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Don't want to beat an injured horse. It might need a surgeon.

 

But.. It doesn't depend on the year. The stat of doctors dying at 58 was a self serving lie to push a vitamin/colloidal brand.

 

I certainly agree there are problems with our current health care system. (I'd need details but I'd like to see a single payer system here in the States) Secondary infection rates are terrible, still you didn't measure them against Thailand (they may not record them). Heck, you caught pneumonia there. When you have a concentration of sick people, there's going to problems. But good hospitals should take care.

 

Personally I don't shake hands with doctors or health professionals. Silly formality.

 

Vmarco is in Thailand.

 

Ah I see.

 

 

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I certainly agree there are problems with our current health care system. (I'd need details but I'd like to see a single payer system here in the States)

 

I have an anecdote, hot off the press as it only happened a couple weeks ago. A friend's mother-in-law was here visiting from the US. She got terribly sick after eating what turned out to be bad cheese at a pizzeria. Well, she wasn't just sick, she was virtually dying at my friend's house and when they called for an ambulance, she went into a panic, saying it'll bankrupt her. She didn't even want to go to the hospital at. She really may have died that evening, simply because of her fear of medical costs.

 

Well, the ambulance was called and when the medics arrived, she actually dumped out her purse and wallet and was begging them to accept whatever cash she had on hand. The med's had no idea what she was going on about, and they got her into the ambulance, along with an emergecy doctor. She was on fluids immediately, spent the night in the hospital under observation, and had the standard tests for this situation. She was basically fine the next day but they kept her one more night just to be safe.

 

Because she's uninsured, she was handed an itemized bill when she left -- €250,00 two hundred fifty Euro

 

And that was for everything, including the excellent ambulance service.

 

Contrast with my mother's friend who was taken to hospital in NY also a few weeks ago and got a bill from the ambulance company for $2,500, the base cost for an ambulance appearing at your front door.

 

Yes, there's room for improvement in every system.

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We dont need anything that's going to simply further obscure costs, which is exactly what single payer does, its exactly what obamacare is, it is exactly what the whole insurance scam is. The grocery store analogy is quite apropos....triple, quadruple the price of your bill and get a quarter of the foods you actually wish to eat. No different with the insurance scam, "someone else is paying for it" so while nobody looks, they add decimal places to all costs.

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It's $450 here (we're 15 miles from the hospital but I don't think that is figured in).

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As a wise man once said, it’s not the end of the world, till it is the end of the world. and then it does not matter anyways….

 

Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, enthusiastically promoted the Thomas Malthus’ philosophy as she stated, “The most merciful thing that a family does to one of its infant members is to kill it.”

 

Perhaps these were merely the musings of two twisted individuals which do not represent any type of central philosophical belief. Unfortunately the theories of Malthus, Sanger and other population control advocates did not die with them. As I discovered, this is a reoccurring theme contained within the personal words of several dozen global leaders.

 

“Society has no business to permit degenerates to reproduce their kind”.

Theodore Roosevelt

 

“Malthus has been vindicated; reality is finally catching up with Malthus. The Third World is overpopulated, it’s an economic mess, and there’s no way they could get out of it with this fast-growing population. Our philosophy is: back to the village”.

Dr. Arne Schiotz, World Wildlife Fund Director of Conservation, stated such, ironically, in 1984.

 

A total world population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal”.

Ted Turner, in an interview with Audubon magazine

 

“There is a single theme behind all our work–we must reduce population levels. Either governments do it our way, through nice clean methods, or they will get the kinds of mess that we have in El Salvador, or in Iran or in Beirut. Population is a political problem. Once population is out of control, it requires authoritarian government, even fascism, to reduce it….” “Our program in El Salvador didn’t work. The infrastructure was not there to support it. There were just too goddamned many people…. To really reduce population, quickly, you have to pull all the males into the fighting and you have to kill significant numbers of fertile age females….” The quickest way to reduce population is through famine, like in Africa, or through disease like the Black Death….”

Thomas Ferguson, State Department Office of Population Affairs

 

“In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill…. But in designating them as the enemy, we fall into the trap of mistaking symptoms for causes. All these dangers are caused by human intervention and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy, then, is humanity itself”.

Alexander King, Bertrand Schneider – Founder and Secretary, respectively, The Club of Rome, The First Global Revolution, pgs 104-105, 1991

 

“A cancer is an uncontrolled multiplication of cells; the population explosion is an uncontrolled multiplication of people…. We must shift our efforts from the treatment of the symptoms to the cutting out of the cancer. The operation will demand many apparently brutal and heartless decisions”.

Stanford Professor, Paul Ehrlich in The Population Bomb

 

“In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 people per day. It is a horrible thing to say, but it is just as bad not to say it”.

J. Cousteau, 1991 explorer and UNESCO courier

 

“I believe that human overpopulation is the fundamental problem on Earth Today” and, “We humans have become a disease, the Humanpox”.

Dave Foreman, Sierra Club and co founder of Earth First!

 

We must speak more clearly about sexuality, contraception, about abortion, about values that control population, because the ecological crisis, in short, is the population crisis. Cut the population by 90% and there aren’t enough people left to do a great deal of ecological damage.”

Mikhail Gorbachev

 

“Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government”.

Dr. Henry Kissinger, Bilderberger Conference, Evians, France, 1991

 

“The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer”.

Dr. Henry Kissinger New York Times, Oct. 28, 1973

 

“Depopulation should be the highest priority of foreign policy towards the third world, because the US economy will require large and increasing amounts of minerals from abroad, especially from less developed countries”.

Dr. Henry Kissinger

 

“Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac,” and “The elderly are useless eaters”.

Dr. Henry Kissinger

 

“World population needs to be decreased by 50%”.

Dr. Henry Kissinger

 

“We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order”.

David Rockefeller

 

“War and famine would not do. Instead, disease offered the most efficient and fastest way to kill the billions that must soon die if the population crisis is to be solved. AIDS is not an efficient killer because it is too slow. My favorite candidate for eliminating 90 percent of the world’s population is airborne Ebola (Ebola Reston), because it is both highly lethal and it kills in days, instead of years. “We’ve got airborne diseases with 90 percent mortality in humans. Killing humans. Think about that. “You know, the bird flu’s good, too. For everyone who survives, he will have to bury nine”.

Dr. Eric Pianka University of Texas evolutionary ecologist and lizard expert, showed solutions for reducing the world’s population to an audience on population control

 

No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a Luciferian Initiation”.

David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations

 

“The present vast overpopulation, now far beyond the world carrying capacity, cannot be answered by future reductions in the birth rate due to contraception, sterilization and abortion, but must be met in the present by the reduction of numbers presently existing. This must be done by whatever means necessary”.

Initiative for the United Nations ECO-92 EARTH CHARTER

 

“In South America, the government of Peru goes door to door pressuring women to be sterilized and they are funded by American tax dollars to do this”.

Mark Earley in The Wrong Kind of Party Christian Post 10/27 2008

 

Women in the Netherlands who are deemed by the state to be unfit mothers should be sentenced to take contraception for a prescribed period of two years”.

Marjo Van Dijken (author of the bill in the Netherlands) in the Guardian

 

“Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature”.

Anonymously commissioned Georgia Guidestones

 

“If I were reincarnated I would wish to be returned to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels”.

Prince Phillip, Queen Elizabeth’s husband, Duke of Edinburgh, leader of the World Wildlife Fund

 

Childbearing should be a punishable crime against society, unless the parents hold a government license. All potential parents should be required to use contraceptive chemicals, the government issuing antidotes to citizens chosen for childbearing”.

David Brower, first Executive Director of the Sierra Club

 

The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes”.

Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes

 

“Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of”.

Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg

 

The Planetary Regime might be given responsibility for determining the optimum population for the world and for each region and for arbitrating various countries’ shares within their regional limits. Control of population size might remain the responsibility of each government, but the Regime would have some power to enforce the agreed limits.”

Obama’s science czar John P. Holdren, Co-author of “Ecoscience”

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As a wise man once said, it’s not the end of the world, till it is the end of the world. and then it does not matter anyways….

 

 

 

why didn't any of these wise people take their own advice?

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We dont need anything that's going to simply further obscure costs, which is exactly what single payer does, its exactly what obamacare is,

I think the Affordable Care Act is much closer to business as unusual since people still end up paying various insurance companies. While you're right about obscuring costs and free lunches generally makes things more expensive the real world results of single payer systems in other first world countries has been lower prices and much better results.

 

Quite simply amongst first world countries we pay the most and get, as a nation, the worse health results. Worse the skew between have and havenots was getting dangerous as the 10's of millions without insurance were dying at worst or at best getting the very expensive (and incomplete) medical services through emergency room.

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I think the Affordable Care Act is much closer to business as unusual since people still end up paying various insurance companies. While you're right about obscuring costs and free lunches generally makes things more expensive the real world results of single payer systems in other first world countries has been lower prices and much better results.

 

Quite simply amongst first world countries we pay the most and get, as a nation, the worse health results. Worse the skew between have and havenots was getting dangerous as the 10's of millions without insurance were dying at worst or at best getting the very expensive (and incomplete) medical services through emergency room.

heh...had this discussion plenty of times before. the US system was purposefully guided towards being bloated and inefficient, as it is whenever you get the government involved (and the lobbying money flows, always in the most generous amounts by the biggest entities with the most to piss away.) I think you find with US stats is that the standard deviations of outcomes will likely be much higher here as opposed to elsewhere, we've got among the healthiest and the sickest, so when averaging...

 

this whole "omg no insurance" is a self created monster that has grown so large that you must kiss its ring in order to be serviced by it.

 

I've kept health insurance for my son his entire life, last 20 years or so, and shit if I've used it more than a single time, maybe two. and those were random checkups, I went for one in like 2003...and one in 09 maybe, I dont even recall.

 

pardon my being a little incredulous at being required to support the hell out of other people by design, taking veritably none for myself, and have insane prices because I give that support to other people.

 

also highly correlated that where people have extra wealth, they spend it on things they want, so how much of that "high price for halfass outcome" is included on "general healthcare spending" that isnt contained within the realm of the medical "insurance" racket? the US has been floating on an artificial financial high for quite some time...

 

all of those studies that show how other countries "have these great outcomes for cheap" have strong bias in them towards being supportive of a single payer system here, take advantage of drugs developed here where we pay top dollar (=insurance racket again....3rd party payer, nobody looks at an individual price for a million people taking something, you get blanket price and all the bedbugs contained therein) and then its sent other places cheap. old people dont flock over the border to canada for drugs for nothin'.

 

all single payer will do is chisel the astronomical prices in stone. and do other things like make it illegal not to use the insurance racket for providing medical services.

 

government is the destroyer of wealth and equality.

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http://www.google.com/patents/US20120251502

 

http://www.naturalnews.com/046290_Ebola_patent_vaccines_profit_motive.html

 

The "SUMMARY OF THE INVENTION" section of the patent document also clearly claims that the U.S. government is claiming "ownership" over all Ebola viruses that share as little as 70% similarity with the Ebola it "invented":

...invention relates to the isolated EboBun virus that morphologically and phylogenetically relates to known members filoviridae... In another aspect, the invention provides an isolated hEbola EboBun virus comprising a nucleic acid molecule comprising a nucleotide sequence selected from the group consisting of: a) a nucleotide sequence set forth in SEQ ID NO: 1; B) a nucleotide sequence that hybridizes to the sequence set forth in SEQ ID NO: 1 under stringent conditions; and c) a nucleotide sequence that has at least 70%, 75%, 80%, 85%, 90%, 95%, 96%, 97%, 98%, or 99% identity to the SEQ ID NO:
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Because she's uninsured, she was handed an itemized bill when she left -- €250,00 two hundred fifty Euro

 

And that was for everything, including the excellent ambulance service.

 

Contrast with my mother's friend who was taken to hospital in NY also a few weeks ago and got a bill from the ambulance company for $2,500, the base cost for an ambulance appearing at your front door.

 

Yes, there's room for improvement in every system.

In Chiang Mai, ambulance service, which includes driver, MD, and EMT happens to be B2500 (US$ 80)....and they take you home for free. And to add,...having had medical services in USA, Mexico, Iceland, and Germany,...that the healthcare in Thailand is far superior. I'd put Mexico (Chiapas and Puerto Vallarta) at #2,...USA very below Europe. Most Americans, having never had healthcare outside the USA, don't have a clue, other than what they're media-ted, as to true nature of their healthcare system. In the USA, unless you're in the financial top 5%, where American healthcare workers give you adequate care because they feel they'll get a tip,...US healthcare is a crap shoot.

 

By the way,...tipping is not required in Thailand,...at restaurants, etc. However, getting a 1 hour Thai massage for B200 ($6 US), one just feels compelled to give a B100 tip. In the US, an 18% tip is pretty much an unwritten LAW,...whether the service is good or bad.

 

Americans view of America is like a woman kept uneducated, barefoot, and pregnant under the Laws of Jacob. "every woman should be filled with shame by the thought that she is a woman". Church Father, Clement of Alexandria.

 

While I'm on an American rant:

 

The average US physician earns about 6 times more than the average patient,… specialists greater than 10 times more. In 2008 it is estimated that there were approximately 810,000 active physicians in the United States with total earnings of more than $320 billion.

 

Many physicians make more than the President of the United States. Clinical psychologists with Ph.D. level degree have a $85,500 average salary, or 8 times less than a Orthopedic physician. The Chief Scientist for NASA's Space Radiation program (which took 10 years of college to earn a PhD in that field) earns 4 times less than an average Radiologist.

 

Any dumbie considering Health Care Reform can see drag on the system brought about by physician salaries. Some average physician salaries include: Cardiology $820k, Dermatology $360k, Family Medicine $240k, Gen. Surgeon $380k, Orthopedics $700k, Pulmonology $500k, Radiology $680k.

Even with a 20% reduction in physician pay ($64 billion annually) they would still be making more than 4 times the average patient. That would be $640 billion over 10 years. Add to that $160 billion for more efficient health care services, $600 billion administrative improvements, $500 billion in improved management of chronic diseases, and $100 billion reductions in malpractice premiums, would be a savings of $2 trillion in 10 years.

 

Numerous Americans have been accepting pay concessions during this time of rebalancing. The UAW has exceeded 50% in compensation cuts. Homes prices have fell Nationally by huge percentages. Isn't it time that those who took the oath to help others chip in with a share?

 

thelerner can check my figures.

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Dr. Lahey:

Freaking out about Ebola in the U.S. while antibiotic resistant superbugs rampage in our hospitals is like fearing Freddy Kruger will ring the doorbell while Jeffrey Dahmer sits at your dining room table.

 

Sure. However, some comments were pretty naïve. Like the implied nil chances of someone on an airplane having ebola because the airline saw that no passengers had symptoms before the 12 - 15 hour flight to a US city. WHO says it takes 2 - 25 DAYS before symptoms begin for an infected person. Add to that, the capitalistic way they (the airline capitalists)squeeze you in their plane like a sardine (unless you're first/business class),...one should be cautious about numerous infections the inconsiderate passengers could be passing along.

 

In 2014 I clocked more than 40k air miles (Taiwan, Japan, USA, Germany, Italy, Istanbul, KL, Thailand). I already hate flying,...and then add the health of 200+ fellow passengers, usually with inconsiderate Americans, to the list. In all my travels,...Americans are always the most inconsiderate, obnoxious, arrogant,...followed by Muslims (of Arab Nationalities). At least Americans are somewhat considerate towards women.

 

The Muslims in Myanmar (Burma) are among the most arrogant, pushy people I've ever met,...and I interact with Chinese every day. LOL. Anyway, certainly grateful that Myanmar Muslins don't fly much.

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^ haha

Hm, The Dr and $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ reminds me of "Law" and $$$$$$$$$, how can they call it Justice?

What a joke

The Greatest Wealth is Health!!

I would suggest people take the time to understand their body + nutrition more fully - that in itself is a liberation (physically (+financially) + spiritually)

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^ haha

 

"Law" and $$$$$$$$$, how can they call it Justice?

This is another BIGGIE that most Americans don't have a clue about. There is NO JUSTICE in the American Justice system,...it's all about law,...and which ever attorney is quicker with regurgitating law, trumps fairness, rightness, and justice.

 

The best thing one can do is stay away from the legal system,...unless you have lots of money to throw in. If you do get singled out,...pay the fine. If someone screws you,...let it go. Stay off the Justice's systems radar. I only know about the American justice system,...and IMO, it's ruthless, self-centered, hateful, criminal, and illiberal,...at every level,...from municipal to federal.

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Dr. S: Please take off your tinfoil hat. No, we are not inviting disaster. We did not put the patients in coach and pick them up at Hartsfield-Jackson baggage claim. They were flown in under quarantine, transported to the hospital under quarantine, and set up in the hospital under quarantine. They will probably never even set eyes on someone who isn't under several layers of protective gear.

 

 

Its curious that the doc who had it walked into the hospital on his own two feet and not quarantined in a bubble. And if everyone knows how to avoid catching it, and all these strict measures are taken....how is it that it keeps infecting the workers who treat it....are we supposed to believe they were simply negligent in their protecting themselves from a deadly virus? I love how confident these guys are - like people have never worked in a (until this time, a "normal") ebola quarantine and they simply arent taking the proper precautions. And a refusal to consider airbore-ness.

 

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they love hockey sticks it seems

 

so basically we are seeing...

 

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In a world where finance has been absolutely upside down...this isnt encouraging seeing other things follow suit in their upside-down-ness, like the non-quarantine and active spreading the infected around the globe...

 

One would not be amiss in asking the question is this being done on purpose. Everything else from financial, pm, energy markets, commodities, government issued statistics, false flag attacks, regime changes, "war"...fits the bill.

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My barista's girlfriend's dad is with the CDC. CDC had a big meeting. Individuals with ebola has been reported in NYC and Philadelphia.

 

lalalala…

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I thought this article had semi good news on the possible cures. Problem being what's most promising is in very short supply (zero at the moment). Ironically its from genetically altered tobacco plants. Still, if its as promising as shown it'll get funding and be created en mass but not in the immediate future.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/30/world/africa/study-says-zmapp-works-against-ebola-but-making-it-takes-time.html?action=click&contentCollection=Europe&region=Footer&module=TopNews&pgtype=article

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FWIW, here's some positive news about Ebola from Scientific American- http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/ebola-infections-fewer-than-predicted-by-disease-models/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ScientificAmerican-News+%28Content%3A+News%29

 

synopsis:..Martin Meltzer, senior health economist at the CDC. Meltzer’s model, which predicted the 1.4 million infections in Liberia and Sierra Leone, worked on the assumption that things would not improve. “Our forecasts are based on the idea that nothing will change,” he says. But things have changed. About 3,000 U.S. military personnel have been deployed to West Africa since September. They’ve helped build Ebola treatment units and laboratories and train local staff. Alongside them, health care workers from international aid agencies such as Doctors Without Borders and Partners in Health are working with local doctors, nurses and epidemiologists to identify and treat Ebola patients...

 

...Some regions have seen vast improvements in the number of reported cases. Lofa County, once Liberia’s Ebola hotspot, went from reporting hundreds of Ebola cases per week in August to four new cases in the first week of November. But where things can get better they can also get worse. Public health officials have been reluctant to declare these numbers a success because of fears that the virus could surge...

 

..Human behavior is also difficult to predict but education campaigns raising awareness about Ebola and teaching safe burial practices seem to have worked, says Bryan Lewis, a computational epidemiologist at the Virginia Bioinformatics Institute at Virginia Tech. His original estimates suggested that several hundred thousand Liberians could become infected with Ebola. “But now we think we won’t cross the 100,000 mark,” he says...

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a year and a half after the last post-

Things are much much better.  http://www.bbc.com/news/health-33961010

 

-"For the first time since the Ebola outbreak was declared in Sierra Leone, the country has recorded zero new infections.

 

There were no new Ebola cases reported last week according to the WHO.  At the height of the outbreak Sierra Leone was reporting more than 500 new cases a week. Last week, for the first time since May last year, there were zero new cases.

 

But authorities are warning against complacency.  OB Sisay, Director of the National Ebola Response Centre (NERC), said: "This does not mean Sierra Leone is suddenly Ebola free.  "As long as we have one Ebola case we still have an epidemic. People should continue to take the public health measures... around hand-washing, temperature checks, enhanced screening.""

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While the Bubonic Plague is nothing to sneeze at, still "There have been 42 cases of plague in California since 1970, and nine were fatal... The disease is usually treatable with antibiotics if it is caught in the early stages."<from article).. so its horrible to get,   but in California its not in the top 500 things that kill people. 

 

As usual the deadliest animal of all is man, followed by the mosquito which kills off 725,000 people a year according to WHO.  On a lighter note, mosquitoes also pollinate fruit and flowers, so nothing is all bad.  

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Every now and then its good to follow up on the disaster threads.  To see the problem with omniscient insight of hindsight.

 

From http://www.bbc.com/news/health-34506568

 

"..The Ebola outbreak in West Africa is the world's deadliest to date.

Ebola deaths Figures up to 4 October 2015

11,312  Deaths - probable, confirmed and suspected

(Includes one in the US and six in Mali)

  • 4,808 Liberia

  • 3,955 Sierra Leone

  • 2,534 Guinea

  • 8 Nigeria

Source: WHO
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The three West African countries at the heart of the Ebola epidemic have recorded their first week with no new cases since the outbreak began in March 2014.

 

But experts agree there is no room for complacency - experience shows that the disease could easily break out again.

To date, the UK has committed £427m to defeating Ebola.

 

A spokeswoman for the Department for International Development said: "Britain has been at the forefront of the international response to Ebola in Sierra Leone.

 

"By deploying NHS medics and military personnel and building treatment centres across the country, our swift action helped save countless lives and contain the spread of the disease."

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