Doctors May Be Third Leading Cause of Death

[sean]

[karen]

And the meaning of iatrogenesis goes even further, if we're talking about the way that a disease impingement is created in the etheric body (granted, not many people are )

 

Any medicinal substance in crude form is capable of causing iatrogenic disease, when the energetic essence of the substance impinges on the life energy of the person.

 

It's like a sexual act, actually, as that superimposition generates new life - a disease entity is "born". It's of course a very different definition of disease, to look at its real etheric nature rather than as an abstract label given to arbitrary groupings of symptoms.

 

So.. when drugs are used, iatrogenic disease is likely to be generated. Taking a drug once in a while probably wouldn't be enough for disease to take hold in the etheric, but if it does, it will manifest in some way even if symptoms aren't noticeable.

 

Or sometimes the symptoms are there, but we associate them with something else. In the worst case scenario, the drug suppresses symptoms while pushing the disease into more vital organs. Then the person mysteriously "comes down" with a serious disease, without accounting for the real cause - iatrogenesis. So there is MUCH more damage done by iatrogenesis than is being reported.

 

You go to the doc for a sinus infection, and you get drugs. Symptoms disappear, and you say YAY! Later on, you mysteriously "come down" with asthma. Well, they call it asthma, but that's just a description of the symptoms. The real cause could be iatrogenic disease.

 

The drug may have caused it, and yet the docs aren't held accountable, and even take credit for "curing" the first disease, even though they actually may have caused the second. Well, they can just send us on our merry way off to a different specialist for the "new" disease.

 

The good news is that if drugs are necessary in a particular situation, there are ways to treat the iatrogenic disease energetically to minimize the damage.

 

-Karen

[fatherpaul]

it is due to a doctor that i am dying of end stage hepc,

let the body relearn how to heal itself.

[DanC]

my acupuncturist told me to stay away from doctors, hospitals, blood tests etc etc.

[Pietro]

it is due to a doctor that i am dying of end stage hepc,

let the body relearn how to heal itself.

 

Paul, why don't you throw in the cauldron a request for whoever knows anything about how to heal it to step forward. Maybe adding something like:

what would you do in my condition

 

You know taoist don't help if they are not invited to.

[karen]

I'd say that staying away from doctors, hospitals, tests, etc., is a good rule of thumb, but there is a time and place for allopathic medicine. When I was in septic shock and my vital organs were shutting down in a matter of minutes, the bacteria had to be wiped out pronto. Allopathic methods are often necessary in acute emergencies - that's where anti-pathic measures - using the law of opposites to counteract the symptoms (in addition to the law of similars to remove the cause), is the appropriate principle to use.

 

It's like the symptom is the messenger, and normallly it doesn't make sense to focus on killing the messenger. But if the messenger itself has become dangerous, like if cancerous tissue is obstructing a vital organ, then you have to deal with the messenger as well as the entity that sent it.

 

Otherwise, for chronic illness and for diagnostic purposes, allopathic methods and invasive testing are usually unnecessary. But also there are times when it's necessary to manage severe pain in the meantime, while the person is working on the root cause of it, and palliating pain when necessary is never wrong.

 

Paul, I hope you're getting the medical care you need, whatever form is right for you. Or if you're looking for something new, there is a system of medicine that is largely unknown but very powerful, and I'm happy to talk about it privately with anyone who might be interested.

 

-Karen

Edited May 21, 2007 by karen

[fatherpaul]

thank you pietro and karen

but it is not my place to intervene

with the natural course of things

 

call it burning off bad karma or some such,

it is what it is.

 

that said

i have little use for "modern" medicine.

[Lozen]

There was actually an article pointing out that when doctors go on strike, the mortality rate goes DOWN and rises again when the strike is over. This has happened in Israel, Canada, Los Angeles, Columbia, and Holland.

 

but it is not my place to intervene

with the natural course of things

 

I wouldn't exactly call doctor-induced diseases the natural course of things...

[Smile]

I cured a person from HepC using energy healing, supplements raise the immune system and blood electrification. Blood test HepC negative. 2 blood tests a month before showed positive.

Max

[mYTHmAKER]

thank you pietro and karen

but it is not my place to intervene

with the natural course of things

 

call it burning off bad karma or some such,

it is what it is.

 

that said

i have little use for "modern" medicine.

When you went to the doctor for whatever reason in the first place were you not intervening

in the natural course of things.

I too distrust doctors.

Some people here have had success with or know of alternate approaches.

It is not ones karma to do nothing - it is a choice - it is not karma.

If you try and it doesn't work - well then that is your karma.

Taoism is not non action. It is doing from your center - action from your center.

Doing without doing is non ego.

Not doing can be ego.

Not doing without understanding is doing - is intervention - is ego.

Edited May 22, 2007 by mYTHmAKER

[xenolith]

I was dead at the age of 10 at the end of an unnecessary 8 hour exploratory surgery. Paddles brought me back. Much more to say. In a book. Someday. Too busy recovering. From much more significant abuses. Much loss. More gained. Also going in the book. And occasionally shared here. But not the losses.

 

Haven't consulted a doctor in >25 years. Ridiculously healthy. Avoid doctors.

 

Love.

 

very lucky xeno

[el_tortugo]

Speaking of not seeing doctors for decades, I have not seen a dentist for a couple. I recently chipped a molar and am a little concerned, I can see the layer under the enamel, dentin?

 

I have been sending chi and blood to the tooth, but I would love to hear any other suggestions.

 

[Lozen]

There is a book called Where There Is No Dentist...

[el_tortugo]

There is a book called Where There Is No Dentist...

 

 

found an online version. . .

http://www.healthwrights.org/books/WTINDentistonline.htm

 

http://www.hesperian.info/assets/dentist/d...st_06_web_0.pdf

 

(uuh ooh, the pdf's won't open)

 

O.K. try here . . . http://www.hesperian.org/publications_download.php#dentist

Edited May 22, 2007 by el_tortugo

[Smile]

Some good info in the book and some BS...

 

Note: Another important way to reduce cavities is by adding fluoride to teeth. Fluoride is a substance which, like calcium, makes teeth harder and stronger. Fluoride in drinking water, toothpaste, vilamins, and mouth rinses, helps to prevent cavities...

 

Try using oils like coconut and natural oil-based soap with no chamicals from your health food store to brush them. It's hard to recommend something proven to regrow teeth as it's in the experimental stage.

[el_tortugo]

It's hard to recommend something proven to regrow teeth as it's in the experimental stage.

 

What is it without recommending it?

[cheya]

Speaking of not seeing doctors for decades, I have not seen a dentist for a couple. I recently chipped a molar and am a little concerned, I can see the layer under the enamel, dentin?

 

I have been sending chi and blood to the tooth, but I would love to hear any other suggestions.

 

 

Only thing I've ever come across in repairing decayed teeth, ie remineralizing exposed dentin (which sounds like what you'll need to do) is in the book Nutrition and Physical Degeneration, by Weston Price, DDS. It's an old book, but absolutely fascinating, in that Price studied the effect of modern foods on the health and physical structure of people in 13 primitive tribes from around the world. Then he applied what he learned to dental health of school children in the US. See chapter 16, "Primitive Control of Dental Caries", starts on page 282.

[sean]

I know of this: My Observations and Opinions on Dental Regeneration and Healing With Natural Healing Modalities by Vinny Pinto.

 

Also there was a whole thread back in January: tooth regeneration, it's official

 

Sean

[Tao Parrot]

Health-care workers do make mistakes. Old joke: You know what you call a doctor who got Cs in medical school? A doctor.

 

On the other hand, modern Western medicine has done a lot to improve quality of life. Yes, there are counterexamples, but come on, it's a net positive. Get the vaccines and go to the emergency department when necessary.

 

Disclaimer: I have aspirations to be in health care myself.

[thaddeus]

On the other hand, modern Western medicine has done a lot to improve quality of life. Yes, there are counterexamples, but come on, it's a net positive. Get the vaccines and go to the emergency department when necessary.

agree..someone should pull the numbers on the amount of people killed by alternative 'experts' and self medicating.

[Cameron]

agree..someone should pull the numbers on the amount of people killed by alternative 'experts' and self medicating.

 

 

I agree with this position as well and consider it fair and balanced.

[karen]

Good point. It's a false notion that only conventional medicine causes iatrogenic disease. But it's impossible to get reliable statistics on these things, because the real causes of illness are so misunderstood, and it's amazing how much goes unreported.

 

It's very common for people taking pharma drugs to have "side effects" which their doctors aren't reporting as adverse effects but are treating as separate problems. But this can happen with any crude medicinal substances, even herbs.

 

Many naturopaths are using relatively safer substances like nutrition and herbs, but throwing crude substances at symptoms is essentially allopathic. Allopathy means they don't really know the principle on which they're prescribing, but only from the point of view that the substance appears to make the symptom disappear. They don't understand the difference between a symptom or condition which is the result of a disease, and the true disease that caused it. The system is a mess.

 

So there's a false duality that sees the allopaths on one side and the naturopaths on another, but they're more alike than many people realize.

 

-Karen

[sean]

I agree with this position as well and consider it fair and balanced.

Wow Cameron, how FOX News of you.

[Cameron]

Wow Cameron, how FOX News of you.

 

 

Ime happy you got the reference...hippy.

[xenolith]

Short version (of my experience)...(SKF sourced) chi can reconnect mouth nerves. Not cause dentin growth.

 

Sorry...wish I could report otherwise.

 

Love.

 

xeno