renewed horror towards these ideas is a bit scary. From my perspective if you see a devil you're looking at you own fear. Secondary there is not a chance that america turns too a communist state or something close to it. Look at Obama care. There were plenty of US citizen waving placards like once again they were turning to the reds... but help from everyone for everyone to have an easier access to basic health care doesn't sound like a bad idea ? Does it ? I have few interest in that election since for me Clinton is the archetypal opportunist power greedy money greedy politician that will not make any major change (and certainly not is Marxist orientated). The other one looks more like a joke but a very bad one. The fact he's who he is where he is shows a tremendous level of despair and stupidity in USA (or I'm just brainwashed). Have fun ! In a sense I agree, she isn't a Marxist, but she uses Marxism. She is more closely a facist than a communist, in the sense that 'communism' is seen as falsely having some claim to goodness. Essentially both communism and Marxism are the same collectivist ideologies benefitting a small group of elite over everyone else. People more readily swallow the idealist, utopian bait of communism since the defeat of Hitler; Nazi has become a perjorative word for 'anything that is bad' without ever debating what that thing is. The USA is already well on the way to a statist authoritarianism and that could easily become tyranny. I don't see people necessarily waving a little red book, but shutting down free speech by surveillance, prosecution and press reporting by the MSM is already well established. The Police force look much like an occupying army, shaking down the population for cash and have turned from 'keeping the peace' to 'law enforcement'. Freedom is becoming an increasingly dirty word in the USA and justice has been corrupted. The constitution has been twisted, burned, run over and torn into pieces-particularly by the Obama presidency. It won't get better under Clinton, nor I suspect, Trump. However Clinton is a known debaucher, statist and crook which only seems to leave Trump-if one must vote for a binary. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joeblast Posted September 7, 2016 lol ralis, who wrote that one, karl rove? and I see nothing amiss about pointing out a fact about a criminal oligarch speaking well of some communist principles. the new progressive fascism just replaced the word national with Global. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brian Posted September 7, 2016 I want to point something. You make me uncomfortable every time you try to label her communist and that for 2 reasons. That habit to call "communist" something to make it appear like the last desirable thing is a really cultural one based on decades of brainwash. It looks rather obvious and shocking. If I understand how bad (even terrible) a centralized powerful government can be, reading your constantly renewed horror towards these ideas is a bit scary. From my perspective if you see a devil you're looking at you own fear. Secondary there is not a chance that america turns too a communist state or something close to it. Look at Obama care. There were plenty of US citizen waving placards like once again they were turning to the reds... but help from everyone for everyone to have an easier access to basic health care doesn't sound like a bad idea ? Does it ? I have few interest in that election since for me Clinton is the archetypal opportunist power greedy money greedy politician that will not make any major change (and certainly not is Marxist orientated). The other one looks more like a joke but a very bad one. The fact he's who he is where he is shows a tremendous level of despair and stupidity in USA (or I'm just brainwashed). Have fun ! Yeah... Unfortunately, I think you hit the nail on the head with that last bit. Marx said the difference between communism and socialism is the name. Since college, Hillary has been an acolyte of Saul Alinsky, who urged (in his first book, Reveille for Radicals) "communist revolutionaries" to call themselves "community organizers" and deny they are Marxists for self-preservation. The Carter Administration used Alinsky's guidebook (Rules for Radicals) as a manual for ground forces (delivered by the pallet to VISTA workers). The Communist Party has endorsed the DNC candidate rather than select their own in every election since endorsing Carter. The Democrat Party platform maps almost perfectly to the pillars of the Communist Manifesto. If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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CloudHands Posted September 7, 2016 Yeah... Unfortunately, I think you hit the nail on the head with that last bit. Marx said the difference between communism and socialism is the name. Since college, Hillary has been an acolyte of Saul Alinsky, who urged (in his first book, Reveille for Radicals) "communist revolutionaries" to call themselves "community organizers" and deny they are Marxists for self-preservation. The Carter Administration used Alinsky's guidebook (Rules for Radicals) as a manual for ground forces (delivered by the pallet to VISTA workers). The Communist Party has endorsed the DNC candidate rather than select their own in every election since endorsing Carter. The Democrat Party platform maps almost perfectly to the pillars of the Communist Manifesto. If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... and all companies will be national property in the next 5 years... Democratie means power to the people what is the value of your democratie if the people can't access politic, education and healthcare ? In France in the last 30 years the biggest capitalists moves have been done by so called socialist. It has been a long time since people don't rule politicians and politicians don't rule politic. Nothing is more interesting for the rulers than uneducated poor people then welcome to the wild wild west. You may not understand it but you are not only people and families you are a society and you all are responsible for the acts of your government. You have to understand that US government (that is supposed to represent you) has done a shitload of worldwide crap since WWII and that in the name of liberty but for profit. Profit and power is the only true goal of your states and whatever Trump or Hilary it won't change because you don't get it. I don't know if liberty can be a project but in US it for sure has became a lure. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joeblast Posted September 7, 2016 please stop framing the healthcare financing scheme problem as "access to healthcare." this is not a correct description of things in the least. people have access to healthcare - its the third party profit skimming operation in place that is complicating the price discovery mechanism; it is the government's ignoring antitrust law and giving big pharma the nod anywhere and everywhere it may. we also have zero access to our legislative process. how in the hell can you assert that we're responsible for what they do, when we have two sides of the same coin that have captured our government, our legislative process, our judicial process, our executive office. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Karl Posted September 7, 2016 And of course there is no 'right' to healthcare, as there is no right to welfare cash, education, jobs, equal pay, equal opportunities or any other thing except life, property, freedom and the pursuit of happiness. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brian Posted September 7, 2016 And of course there is no 'right' to healthcare, as there is no right to welfare cash, education, jobs, equal pay, equal opportunities or any other thing except life, property, freedom and the pursuit of happiness. There is, however, a right to sandcastles -- right? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brian Posted September 7, 2016 https://twitter.com/FacMagnaAmerica/status/773260706288402432 I have this shirt pinned up on my office wall: 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CloudHands Posted September 7, 2016 please stop framing the healthcare financing scheme problem as "access to healthcare." this is not a correct description of things in the least. people have access to healthcare - its the third party profit skimming operation in place that is complicating the price discovery mechanism; it is the government's ignoring antitrust law and giving big pharma the nod anywhere and everywhere it may. we also have zero access to our legislative process. how in the hell can you assert that we're responsible for what they do, when we have two sides of the same coin that have captured our government, our legislative process, our judicial process, our executive office. This is what I call access to healthcare. I know it's not easy but it's your responsibility as citizens to change that coin. I hold myself responsibility for what is called Françafrique as well. It's diluted I can live with it but as a citizen of my country that would be a lie to deny it. Our situations are not that different but I think we still fighting for staying in charge which implies a strong government (to face bank, trusts, etc) led by people. 30 years ago there were no professional politicians I mean it was not supposed to be a career. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Karl Posted September 7, 2016 There is, however, a right to sandcastles -- right? Said the small boy shouting at the incoming tide. :-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brian Posted September 7, 2016 Said the small boy shouting at the incoming tide. :-)We just need a small government program to control the tides, that's all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CloudHands Posted September 7, 2016 Ahahahah you're so funny destroying countries Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Karl Posted September 7, 2016 We just need a small government program to control the tides, that's all. Thats a vote winner. Who can resist the picture of a small boy in tears as the evil tides demolish his sandy hopes ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Karl Posted September 7, 2016 Ahahahah you're so funny destroying countries I've never known Brian to destroy countries, I don't think he even kills flies and wasps. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brian Posted September 7, 2016 I've never known Brian to destroy countries, I don't think he even kills flies and wasps.Hardly ever. I've hear that I'm to blame for this, though: http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2015/01/france-growing-income-inequality-problem-201512311224855101.html 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brian Posted September 7, 2016 (edited) Hardly ever. I've hear that I'm to blame for this, though: http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2015/01/france-growing-income-inequality-problem-201512311224855101.html And this: http://images.financialexpress.com/2016/07/ven.jpg] Hungry? Just get in line! Edited September 7, 2016 by Brian 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Karl Posted September 7, 2016 And this:]http://images.financialexpress.com/2016/07/ven.jpg]Hungry? Just get in line! Is that the beautiful socialist utopia of Venezuela ? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
joeblast Posted September 7, 2016 (edited) This is what I call access to healthcare. I know it's not easy but it's your responsibility as citizens to change that coin. I hold myself responsibility for what is called Françafrique as well. It's diluted I can live with it but as a citizen of my country that would be a lie to deny it. Our situations are not that different but I think we still fighting for staying in charge which implies a strong government (to face bank, trusts, etc) led by people. 30 years ago there were no professional politicians I mean it was not supposed to be a career. and that's what I call bastardization of language, with the intent of inserting one argument for another (but dont interpret that as I'm saying this is your intent - this is the intent of those who invented this partiicular language deviation,) along with all the implications. "access" and "ability to pay" are two entirely different concepts and it only serves to fuzzy the debate when one completely different term is used interchangeably as if there were no actual difference to the terms. Healthcare "Insurance" is no longer "Insurance." Your car insurance does not cover oil changes, new tires and wipers because those are consumables that are part and parcel of owning a car - just like it doesnt cover a tune up, "Insurance" is not designed to cover "health" visits, your everyday medicine, or dentistry. "Insurance" is for random unexpected disasters of whatever magnitude, like falling and breaking an arm or a deep cut that requires stitches, or a heart attack.... The government directly helped destroy & pervert the "Insurance" market by implementing wage & price controls. It destroyed the price discovery mechanism. Now the prices are through the roof and we need a financing scheme just to pay for "access" to "healthcare???" See how badly this conversation has been altered? That is precisely how the populace is so often sold a bill of goods on something and get something entirely different. Aside from that, our federal government simply has *ZERO* constitutional authority to rest upon when it decided to provide healthcare for the populace. Zero, none, zip zilch nada, obamacare is Unconstitutional, period end of story, there is no getting around this fact - and so long as the federal government keeps this up, it is going directly and purposefully against the constitution. Edited September 7, 2016 by joeblast 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brian Posted September 7, 2016 Is that the beautiful socialist utopia of Venezuela ?Indeed! This nice men are available to help you put free food in your shopping carts: 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CloudHands Posted September 7, 2016 (edited) I'm just pointing you have no conscience as a society, you hold no responsibility for your elites nor your poor. You're supposed to be wealthy you can do better with it than just trying to maintain a leadership at any cost... Empires all falls anyway. But you're very eager to defend this beautiful country -which has plenty to offer (sell ?), I agree. Sorry, I apologize, very good, keep flipping the coin, denying, don't change, you're almost the chosen ones. EDIT : By YOU, I'm not pointing anyone in particular, please understand that. EDIT 2 (as a joke) : I had syrian neighbors in the 90', they called their dog Clinton, saying B. Clinton was a dog. Edited September 7, 2016 by CloudHands Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brian Posted September 7, 2016 Not to change the subject but... Have you heard that those inherently racist constitutional conservative types are quietly instituting segregation in the US again? Really! It's true! Why, just this week it was announced that California State University - Los Angeles will be joining Berkley, UC Davis and UConn in establishing special housing for black students. These fortresses of bigotry and conservative so-called "values" have yet again displayed the hatred and small-mindedness typical of the types of people who opposed the civil rights efforts of the 1950s and '60s. Wait... What?!? WHOOOO??? Ummm... Never mind. SQUIRREL!!! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brian Posted September 7, 2016 I'm just pointing you have no conscience as a society, you hold no responsibility for your elites nor your poor. Empires all falls anyway. You're supposed to be wealthy you can do better with it than just trying to maintain a leadership at any cost... But you're very eager to defend this beautiful country -which has plenty to offer (sell ?), I agree. Sorry I apologize, very good, keep flipping the coin, denying, don't change, you're almost the chosen ones. Thoughts? http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2015/01/france-growing-income-inequality-problem-201512311224855101.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brian Posted September 7, 2016 Whose army is this? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
