resonant111

properly circulating built up sexual energy?

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i got into the practice of sexual transmutation about a year ago but i still don't know if i'm doing this right. seems like there's a lot of experts on this board so hopefully i can get some feedback.

 

HISTORY:

a year ago i started to realize that watching porn and ejaculating nearly every day was leading me into a legitimately depressed and apathetic state of mind. i was always told, even by my parents that masturbation was "totally healthy" and nothing to be shameful of. Last year I started reading tons of taoist, and tantric texts which explained the concept of sex transmutation...that storing and circulating sexual energy brings benefits such as increased willpower, energy, spiritual awareness, etc.

 

I experimented with "retaining the seed" for an indefinite period of time (two weeks-a month typically) and then ejaculating to porn in order to gauge the difference. The results were absolutely obvious...after ejaculation, I felt much less inspired, and very moody...almost like I was on a "man-period" of sorts. ;)

 

WHERE I'M AT NOW:

I'm at the point where I want to COMPLETELY eliminate willful ejaculation from my life, and practice solely the tantric circulation of sex energy but it has proven difficult. My only main "practice" is alternative nostril pranayama breathing, and meditations where I consciously "focus" on the breath.

 

Is this enough though? Despite my disillusionment with porn, I still get the occasional urge to watch it, which pretty much ends any progress I had made up to that point. This usually occurs a few weeks into the practice when the energy gets really intense (sometimes I can feel my second chakra/dantien heavily PULSING and this is when the urge gets tough to handle).

 

I'm also curious about male multiple orgasms. I completely AVOID masturbation of all types when transmuting...is this a mistake? I've experienced heightened states of sensitivity and energy but nothing really comparable to an orgasm itself. Is there such thing as a solo "tantric masturbation" practice where one builds up energy, orgasms, but does not ejaculate?

 

I guess I'd just like some advice on my practice in general...sometimes I feel like I'm just repressing this energy...I guess i'm just looking for other techniques to work with the energy besides breathing exercises.

 

Long read, thanks for all who got this far!

 

-resonant111

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No, there are not a lot of experts on this board. There are a lot of OPINIONS. To my knowledge there are actually very few people posting here that have full qualifications in any particular method.

 

If you want to learn to practice advanced energy methods safely, then proper instruction, by a capable, qualified instructor, is essential. Dabbling and mixing practices is NOT A GOOD IDEA. Attempting to sublimate your sexual energy without this instruction is unwise.

 

There is nothing wrong with healthy sexual functions. That includes masturbation. Your problem is not that you masturbate, but that you are relying on pornography. Pornography and the constant bombardment of sexual images in the media are unhealthy. They do not portray actual reality, but rather they play on fantasy instead. A little fantasy is not a problem. Living in a fantasy world is.

 

STOP the idea right now that there is anything wrong with ejaculation. There isn't. Let go of any guilty feelings you might have on the subject. There is nothing wrong with you. If you want to get off the pornography, there are online help groups I believe. Do a search on Google and this forum for more information on that. Speak to someone you trust about this if you can. There is nothing to be ashamed about.

 

If you are not able to directly seek out a teacher, but want to practice something that is very good, I can recommend the Tai Chi 18 movement qigong practice. There is a free resource here:

 

http://www.everyday-taichi.com/shibashi.html

 

This is a REALLY good set of exercises. The physical AND mental benefits are significant. Do them for a few weeks and see for yourself. If you want some extra instruction I believe there are some video clips also on You Tube.

 

Most importantly, go out and enjoy your life. Do what you enjoy and makes you happy. It is very easy to get fixated on 'spiritual persuits'.

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STOP the idea right now that there is anything wrong with ejaculation. There isn't. Let go of any guilty feelings you might have on the subject. There is nothing wrong with you.

 

 

I don't just feel guilty about masturbating though...I literally DESPISE the feeling post-ejaculation. It's not just guilt, but a literal sense of "loss." I always feel as if I have squandered something very precious. Overall my entire being just feels empty, and my creativity generally plummets.

 

Whenever i retain and circulate the energy with pranayama i feel completely alive, my inner vibration is noticeably higher.

 

I know you wish me the best, but I feel that the path of "non-ejaculation" is the only one I can take at this point. All of my experiences in life have led me to this point...i can't turn back now.

 

I was just wondering if people knew of any other practices to help me retain and circulate the energy. I do not plan on freely masturbating and ejaculating, because i simply don't believe it produces ANY spiritual fruit whatsoever.

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I guess i'm just looking for other techniques to work with the energy besides breathing exercises.

 

 

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I am no expert, but when I wait 7 days and then allow myself to ejaculate I feel much better overall, even the day after. It's like rollover minutes. There was a study posted on this forum about how testosterone levels peak at something like 145% of baseline on the 7th day after ejaculation...I prefer to base my practice off of science as well as my subjective experience, and 7 days is in alignment with both for me.

 

So maybe try that. It is a managable time period...and if you want or require longer time, like a month, go for that. Or just nothing...some people are celibate.

 

I also subjectively feel that sexual energy (like what you feel with lust or during masturbation) isn't pure, and thus not good for cultivation. Best to keep the mind clean, and not touch the dingaling.

 

This is only a discussion of solo cultivation...dual cultivation is something else entirely and these ideas don't apply to that.

 

About what to practice to transmute...find a school that you like, and do that. Otherwise, breathing evenly and naturally to calm the mind is a main method.

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If this is the path you've chosen for yourself, you might do well to check out the Kundalini Awakening Program (KAP) which has received very high reviews from a number of members here. Doing a search on it will lead to many discussions. I suggest this due to the fact that I have heard retention for 1 month at a time is part of it at least at higher levels. Further, you will learn how to get all the energy you need, to feel the way you have described, out of this amount of retention without adding the risks (especially without a qualified teacher and suitable regimen) that come with super extended retention practices.

 

They also do skype classes, and the fee is quite reasonable if you compare it to Tai Chi schools for example. Your proven discipline will ensure that you will be able to get the utmost out of it!

 

Get in contact with TTB user: Shakti Mama, who runs the classes. I`m sure she`ll be glad to answer any and all of your questions about Kundalini, Tantric celibacy (just making that term up, seems to work), exercises, etc., etc.

 

There are other systems and so forth, but this is very accessible and effective and affordable, and includes what you're asking about.

 

P.S. I've never been a student or in any way affiliated with KAP. Just heard lots about it.

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Best dealt with at the root - i.e., the mind. If you've seen the movie Haunted Honeymoon... (If you havent, imho its worth picking up, because its really funny.) So in the movie Gene Wilder's character gets freaked out a lot, especially at the sound of thunder - and Gilda Radner's suggestion to him for when he noticed the process beginning, dismiss it and say "whoops, there goes my imagination again!"

 

Going back to it basically reinforces the behavior. So when the impulse arises, gather it and dismiss it, like collecting some dust in the palm of you hand of going poof! blowing it away into the wind. (I'm talking of the artificial ideas and downstream events thereof.)

 

Enter significant stillness to more fully integrate energies - that is a common thread in the fabric of most any system. Conquer the breath, attenuate signals, the root energy of them, harmonized, is a very key point to cultivation in general. Redirecting energy potentials, in a manner of speaking :)

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resonant111...

 

Why did you resonate with the wrong thing to begin with...??? IMHO Anything is sexually related, in Chi Kung, was considered to be 旁門左道(illegitimate practice). You should start with a method that is not sexually oriented; don't even bother thinking about the stuff that will do you any good... ;)

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resonant111...

 

Why did you resonate with the wrong thing to begin with...??? IMHO Anything is sexually related, in Chi Kung, was considered to be 旁門左道(illegitimate practice).

Does this explain, to some degree, why China is the most populated country on earth??!! B)

 

 

(pondering still, and dimming lights in the process...)

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Does this explain, to some degree, why China is the most populated country on earth??!! B)

 

 

(pondering still, and dimming lights in the process...)

Are we talking about the same thing...... ???....:lol:

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Are we talking about the same thing...... ???....:lol:

:lol:

 

for some reason, your post created a scintillating image in my mind... of covert rendezvous', secret liaisons, and other exciting pursuits!

 

(sorry for being disruptive, OP)

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