Fascism + Solutions

[joeblast]

Now, I'm pretty sure Japan doesnt have any death panels, but how does that jive with "Heaven forbid if you are forced to live on when you want to die. I would wake up feeling increasingly bad knowing that [treatment] was all being paid for by the government," he said during a meeting of the national council on social security reforms. "The problem won't be solved unless you let them hurry up and die."

 

Of note, Japan has been ignoring its spending problem for decades - so no, due to fiscal profligacy, cant be taking care of so many old timers.

 

That which is unsustainable will eventually go away.

 

But hey, Obama told Boehner during the fiscal cliff talks "John - we do not have a spending problem." Pesky math. Doesnt matter, talk up medicare out of one side of the mouth while the other side has decreed ripping 700+ billion out of it.

 

Heh...come to think of it, I've asked ralis quite a few times if he thinks we've got a governmental spending problem here in the US. I dont think I've asked him if its federal, some states, many states, many locals So hows about it ralis? What's your thoughts on the deficits we see the country facing? I see you equating anybody that wants to slow the gravy spigot with right wing fanatic nazis, so by that rationale we dont have a social security, medicare, medicaid, welfare, workers comp, disability insurance spending problem? (let's not kid ourselves, I'm not going to ask if you think we have a military spending problem or not, because even I think we spend far too much on it.)

 

(and I dont know if he'd get confused if I asked him if he thought it was a bad idea for towns etc to take their money and spend it on whatever their hearts desire, then turn around and be making up for it by playing with the roulette wheel with the pensions like some localities have been doing...now, oops, our pensions are severely underfunded, how'd that happen??)

Edited January 22, 2013 by joeblast

[joeblast]

oh here's a good one.

 

 

 

 

 

 

MARTIN SMITH: You gave a speech before the New York Bar Association. And in that speech, you made a reference to losing sleep at night, worrying about what a lawsuit might result in at a large financial institution.

 

LANNY BREUER: Right.

 

MARTIN SMITH: Is that really the job of a prosecutor, to worry about anything other than simply pursuing justice?

 

LANNY BREUER: Well, I think I am pursuing justice. And I think the entire responsibility of the department is to pursue justice. But in any given case, I think I and prosecutors around the country, being responsible, should speak to regulators, should speak to experts, because if I bring a case against institution A, and as a result of bringing that case, there’s some huge economic effect — if it creates a ripple effect so that suddenly, counterparties and other financial institutions or other companies that had nothing to do with this are affected badly — it’s a factor we need to know and understand.

In other words, no criminal charges can be levied against anyone who engaged in the crimes leading to the great financial crisis of 2008 because, get this, the implications of pursuing justice may have destabilizing implications!

 

http://www.justice.gov/criminal/about/aag.html

 

ah yes, given his juxtaposition in all this, its most likely a safe bet to declare he should be occupying the jail cell next to eric holder for their roles in fast & furious - if we had a government that was remotely interested in policing itself, that is.

Edited January 23, 2013 by joeblast

[Vanir Thunder Dojo Tan]

Fashion + solutions = ignored.

[eye_of_the_storm]

All good information... I think all relevant too

[joeblast]

biggest bubble of all time? I agree, its fraud:

 

http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2013-01-23/biggest-bubble-history-fraud

 

The housing bubble which burst in 2007 or so was the biggest bubble of all time.

 

Many argue that the bubble in U.S. bonds has surpassed the housing bubble as the largest ever.

 

Of course, given that the derivatives market is more than a thousand trillion dollars, and that is is backed by thousands of times less collateral, a good case can be made for arguing that derivatives are the biggest bubble.

 

But if you really think about it, the largest bubble in history is fraud, because it includes all of the above and more.

Specifically, the housing crisis was caused by fraud. The government encouraged fraud, and helped cover it up.

 

Huge swaths of the derivatives market are manipulated by fraud. See this, this, this and this. But instead of cracking down on the fraud, the government is backing it.

 

And the bubble in bonds was caused by super-low interest rates. See this, this and this.

 

Low interest rates - in turn - are caused by quantitative easing and the government's general zero interest rate policy.

 

And how did the government sell these programs? That they were necessary to help the economy and create more jobs.

 

But in reality, zero interest rate policy is just another stealth bailout for the big banks. And quantitative easing only helps the super-elite ... and hurt the economy and the little guy (Bernanke knew back in 1988 that QE doesn't work for its advertised purposes.)

 

In other words, the government's low interest rate policies were based upon a fundamental misrepresentation as to their purpose and probable effect. Sound like anything else we're all getting subjected to??

 

Indeed, experts say that all bubbles are enabled by fraud.

 

But there are signs that the fraud bubble is collapsing.

 

Trust is falling to all-time lows as to many government and private institutions. Why? Because institutional corruption is so rampant that it is becoming obvious to everyone from Joe Sixpack to amateur and sophisticated professional investors.

 

While liberals tend to distrust big corporations and conservatives tend to distrust the federal government, we all agree that the malignant, symbiotic relationship between the two is the root problem. Indeed, when government and corporatism merge, it is hard for anyone to trust what is going on.

 

When government officials are as corrupt as the criminal enterprises they are suppose to regulate, even the mainstream media can't ignore it any longer.

 

And the people lose all trust in the system.

 

No matter how hard the boys work to cover up their ongoing misdeeds, the fraud bubble may finally be popping ...

 

See examples of a popping fraud bubble here, here and here.

[ralis]

A little instruction for those of you who still don't understand the difference between fascism, socialism, communism etc. This guy has done his homework! Notice that he quotes from historical documents.

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pkfga8CmxZM

Edited February 3, 2013 by ralis

[Marblehead]

Well, Ralis, I just finally watched Zeitgeist, The Movie for the first time earlier today. And you know what? I realized that there are no solutions.

[ralis]

Well, Ralis, I just finally watched Zeitgeist, The Movie for the first time earlier today. And you know what? I realized that there are no solutions.

 

 

Given the chaotic behavior of human primates to engage in wanton acts of self destruction, you may be right. However, there is always hope. Time is running out!

 

Hobbes, Rousseau et al wrote about the human condition and offered solutions. All solutions have been instituted and none have sustained.

 

What we are witnessing is a decline in the U.S. civilization and empire. Like all civilizations, the seeds of destruction are endemic to all civilizations and systems.

 

Toynbee is a place to start.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_J._Toynbee

 

http://www.amazon.com/Study-History-Vol-Abridgement-Volumes/dp/0195050800

Edited February 3, 2013 by ralis

[Marblehead]

What we are witnessing is a decline in the U.S. civilization and empire. Like all civilizations, the seeds of destruction are endemic to all civilizations and systems.

Yes, and this has been witnessed over and over again. Seems that most people have a big problem with understanding the concept of "cause and effect". Thomas Jefferson told us that this would happen if we were not cautious. Guess what?

[zerostao]

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What we are witnessing is a decline in the U.S. civilization and empire. Like all civilizations, the seeds of destruction are endemic to all civilizations and systems."

well we sold out to the ceos didnt we? foreign owned water companies are now taking american water out of america even. its not like the american west needed any water, i guess, yeah this idea of private ownership of everything is really serving us well.

to report from the hinterlands of appalachia, anarchy and lawlessness are very much on the rise tilting towards chaos, if anyone cares?

Thomas Jefferson? oh yeah the 2 $ bill, thats right

the coming fuedalsim is gonna be tough on some folks, just saying

[ralis]

"

What we are witnessing is a decline in the U.S. civilization and empire. Like all civilizations, the seeds of destruction are endemic to all civilizations and systems."

well we sold out to the ceos didnt we? foreign owned water companies are now taking american water out of america even. its not like the american west needed any water, i guess, yeah this idea of private ownership of everything is really serving us well.

to report from the hinterlands of appalachia, anarchy and lawlessness are very much on the rise tilting towards chaos, if anyone cares?

Thomas Jefferson? oh yeah the 2 $ bill, thats right

the coming fuedalsim is gonna be tough on some folks, just saying

I have stated before here about the rise of neo feudalism and neoliberalism which the corporations want. A largely uneducated, low wage with little or no benefits. Throw in a theocracy and we are back in the Middle Ages. The right wing theocrats want a return to the 'divine right of kings'.

[ralis]

Hobbes proposed an authoritarian social contract in Leviathan in which all persons falling under the domain of a particular government, must adhere to. If the authoritarians are able to reduce and possibly eliminate the social safety net, destroy unions etc thereby creating social unrest, then that is an opportunity for a more broader enforcement of order.

[Aaron]

Fascism works upon the notion that the State knows what's best for you. If you accept that, then you must also accept that the well being of the institution of the State is more valuable than the well being of the individual. I can't accept that.

 

The fact of the matter is that all government systems are monetarily based, with the intention of providing the majority of the wealth to a few. Monetary systems work upon the principle of debt, which means that whenever someone becomes wealthy, someone else becomes poor. If we accept this as a fair proposition, then we are accepting a government's right to invoke institutional slavery.

 

We are all slaves. If you punch a time card or pay taxes you are a slave. You just might not realize it. It is only when we can be done with a monetary system and instead become focused on a resource based economy that we will be able to escape this cycle of destitution.

 

Fascism is not the answer, becoming aware of the state of our world is the answer.

 

Aaron

[ralis]

Fascism works upon the notion that the State knows what's best for you. If you accept that, then you must also accept that the well being of the institution of the State is more valuable than the well being of the individual. I can't accept that.

 

The fact of the matter is that all government systems are monetarily based, with the intention of providing the majority of the wealth to a few. Monetary systems work upon the principle of debt, which means that whenever someone becomes wealthy, someone else becomes poor. If we accept this as a fair proposition, then we are accepting a government's right to invoke institutional slavery.

 

We are all slaves. If you punch a time card or pay taxes you are a slave. You just might not realize it. It is only when we can be done with a monetary system and instead become focused on a resource based economy that we will be able to escape this cycle of destitution.

 

Fascism is not the answer, becoming aware of the state of our world is the answer.

 

Aaron

Yes. That is why I included the part on neo liberalism. That is an extremely dangerous problem at the moment. The corporations love it!

[Vmarco]

A little instruction for those of you who still don't understand the difference between fascism, socialism, communism etc. This guy has done his homework! Notice that he quotes from historical documents.

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pkfga8CmxZM

 

This kid needs to run for Congress,...and I hope he has a hundred friends that can run too.

[Apech]

This kid needs to run for Congress,...and I hope he has a hundred friends that can run too.

 

 

Are there really people in the US who think Hitler was a Communist? ... How do they explain Operation Barbarossa?

[Vmarco]

Are there really people in the US who think Hitler was a Communist? ... How do they explain Operation Barbarossa?

 

I'd suggest that there are really people on this forum who belief that Hitler was an atheist commie.

[Marblehead]

I'd suggest that there are really people on this forum who belief that Hitler was an atheist commie.

And that is a gross misunderstanding.

[ralis]

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Edited February 4, 2013 by ralis

[ralis]

And that is a gross misunderstanding.

Why is that a misunderstanding? There are several here that don't believe in history and do believe that Hitler was a communist fascist. Which is a complete fabrication given that he hated the communists. One reason for the extermination of Jews, was that many Jews were communists. For further info on that, research the early communist party in Munich late 20's to early 30's.

[Marblehead]

Why is that a misunderstanding? There are several here that don't believe in history and do believe that Hitler was a communist fascist. Which is a complete fabrication given that he hated the communists. One reason for the extermination of Jews, was that many Jews were communists. For further info on that, research the early communist party in Munich late 20's to early 30's.

Yes, what I meant was that to believe that Hitler was a Communist is totally off base and wrong.

 

Actually, a few Jews saw it coming. The idea of reestablishing the Jews in what was once Israel started in the 1890s. But most Jews didn't believe it would happen or just didn't want to leave what they had.

 

The Fascism we have in the US of A is different from what the Nazi's was but it is still the same thing. (But Bush did do a very good job brainwashing Americans so that we would give up many of our freedoms for the benefit of the Fatherland.) (Fatherland being government and the monied institutions.)

[ralis]

Yes, what I meant was that to believe that Hitler was a Communist is totally off base and wrong.

 

Actually, a few Jews saw it coming. The idea of reestablishing the Jews in what was once Israel started in the 1890s. But most Jews didn't believe it would happen or just didn't want to leave what they had.

 

The Fascism we have in the US of A is different from what the Nazi's was but it is still the same thing. (But Bush did do a very good job brainwashing Americans so that we would give up many of our freedoms for the benefit of the Fatherland.) (Fatherland being government and the monied institutions.)

What Hitler witnessed in Munich was an attempt to take control of the local government by the communist party. He hated the Jews because of that incident and anti semitism that was already prevalent. Edited February 4, 2013 by ralis

[ralis]

I must apologize for my somewhat fragmented posts. Typing on an IPhone keyboard is a pain! LOL!

[zerostao]

been reading the Rabinal Achi. it is a pre-columbian play/dance/ritual that i knew was a way for Mayans to honor their heritage and ancestors. today it was pointed out to me that it was a way to channel the spirits of their ancestors. but that is not why i am posting about this. i did a google search > Rabinal Achi Spirit and found this, it is not what i was looking for but it is a stark reminder of how certain forces operate.

 

http://upsidedownworld.org/main/guatemala-archives-33/1442-guatemala-the-forgotten-spirits-of-rabinal

[Marblehead]

I must apologize for my somewhat fragmented posts. Typing on an IPhone keyboard is a pain! LOL!

No problem. I grasped what you said. I haven't studied that aspect of the evolution there so I really can't comment to it.