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For me, the motivation and fascination starts at the other end of the cycle - the ngondro.

Developing enough disgust with and exhaustion for cyclic existence to motivate me.

Recognizing and appreciating the precious blessing of human life and exposure to the teachings to have the opportunity to be liberated and help liberate others.

Feeling a deep heart connection to a teaching, a teacher, and a lineage.

Feeling a deep heart connection to all other living things and seeing them as myself, my parents, my children, and wanting desperately to help relieve them of their pain, which is my pain.

 

For me, things like rainbow body are so difficult to accept and relate to that I find them to be more of a distraction than a help.

I don't believe in them and I don't rule out the possibility that they exist.

I know what I know and I'm OK with not knowing rather than believing.

And someone recently pointed out that I probably should even question everything that I think I know - thank you Amy!

 

I can't tell if you are posting this because you believe in these stories or are questioning them. I've recently seen you questioning (and expressing disenchantment with) the fantastical stories of Chöd from Words of My Perfect Teacher and now you're posting similarly fantastical stories of ja lus. That must be frustrating and confusing (I'm not trying to be critical but supportive). For me, the best way to develop stability has been to simply practice and focus on what I can see and feel personally, and let go of the magical stuff.

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Oh no, I believe in rainbow body because it makes sense to me. As you practise dissolving thoughts, then dissolving visions and you see the little rainbows that are left behind, and then on occasion your whole body dissolves away, I think to myself, why not ?

 

But I have some sort of blockage or attachment to the physical body that tells me it is not a good thing to cut off parts of your body to feed others, not unless you knew someone, be it an accomplished adept or guru/yogi, was going to heal you back up.

If I could grow back body parts that would be a whole different story.

 

It doesn't make sense to me to chop up the boat that you need to navigate the ocean... The precious human body...the temporary point of fixation.

 

My aversion to cutting off body parts has manifested a horrible event for me. I was pruning a philodendron when I sliced my index finger to the bone. There was quite allot of bleeding and the whole shock of it stopped my mind. I found myself in a state of pure consciousness, with all the colored lights swirling, appearing and disappearing. I must have some deep karma there..

 

However, a picture is worth a thousand words. Did you see his shriveled little body? Pretty hard to discount that...

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Oh no, I believe in rainbow body because it makes sense to me. As you practise dissolving thoughts, then dissolving visions and you see the little rainbows that are left behind, and then on occasion your whole body dissolves away, I think to myself, why not ?

 

But I have some sort of blockage or attachment to the physical body that tells me it is not a good thing to cut off parts of your body to feed others, not unless you knew someone, be it an accomplished adept or guru/yogi, was going to heal you back up.

If I could grow back body parts that would be a whole different story.

 

It doesn't make sense to me to chop up the boat that you need to navigate the ocean... The precious human body...the temporary point of fixation.

 

My aversion to cutting off body parts has manifested a horrible event for me. I was pruning a philodendron when I sliced my index finger to the bone. There was quite allot of bleeding and the whole shock of it stopped my mind. I found myself in a state of pure consciousness, with all the colored lights swirling, appearing and disappearing. I must have some deep karma there..

 

However, a picture is worth a thousand words. Did you see his shriveled little body? Pretty hard to discount that...

 

If I remember correctly, there is a practice of packing the bodies of these Lama's in salt which will shrink the body.

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If I remember correctly, there is a practice of packing the bodies of these Lama's in salt which will shrink the body.

But that doesn't shrink the bones, does it? One type of rainbow body can shrink to eight inches tall... Edited by Tibetan_Ice
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But that doesn't shrink the bones, does it? One type of rainbow body can shrink to eight inches tall...

 

This is a difficult subject/problem. Will the process actually beak down physical matter into light? That process would take enormous amounts of energy, which in physics is called the 'conservation of energy and momentum'.

 

As Mulder always said in 'The X-Files', "I want to believe".

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This is a difficult subject/problem. Will the process actually beak down physical matter into light? That process would take enormous amounts of energy, which in physics is called the 'conservation of energy and momentum'.

 

As Mulder always said in 'The X-Files', "I want to believe".

Thanks for the very interesting talk from the Jesuit priest. It is nice to know that there are people like him in the world.

 

Yes, it would take great amounts of energy to do that. But there are great amounts of energy in the world. Look at the power within one tiny atom of hydrogen... Kaboom!

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Western traditions also believe in building the new body. Heck, even the resurrection of Jesus can be translated as such.

 

I don't know, I think if they talk about that, they talk about leaving the old habit body behind. But we'll see hopefully, one day.

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[...]

Developing enough disgust with and exhaustion for cyclic existence to motivate me.

[...]

 

For me, things like rainbow body are so difficult to accept and relate to that I find them to be more of a distraction than a help.

I don't believe in them and I don't rule out the possibility that they exist.

[...]

 

For me, the best way to develop stability has been to simply practice and focus on what I can see and feel personally, and let go of the magical stuff.

 

Personally, I find impossible to experience for real the condition of cyclic existence... well, ok it's buddhist theory, but it's something that one should actively believe (like believing in God, etc...).

 

On the other hand, rainbow bodies are something that I can think as real since they are something that happens in many different religious traditions... and as TI said, it makes sense.

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Personally, I find impossible to experience for real the condition of cyclic existence... well, ok it's buddhist theory, but it's something that one should actively believe (like believing in God, etc...).

 

On the other hand, rainbow bodies are something that I can think as real since they are something that happens in many different religious traditions... and as TI said, it makes sense.

Do you have any examples from other religious traditions?

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Do you have any examples from other religious traditions?

 

 

 

The main advantage of tibetan practitioners is that the shanga take care of them at death: a practitioner in tugham will not be disturbed until achievement of great union.

In christianity, they bury people the very moment in which the breathing stops. <_<

 

I was raised as a catholic and there are thousands of stories about miracolous rainbows manifested at the death of a great saint: this is considered common and not extraordinary.

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I'm not doubting the rainbow body, but I don't think it can be photographed, and the photos on the website don't show much.

 

The sky images are completely natural phenomena. They're known as sun dogs in lay-English.

 

Here's one I took last year, above my village. And one with Taomeow in it:

 

 

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Stealing this link from Ken's Neigong Forum https://www.facebook.com/notes/dzog...-karma-attains-rainbow-body/10151794778007773 (link has pics)

 

Dear Students,

 

As you know from my recent message, my precious teacher Dzogchen Lama Karma Rinpoche passed away on the 11th of November, 2013. Yesterday I received extraordinary news from my Dharma friends in the holy Dzogchen area of Tibet that the sacred body of my kind teacher Lama Karma has obviously and dramatically shrunk in size. Lama Karma‚Äôs body was about 175cm (approx. 5‚Äô9‚ÄĚ) tall, but two weeks after he passed away, his seated body has now shrunk to about 20cm (approx. 8‚ÄĚ), which means his body, including his skeleton, shrank nearly 80%. According to Dzogchen tantra, this kind of miraculous display shows he has attained the Small Rainbow Body, which is a sign that he has attained the supreme accomplishment of Buddha in this very life. Please deeply rejoice in his devoted practice and realization of Dzogchen. In doing so, you accumulate immeasurable merit.

 

If his body continues to shrink and totally disappears, then this miracle will be categorized as Light Body or Atomless Body. I will describe these various miraculous results of Dzogchen practice later in this message.

 

Lama Karma Rinpoche received many Dzogchen teachings, mainly from Dzogchen Khenpo Apey Tsewang Rinpoche and Dzogchen Lama Achung Tokden Rinpoche. For many years after, Lama Karma mainly practiced Dzogchen Guru Yoga with trekchö in the caves of the holy Dzogchen area.

 

While some people assume that Dharma practice is a superstitious or meaningless activity, it is in fact the most meaningful and profound activity that you can do. The reason for this is because through Dharma practice you become Buddha, which means you transform yourself into Awakened Omniscience. Once you become Buddha then you are free from all suffering and the causes of suffering forever while you spontaneously help each and every being equally, without exception, in many different ways until they all attain Buddha. Therefore, there is nothing better for you and all beings than to become Buddha.

 

In order to complete the paths and stages of enlightenment, you must accomplish Dzogchen practice. Without realizing Dzogchen awareness, no one has ever become Buddha or will become Buddha. Accomplishing Dzogchen practice means you become Buddha. As it is said in the Dzogchen Atiyoga tantra, without realizing Dzogchen awareness one will not attain Buddha.

 

The swiftest method to become Buddha is correctly practicing Guru Yoga with Dzogchen. There are two main Dzogchen practices: trekchö (cutting through) and thögal (ridge-traversing).

 

When you accomplish Dzogchen treckchö you will achieve one of two results as described in the Dzogchen tantras.

 

One is ödlu, the Light Body, which means your body transforms into light and disappears. This can happen either gradually or instantaneously. Masters who have attained this include Master Vairochana in Western Tibet and Pong Gonpo and five generations of his main disciples in Eastern Tibet.

 

The other is dudral, the Atomless Body, which means your body dissolves into emptiness and totally disappears. This can happen with or without an eyewitness. Masters who attained this include Guru Junpey in Central Tibet and in 1998, Khenpo Achung in Nyarong, Eastern Tibet.

 

If you accomplish the Dharma practice of Dzogchen trekchö and thögal, then you achieve one of three types of Rainbow Body as described in the Dzogchen tantras.

 

The first is the Great Rainbow Body, which means directly transforming the present body into a luminous Rainbow Body, just like Buddha Shakyamuni in India, Padmasambhava in Nepal, Shri Singha in India, Vimalamitra in China, Yeshe Tsogyal and Chetsun Senge Wangshuk in Tibet, and so on. Those who attain the Great Rainbow Body eternally retain their present life’s body appearance until all beings become Buddha.

 

The second is the Medium Rainbow Body, most commonly known as Rainbow Body, which means the Dzogchen master’s body dissolves as rainbow light of many different shapes, colors, and all different sizes of rainbow spheres, rainbow rays, and rainbow ribbons until the physical body has totally dissolved into rainbow light, leaving nothing behind except some hair and nails. All these rainbow lights can pass through the master’s clothing and through solid walls. Even ordinary people can directly perceive this miraculous display of Rainbow Body accomplishment. Masters who have attained this accomplishment include Melong Dorje and Rigdzin Kumaradza in Central Tibet and in 1952, Sonam Namgyal in Mani Gedgo in Eastern Tibet.

 

The third is the Small Rainbow Body, which means a Dzogchen master’s body shrinks to the size of a cubit or less (in a seated position). This is also known as the Shrunken Rainbow Body. Masters who attained this include Master Nyaklha Rangrik Dorje in Eastern Tibet. (His body is still preserved and is the size of a hand. His hair is ten times bigger than his body.) Atha Lhamo in 1982 in Eastern Tibet. Her body also shrank to around 10cm (approx. 4").

 

All these results of Dzogchen practice, the Light Body, Atomless Body, and all types of Rainbow Body, are signs of the same supreme accomplishment. The differences refer only to what happens with the miraculous display of the master’s physical body, but their attainments are all exactly equal. This means that these practitioners have attained Buddha in this very life.

 

After such sacred miraculous displays occur, most people no longer physically see these masters so we pronounce that they passed away. However, during this time, when the students pray to these masters who achieved Light Body or Rainbow Body, sometimes they can perceive their teacher physically appear to them and they receive tremendously powerful transmissions and pith instructions of the Dzogchen lineage.

 

Anyone who sees or even hears about the miracle display of the Light Body or Rainbow Body at the time it occurs is extremely fortunate. According to the Dzogchen tantras, when a master attains Light Body or Rainbow Body, the master’s wisdom pervasively emanates to all beings without exception and especially profoundly penetrates the minds of 3,000 disciples who have knowing-devotion to the master, such that these disciples directly receive the Dzogchen Lineage transmission.

 

Therefore, I encourage all my disciples to faithfully pray, supplicate, and joyfully offer to the Dzogchen Lineage masters, especially to my kind teacher, Dzogchen Lama Karma Rinpoche. From now until December 27th is an auspicious opportunity to practice The Buddha Path every day, to take or renew virtuous vows, and to fulfill your special commitments to do any virtuous activities or practices. In this way, you will receive the blessings, empowerments, and attainments of the Dzogchen Lineage, which will help you to become a Dzogchen Lineage Holder and swiftly attain Rainbow Body, Buddha, in this very life.

May you realize that all Result Buddhas always reside in your heart and the hearts of all beings.

May you swiftly attain the accomplishment of Rainbow Body in this very life.

 

I invite my international students to translate this and my previous message regarding Lama Karma Rinpoche into your native languages and share with others.


With love and blessings,
Dzogchen Khenpo Choga Rinpoche
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If I remember correctly, there is a practice of packing the bodies of these Lama's in salt which will shrink the body.

 

That will dessicate the body. Some of the rainbow body of masters is not complete. They will shrink down to the size of an 8 year old child. There are bodies encased and viewable in different monasteries like in Sikkim.

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That will dessicate the body. Some of the rainbow body of masters is not complete. They will shrink down to the size of an 8 year old child. There are bodies encased and viewable in different monasteries like in Sikkim.

 

The bodies appear dessicated to me. The human body is approximately 70% water. Remove the water and the body is dessicated.

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The problem I have with all this is that only the select elite are allowed to see this phenomenon. Why not let real investigators come into these places and document these events with unbiased investigation.

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The bodies appear dessicated to me. The human body is approximately 70% water. Remove the water and the body is dessicated.

I'm not sure what to think about this, but would dessication make the bones shrink? Do you know of a natural process that could make that happen as it does in these cases?

 

...Will the process actually beak down physical matter into light? That process would take enormous amounts of energy, which in physics is called the 'conservation of energy and momentum'...

The transference of enough matter to account for this shrinkage into the material world's photons or energy would be, given E=mc², a lot.

 

Hypothetically - what if only a little matter produces rainbow lights, and the rest is directly transferred into something not within the domain of physics at all?

 

That wouldn't break the law of conservation of mass and energy if the law included nonphysical substances and energies, as there would be a loss of matter and energy on the physical level but an equivalent gain elsewhere.

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I'm not sure what to think about this, but would dessication make the bones shrink? Do you know of a natural process that could make that happen as it does in these cases?

 

 

The transference of enough matter to account for this shrinkage into the material world's photons or energy would be, given E=mc², a lot.

 

Hypothetically - what if only a little matter produces rainbow lights, and the rest is directly transferred into something not within the domain of physics at all?

 

That wouldn't break the law of conservation of mass and energy if the law included nonphysical substances and energies, as there would be a loss of matter and energy on the physical level but an equivalent gain elsewhere.

 

You pose some very good points. There is belief in an atom less body which is a pure rainbow body. That leaves me at a complete loss. As far as dessication of bones is concerned, perhaps salt will not shrink any appreciable amount.

 

I would very much want to see this phenomenon with my own eyes.

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The amount of energy required would be enormous for this transfer. However, is mind potential energy which no one understands its potential and use?

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Rachel Old has died but no word yet of her rainbow body.

Just a dead body for now.

 

Rachel Old?

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