Nuralshamal

Dear friends, Some time ago I shared the post below on another thread. I stumbled upon it again recently, and I felt it could potentially help a lot of people. That's why I'm reposting it now with some edits, as well as an "update" at the end of the original post. Here's the original post. ORIGINAL POST I will share in 4 points:1) Intro 2) My experiences with evil spirits 3) My experiences with black magic 4) My proposed explanation integrating viewpoints on evil spirits and black magic (Buddhism, Sufism, Martinus, Hinduism etc)IntroIn my opinion, this is an extremely important topic, that is extremely ignored, belittled and misunderstood by the vast majority of cultivators. Especially those with a western background. Also, even by high level masters who simply don't know about this particular area or haven't trained and studied it.My experiences with evil spiritsI have personally suffered many extreme and terrifying experiences, and no matter where I sought help, I was belittled, ridiculed, ignored or misunderstood.I have seen books flying out of shelves. I have seen bagpacks and other physical items dragged back and forth on the floor. I have experienced "wind" indoors, even though it was a closed off room with no windows. I have seen shadowy/smoke like figures physically moving around, experienced physical touch even though no physical beings are there and much more.When I sought help from a hindu monk, he advised me to start japa of my guru mantra when it happened. I did it... Didn't work.When I sought help from a high level "shamanic" qigong master (you would think spirits would be a walk in the park for a shaman), I was belittled and told "not to pay attention to this illusion I am experiencing". There's nothing illusory about physical objects being thrown around by an unseen force. It's pretty much as concrete as it gets. Almighty God bless him, and bring him to clarity and allow him to actually help people with his powers of qi.When I sought help from another qigong master specialised in healing, he told me to say a prayer and do a mudra. When it didn't work, he explained it away saying that "you're just not powerful enough to do it yet, you need to cultivate more. Be my one-on-one student for 2-3 years, meet me on on a weekly zoom meeting priced at 1.600 dollars for an hour, and then in a couple of years, you will be able to do it".This healing qigong master stated that I have a very loving and very spiritual energy, and that's why troubled spirits get attracted to me. They seek help and healing from me. That's why it worsens when I travel to new places or stay overnight at places that are not my house. The troubled spirits in that place see me and come to get help.I actually believed him, and met him 3 times, wasting thousands of dollars. It didn't work! And on top of that, the clairvoyant things he told me about me and my health were flat out wrong (he said I had weak sexual energy, ejaculated in seconds and drank a lot of alcohol which damaged my liver). I am at a very advanced level of sexual qigong and lovemaking, haven't touched alcohol in more than 10 years and make love for hours daily without ejaculating with very strong erection power.So after 3 meetings, I realized he was simply a semi-psychic (he did say correctly that I had a spine injury, although there were so many other things wrong about his psychic reading), yet pretty good healer (I could feel my back getting better when he gave healings), but most of all he was just thirsty for money. So, of course I stopped seeing him. Dear God, bring him to the straight path, let him let go of his greed for money and selfishness, and instead lead him to the straight path, that he may use his gift of healing for good.I then spoke with a highly clairvoyant sufi master, who did a check on me (for free). He related my entire life story regarding troubles with spirits (without me telling him anything), and he also stated that it's because I have a lot of "light" (noor) inside my soul. This is because of all the prayers and mantras I say each day (since I was a child). He said the spirits are troubled where they are (in "bardo" or "barzakh" as it's called in Islam), and seek my help.He said I should visualise putting up spiritual sign posts around my aura, my house, or anywhere I go that says "I am sorry, I cannot help you. I myself need help, that's why I pray to the light and get that light into me. Please don't come to me, I am in no position to help you, I myself need help, that's why I pray so much. You should yourself pray to the light, then you will get help".I tried it for some time, and it helped in my own house. However, when I went to new places, it didn't work. God bless this man, he is extremely loving, knowledgable and powerfully clairvoyant.When I sought help from another sufi (via the internet), he for free did a "spiritual check" on me. He stated that yes, I have some low level evil spirits around me. He gave me (for free!) a one week program of readings of salawaat (prayers to the prophet), and reciting "bismillahir-rahmanir-rahim" (the bismillah, "in the name of God) many hundreds of times in a day. Then blow on water and drink it.I did it for 7 days, and it worked! It was from his heart and soul he wished to help me. He did it for free.I sent him 100 dollars and said that it worked, and asked if I could keep training with him. I must have paid him only a few hundred dollars, yet I spent 6-9 months corresponding with him via email. He would give me different salawaat, dhikr (name of God), verses of the Qur'an and du'a (prayers). Whenever I did a program (e.g. 7 days, 11 days, 21 days), he would tell me how it went. He would give me feedback on the energy, without me telling him anything. He was very good, he helped me a lot, and he didn't ask much in return. However, after 6-9 months, because he wanted to remain anonymous, I felt that to be a bit weird after so long, so when I had completed a big program, I stopped corresponding with him. We haven't been in contact since.What became my go-to after training with this last sufi guy is 5 verses from the Qur'ran. Ayatul kursi (Verse about the Throne of God), and 4 verses called "the 4 qul". They are the last 4 verses of the Qur'an, and they all start with "qul" which means "say". It's Surah Nas (verse of Man), Surah Ikhlas (verse of Unity), Surah Falaq (verse of the Daybreak / rising sun) and Surah Kafiroon (verse about the Unbelievers).You recite each 11 times (11x ayatul kursi, 11x surah nas, 11x surah ikhlas, 11x surah falaq and 11x surah kafiroon). Then you blow on your right index finger, and visualise your hand coming down from the sky, and drawing a protective circle around the 4 corners of your home, and then finally around yourself, or the room that needs extra protection (e.g. bedroom, prayer room).This has been my go-to for more than 6 years. It has been the only thing that worked for me in this area. If you want to keep your house energy pure, you say 21x ayatul kursi, blow on a glass of water, and sprinkle it around your house. The combination of these two readings saved my life.God bless this man who helped me without demanding anything in return!Unlike these chinese qigong masters, just wanting money and doing nothing to help.Lately when I'm learning Sri Vidya, I feel that some of the mantras and rituals from Sri Vidya will eventually be able to give spiritual protection on an even higher level. There are 2 specific "deities" or energies generated from mantras and rituals for the navel chakra (Durga) and third eye chakra (Varahi) which specifically combat negative spiritual energies, including black magic, evil spirits, the evil eye etc.All of the above are my experiences and solutions for evil spirits so far.My experiences with black magicI have worked for the army in my country. One of my functions was as a translator and interpreter. I have been deployed several times to a UN mission in West Africa.On one of my deployments, there wasn't much work. We only worked from 6 in the morning to 2 o'clock in the afternoon. The rest of the time we we're pretty much on standby.Being stranded in a war zone, there's not much to do. So I spent all my free time reading, studying and practicing (mantras, meditation and qigong).I was in a very good spiritual state at the time due to so much practice, so I was seeing auras and energies most of the time.One time, we were training the local special forces to save hostages. The only building we could use was a big fancy hotel, yet no tourists (because of the war). So to survive, the owner of the hotel rented it out as a brothel.One day, in a break between exercises, I saw one of the prostitutes sitting on the other side of the courtyard (they just sat around and waited for the 3-4 hours that we and the local soldiers used it as a training compound). When she saw me, she started whispering something, and I saw a small cloud of black energy generating in front of her face. Then she did something with her hands, and started blowing towards me. This sent the small black cloud of energy across the courtyard towards me. It just landed in the outskirts of my aura, it didn't go in (thank God!). So nothing happened to me.When I was back in my room later that day, I meditated. Then I understood she was trying to do some black magic on me. Maybe she was trying to seduce or attract me. For a prostitute in a war zone, hooking up with a soldier deployed from Europe could be her ticket out of the warzone to a better life. Luckily, the energy wasn't powerful enough to penetrate my energy field (which was pretty charged at the time due to so much spiritual practice). And as I meditated, the cloud was just destroyed and disappeared from my field.One of the local maids cleaning my place actually put my tooth brush up in her vagina when she was cleaning the bathroom. She thought I didn't know, as I was sitting in the living room. I guess it's a primitive form of African black magic. If you ingest some of the fluids (spit, sweat or sexual fluid) of someone (especially if they say mantras while doing it), you can become more partial to liking that person (becaues you will have some of their energy inside your physical body). I bought a new tooth brush!Another woman working in the restaurant spat in my food and stirred it around to hide it. I ordered a new pasta You need to be very careful in many places of Africa, the Middle East, South America and certain parts of Asia. It's rampant with black magic and desperate people. Luckily they are usually not powerful practitioners, but you can still catch something if you're not protected and observant.My second experience is with my girlfriend. She comes from the Middle East, i.e. the vast majority of her family still lives there. When we got together, it was made public, her ethnicity in our European country as well as her family and relatives in her home country in the Middle East became aware of it. As soon as this happened, she started to fall sick.She would get wrist tendonitis, elbow tendonitis, sore knees, sore lower back, her vision would suddenly drastically reduce, she would get nauseous for no reason, got rashes, stomach ache, started to suddenly lose weight and appetite. For no reason!It just came suddenly out of the blue. She would suffer for some time and recover. Then a new problem came back. This continued for about 6 months. Before we made our relationship public, she wasn't sick even once. After we made it public, she kept continually falling ill again and again.After 6 months of this story of suffering and disease, once when I was meditating, I saw a cloud of red and black energy entering our house. It went to my girlfriend. Then it went into her wrist.That same evening, she started complaining that the wrist tendonitis was coming back.I was very surprised. I was praying and meditating, trying to understand what had happened. A few days later, I got a dream, where I saw planet Earth from above. Then I saw her country in the Middle East (Kurdistan). Then I saw clouds of red and black gathering and forming, and then they travelled to Europe to our country.When I woke up, I understood that God had heard my prayer, and given me this dream to let me know that someone in her home country was cursing her.That started an 8 month period of fighting this magic.First I consulted this qigong healer about it (the psychic one, who told me correctly about my spinal injury, but wrongly about alcohol, sex etc). He to my great surprise said that someone was putting black magic on my girlfriend, and that she should practice his "small universe" meditation to transform the energy.I was surprised he went straight to Black Magic as an explanation, even though I didn't tell him about my dreams and visions. We tried what he suggested, but it didn't work.Then I went to a hindu tantric, who has mastery over spirits, done sadhana (spiritual practice) in graveyards, and done many tamasic tantric rituals to control these spirits (e.g. animal sacrifice, bathing in blood, smearing yourself with your own filth and urine etc). When I spoke with him, he asked me to send a photo of my girlfriend.After 2-3 days, he called me and said that there is black magic on her. We should just worship and pray to God like normal, remain vegetarian, avoid alcohol, and when he visits our country, he will put a kavach (shield/armor) on her. From that day we spoke, everything stopped. So he did something remotely. After a few nights, I had a dream where I saw this swami doing something. A beam of energy went to the Middle East, where I saw someone had buried a charm inscribed with mantras and signs under the plot of one of my girlfriend's family's buildings. The beam from the swami went in and neutralized the black/red energy.I would again highlight that he did all this for free. It seems again that this phenomenon that spirituality costs money and is a business is mostly related to chinese qigong traditions. Sufis and hindus have helped me completely free of charge, just from their heart.It was about 2-3 weeks where it was completely gone, but then it returned.I tried many different sufi methods, prayers, Qur'an, tasbih (prayer beads). It was always the same. It would make it go away, but after a certain period of time, it would return.Later, after I had done a specific reading of a passage from the Qur'an about Moses fighting the black magicians of Farao, the black magic completely stopped. It took me a month, and you have to recite late at night. Then I finally had a dream where I saw this black magician in Kurdistan. Every new moon, or on specific astrological days, he goes to a kind of basement or cellar underground. Here he conducts terrible black magic rituals, involving animals, kidnapped orphans and other terrible things. That's why it's all black and red energy, because it's dirty and bloody what he does. It's someone from my girlfriend's family who's jealous of the part of the family that's gone to Europe.Then I saw him get hit with my one month program of Qur'an, and he lost all of his powers. All the energy drained from him, he became thin, weak and pale.After this it was about 6 months where we were completely free from this black magic. I thanked God and actually thought it was over. I felt kind of bad that it seemed my Moses-reading had damaged him, but I didn't mean to hurt him, I just wanted to protect my beloved girlfriend. It hadn't really hurt him, just taken away the energy he had built up and the evil spirits he was working with.After 6 months, he decided to start to try again, and start from the bottom to build up his energy (he was the most powerful black practitioner I've ever seen). But this time the things he sent were really weak. We just read some Qur'an and du'a, and it stopped.Finally, after starting Sri Vidya one and a half years ago, and we did a 41 day Varahi tarpana. Now we've been clear of black magic for about 1 year. I feel like we have built our spiritual protection so strong now, that we're mostly safe.My proposed explanation integrating viewpoints on evil spirits and black magic (Buddhism, Sufism, Martinus, Hinduism etc)I've highlighted a bunch of my experiences above. Now I'll try to make sense of it and provide an explanation.I'll use an idea of different dimensions of reality to try and explain why people misunderstand each other when it comes to black magic and evil spirits.For simplicity I'll just use the following terms:1) Physical (shared physical world, objective reality, different beings interact with each other in an objectively verifiable sense).2) Energetic (shared energetic world, objective albeit non-detectable reality for untrained people, objectively verifiable by people with their energetic senses open)3) Mind (inner, individual world, unique to you, subjective reality, there's no one else here but you)4) "Astral" (objective and shared reality with different beings interacting with each other through energy and mind)Buddhism:A big problem is that many Buddhists will brush these kinds of things off and say "it's all just mind". Someone even told me "spiritual beings viewed with ignorance, are demons", "spiritual beings viewed with wisdom, are devas". That sounds great philosophically, but it's a completely useless viewpoint when shit gets serious. Books are flying around your room, or your girlfriend is falling sick. It's not something mental, it's concrete and physical. You need to do something.Just like an intruder in your home trying to steal your stuff "it's just mind, it's just illusion". Yes, fine illusion when he slaps you in your face and rapes your family. You need to take practical action and protect yourself and your family.So all this "it's all mind" is great for a meditator going inwards, but it's not useful if you have a concrete, practical problem. Just like feeling hungry "it's just an illusion in your mind", no, you need to eat something.I feel like the misunderstanding is because the buddhist meditator is talking about "mind", whereas the person talking about problems with black magic and evil spirits is talking about the astral, energetic and physical dimensions.It's true that you can meet "darkness" in your own subjective mind, but this is not the same as the objective, shared reality in the astral, energetic and physical dimensions.Some people who are also generally confused and vague in their life experience will not have the ability to discriminate between "mind" (their own fears) and "astral" (a real, verifiable, shared and objective reality). These are the people that buddhists in general target when they say "it's all in your own mind", because they think it's just imagination. For these meditators getting lost in their own subjective minds, it's a great piece of advice. However, for people truly experiencing objective problems in the astral, energetic or physical domains, it's ridiculing, belittling and just not helpful advice.SufismSufism states that there are unseen beings living in an astral, objective dimension. They also differentiate between the subjective mind or ego called "nafs" and the astral world called "malakut" or world of light (angels are called malai'ka, or powerful beings of light).HinduismAlso differentiates between your own subjective mind, and the astral world.MartinusAlso differentiates between inner subjective world (mind, you and your own mind), and inner objective world (spiritual world, your soul and the soul of others).ConclusionI am sure buddhism also discriminates somehow between inner subjective and inner objective world, I just don't know the correct terms. Maybe someone can help me out?The reason that these qigong masters failed to help and just tried to extract money from me, is simply because even though they're master healers, the just haven't trained in and studied the astral world. They know about the physical, energetic and mind, they just don't know about black magic and evil spirits in the astral.The sufis who helped me, they knew about energy and astral, so they could easily see what was happening and what I should do. They had trained in this and understood it.Similarly, the tantric swami had knowledge and power to help us quickly. The black magician was just very powerful, so he could break the spell from the swami and start his black magic again after a couple of weeks by repowering his buried charm through rituals.Mostly when people belittle or ridicule black magic and evil spirits, it's just because they themselves didn't have karma in this area, so they don't know about it. That's why they brush it off as unimportant and not necessary, because it wasn't important to them in their cultivation. However, if you have karma in this area, there's no escaping it. You need to read, study and understand about it, then you need to train in it (mantra, meditation, ritual etc). Then you will master it and be able to go beyond it and continue your cultivation undisturbed.All traditions have sections of their teachings dealing with this, it's just not all masters who've studied this section of their tradition. Because they didn't need it, they state that no one else needs it (wrong assumption and bias to think everyone is like you and need the same as you did. Wrong. We're all different and unique, we need different things).God bless you all! UPDATE SINCE THE ABOVE ORIGINAL POST On top of our spiritual cultivation, we've employed some very basic truths in our everyday lives, which is usually taught at the basic level in most traditional spiritual teachings, albeit largely ignored or misunderstood by western people (myself included, that's why I'm emphasising it now): 1) "Conceal your blessings" (this is as to not invoke a feeling of lack in others, which could trigger jealousy, envy, evil eye or black magic - practically it just means not to talk about your succes in love, money or spiritual journey publicly (e.g. insta & fb) and even to your loved ones, close friends and family members. We just share it with each other, me and my girlfriend, celebrate our sucess and give thanks to Almighty God) 2) "Certainty" (Yaqeen in arabic) consisting of 3 points 1) everything is from God, 2) it's for my highest good, 3) it has a message for me, about something I need to change. For me the message was simply to accept that "evil" is indeed a part of God's creation, and evil spirits and black magic is real. I always shunned it off and looked down upon it as mere superstition. Nope, it's real! So take it seriously and take mindful precautions, it's simply a test from God. Don't lose your certainty, your faith, have full trust in God and do your daily spiritual work 3) The best spirituality you will find is free or very low cost - all the people and healers I splurged money on failed to deliver and actually help us. The people who had true love, compassion and heart were the most powerful, they helped us completely for free or at very low cost. All these commercial gurus are simply fitna, illusion, they're a Golden Calf or temptation from the straight path. Truth is hiding in plain sight, simple, yet most profoundly powerful. Be a good human being, trust God, have heart and mercy for your fellow human beings and the animals, and you'll be showered with a tsunami of power and protection directly from the Lord Most High. 4) The importance of "local" spirits - each place you go to have a Kshetra Palaka (Local Protector) or TuDi (Earth King/God) who are the Spirit Kings of that place. Further, there are also local spirits living in that location. If you do cultivation there without permission/friendship with the local Spirit King, you can start to get into spiritual trouble. This is a big part of traditional Hindu sadhana as well as Daoist cultivation. After each hindu ritual you give Bali Dhana (spirit charity offering) to the local spirits and the Kshetra Palaka, or in the case of Daoist magic or cultivation you say the An Tu Di Shen Zhou (Pacify Earth Spirit Mantra). It's even one of the Daoist Ba Da Zhou (8 Great Mantras) to be said daily. So be aware if you travel to new locations - make sure to include the local Kshetra Palaka or TuDi to be in harmony with the spirits of that place. 5) The importance of spiritual lineage (sampradaya). When you're part of a true, authentic spiritual lineage, you will also have much more spiritual protection and power. If you call upon your guru or master with the appropriate mantra and mudra, it's the combined energy of thousands and thousands of years of people doing spiritual practice coming to help you spiritually. A complete game changer!

Yes, so many of my wife's family were among the people who defeated ISIS. Just imagine the strength and fighting spirit of Kurdish TEENAGE men and women in flip flops with no training defeated ISIS which was largely trained and equipped by CIA and America before they rose to prominence and was deemed an enemy of the West. Imagine you sitting at home, watching television of brigades of heavily armed ISIS fighters taking over huge modern cities in mile long convoys of pick ups with heavy machineguns, decapitating thousands live on twitter, you're a 15 year old girl, and your reaction is to grab your flipflops and your AK and go to fight them. That's a very special kind of inner strength and courage. It's truly tragic, as the kurds are some of the "most normal" in the Middle East, simply meaning reasonably European and sensible in many ways, compared to many of the more fanatical regimes. If a united Kurdistan was created, it could potentially be a kind of beacon of light, humaneness, sensibility and just "normal living" to help stabilise the whole region. An oasis in a sea of fanaticism. What they lack is a strong leader with this powerful vision of unity, as unfortunately due to millenia of wars, the mentality of "caring for yourself first" is extremely strong. Nationalism is also there, but it's a largely unguided force, intercepting militarily when things are grave and you need to defend (e.g. ISIS), but not with a vision of unity for all the kurds. And realistically every major power is against them in the region, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Turkey. They would lose land, power, ressources and influence if Kurdistan became a unified country. Actually Israel is one of the only powerful countries in the Middle East that tries to help Kurdistan - e.g. buy a lot of their oil, covertly sell them weapons, provide secret agents to help defeat fanatics that are trying to rise to power and so on. The Isreali story of being a persecuted nation without a homeland, with all major powers against them is so similar in spirit to the Kurdish story of being a persecuted people without your own country, and all major powers using you and your land as a plaything in their own games. That's why they help each other since modern Isreal was founded, even though ofc many modern Kurdish brainwashed by islamic fanatics are not aware of it, but the older generation remember when secret isreali agents brought them food, water, ressources, clothes etc in times of war and crisis, also weapons for self defense, and still financially today they support by buying oil in massive quantities at a fair price. Yes, Africa could almost be declared the black magic capital of the world, the magic there is very powerful

So fascinating, you really made the whole culture and history come alive! It's truly mindboggling how connected (for better or worse) people close to nature are to spirit. But unfortunately they use it both for good and evil. Yes, awesome idea about Kurdistan. In my dream I saw a carved rock-like charm bound with leather skins, both of them inscribed with ancient signs, buried under a plot of land in Kurdistan. This was then re-energized through rituals every now and then. So if we could find it, dig it up, and destroy it, I'm sure it would stop everything for ever. Luckily things have been ok for a long while, but every time one of the family members returns from a trip to Kurdistan, all family members here in Europe start having physical, health, mental or family issues for 1-3 months. So I think when they're down there, it somehow "re-ignites" the fire of hate and jealousy in the hearts of the people living there permanently, prompting them to restart all their black magic against this branch of the family. Luckily we are more aware now and combat it proactively. Just having that awareness that black magic is real, it makes you stop and think every now and then, when everything suddenly goes wrong for no reason out of nowhere. Then you can do something about it, instead of just suffering through it, when it could be stopped/improved by spiritual means.

It's so crazy how widespread it is! Thanks for sharing, it really brings into light "the reality" of life in these precious and beautiful regions of the planet

Yes, some even say the were originally South Indias who fled/migrated. If you see their temple in Lalesh, it's very hindu like in structure. Further, Yazd means "south", so it could be an explanation for the name "yazidi" - people from the south. And just like so other ancient Middle Eastern spiritualities including reincarnation, meditation, all kind of beautiful spiritual teachings, they have to hide it to avoid getting their heads chopped off. In Southern India Subramanya/Skandha/Karthikeya/Murugan is very popular, he's the other son of Shiva (more wellknown son is Ganesha the elephant God), and you guessed it, he rides a peacock. So it's possible they're related, that the yazidis were from South India who worshipped Subramanya.

Hey @goretex, Thanks for your comment. Interesting that you're writing now, as it is actually pitru paksha right now it started a few days ago, and me, wife, father and an aunt visiting are doing rituals daily. It's something me and my wife have discussed a lot. As if her ancestors were alive and saw us doing "hindu stuff", they would probably disaprove, as they were strict muslims. My ancestors did voodoo, and hinduism is insanely similar. I have this aunt visiting from the US right now, she's lived in Haiti many years of her life, and have been much more in touch with voodoo. She told us during the fire ritual that it is more or less exactly the same. However, regarding my wife's ancestors, I have felt them coming every single time, and they do indeed "get better" from it. The number of ancestors showing up has decreased from year to year, it also decreases almost daily during pitru paksha, both factors ndicating it actully helps them. The intensity of their negative energy also decreases almost daily, but markedly from year to year. We've come to the conclusion that from whereever they are, they don't necessarily "see" exactly what we're doing. From where they are, they just feel/sense/receive the energy itself. The energy behind the ritual guided by our intention (which is always clearly stated in the beginning durin the step called "sankalpa" in hindu rituals). So it's a great question indeed, something we've pondered, and so far experience seems to indicate that the world they're in now (it's called pitru loka in hinduism) is more energy based, and the connection to them is autmatically governed by your lineage/DNA connection, so whatever energy you use, it gets filtered through that before being sent. These are anyway some of our thoughts on the subject so far

Dear Dao Bums,I'd like to share my experiences with ancestor worship, as all as hear your experiences with ancestors. A hindu holiday called "Pitru Paksha" (Fortnight of Ancestors) just finished, it was 16 days in total from the full moon on the 29th of September and just concluded here on the new moon 14th of October. In this period I did particular ancestor practices each day consisting of mala japa (mantras recited using a rosary), puja (prayer ritual), tarpanam (water ritual) and havan (fire ritual). I'll share my experiences in 4 parts: 1) My personal bias against ancestor worship 2) My reason for trying ancestor worship 3) My experiences with ancestor worship 4) Conclusion 5) Questions for you 1) My personal bias against ancestors worship Growing up very influenced by monotheistic ideas, I was always very biased against ancestor worship. Why worship spirits, when you can worship Almighty God? So I always kind of looked at worshipping anything but "The One Surpreme God" as a kind of waste of everyone's time at best, and on par with black magic at worst. 2) My reason for trying ancestor worship In spite of the above bias against anything related to clairvoyance, chakras, energies, spirits, higher beings, ancestors etc, I decided to try it. The reason being that over the course of my life, in spite of the above mentioned bias, it was practical life experience which taught me the validity of many of the above things. Through SKY I learnt that chakras are real, through terrifying experiences I learnt that black magic & evil spirits are real, through Hindu rituals, mantra & meditations I learnt that these things indeed work and can improve your life spiritually and materially. So because everything Hindu-related I tried actually "worked" practically, gave me results & experiences, I decided to give the Hindu version of "ancestor worship" a go this Pitru Paksha holiday. The reason being that my horoscope indicates "Pitru Dosha" or "Ancestor Problem". Another motivation to curiously be open to new things and actually try it. 3) My experiences with ancestor worship I'll share a bit about what I experienced from each modality below. 3.1 Mala Japa I committed myself to 110 malas of 2 different mantras during Pitru Paksha (as advised by Hindu astrologers). The first was "Pitru Dosha Nivaran Mantra" or "Remove Ancestor Problem Mantra". The second was a Vishnu mantra said to give Atma Shanti (Soul Peace) to troubled ancestors, namely Dwadakshara Mantra (12 syllable Vishnu Mantra). The first day while reciting my 7 daily malas of the Dwadakshara Mantra for Pitru Atma Shanti, I felt a peace come over me unlike any peace I've ever felt before. It was so deep, profound and restful, I never knew such peace existed. The next day during practice, instead I started having spontaneous memories of my maternal grandfather. This continued for about 2-3 days and brought me a lot of joy to remember. It was all things from when I was very young, because he passed away when I was only 11 years old. After that a period of about 4 days started where I would have memories of my paternal grandfather. I loved him very dearly, even though we mostly saw each other when I was a kid, and again the last 2 years before he passed away in my mid twenties. Further, the last 2 days, I felt some negative feelings related to wanting to love your family and truly loving them, but also feeling very annoyed and aggressive with your family because of their negative traits. After that I saw sporadic memories of different family members for a day or two, and after that a new phase started. During the remaining days, whenever I sat for japa of this mantra I wouldn't have memories, instead I would have feelings. E.g. feel restless, annoyed, irritated and many such minor negative feelings, however it was quite intense. As soon as I finished my 7 malas it stopped, and I returned to the mood I had been in before starting japa. On the final 16th day, the deep, profound and restful peace again enveloped my being, and I knew that I had helped my ancestors overcome their spiritual troubles and give them peace. As well as cleanse and purify their physical and spiritual imprints in my body and soul. The Pitru Dosha Nivaran Mantra was extremely powerful and energizing to say, even though it was a long mantra and took deep concentration to remember. It also took much, much longer to recite the 7 malas each day, as the mantra was so long. During the entire 16 day period, I mostly felt energized while doing it, and only a few times I felt restlessness and at another time extreme boredom. 3.2 Pitru Puja I did the puja daily with my wife, it's a very short puja where you offer your ancestors "the 5 offerings" (panch upachara) namely 1) sandalwood powder (gandham) for the earth element, 2) flowers (pushpam) for the space/energy element, 3) incense (dhupam) for the air element, 4) the flame of a lamp (dipam) for the fire element, 5) fruit (naivedyam) for the water element, 6) mouth freshener (tambulam), 7) finally burn camphor (kapoor) to purify the mind (manas). My wife has middle eastern background, and many of her ancenstors in the past century have fought and killed and been killed in wars, as well as endured torture, unjust imprisonment etc. During the first day of puja, I "felt" or "saw" 7 ancestors enveloped in a golden aura coming on my side, and I saw what must have been about 150 ancestors or so envoloped in a red aura standing on her side. When we offered the food, I felt a physical sensation of something "grabbing" into the food in my hand and "taking a portion" of its energy. As each day progressed, fewer and fewer ancestors would be there. My number reduced from 7 to 4, then to 2, and finally 0 would come. For her it reduced from about 150, to 120, to 70, to 40, to 10, and finally 0 would come. It was already after about 1 week of daily puja that 0 would come. I didn't know exactly what that meant, but I took it as a positive sign that they had been satisfied and were in no further need. We still continued the daily puja for the entire period, though I didn't feel like anyone came after that. 3.3 Pitru Tarpana During pitra tarpana, you offer water with sesame seeds. As a man I offered black sesame seeds, my wife offered water with white sesame seeds. You say a mantra and pour the water into a plate. I felt different positive & pleasurable sensations when offering to different ancestors (pitrus), but I couldn't identify a pattern of which ancestors triggered which sensations. Another thing I noticed was that the lamp we had burning (from the puja, we always did the two rituals right after each other) would seemingly change color and shine different lights! I was focused on pouring water into the plate, so I couldn't watch it closely, but it seemed it was a particular great grandfather or great grandmother, then the lamp would shine a dazzling rainbow light with shining silver specks in it. This happened about 3-4 times. I just took it as a positive sign that this ancestor received our offering. 3.4 Pitru Havan Towards the end of Pitru Paksha my wife's sister visited us. She unexpectedly called my wife up one day and said she'd like to visit. She stayed and stayed and stayed, even though she had work next day (also against the normal pattern), and late in the evening I said we needed to do a ritual and if she would like to participate. To our great surprise she happily obliged to participate in a fire ritual for the ancestors. We were both extremely surprised, as that's not something she would normally be open to, and especially this late on a weekday. So off we went and did the fire ritual, and she completely changed during the ritual. She has a general sad tendency in her mood, but when we did the ritual, the more mantras we offered into the fire, the more energized and passionate she became. Towards the end as we were to finally pour in all the remaining offerings, she jumped up and down and around the fire almost screaming the mantras. She was fired up!!! It was quite an interesting experience. Finally, on the new moon and last day of pitru paksha, me and my wife went alone to the nearby bonfire place to perform the "full" havan. We had performed a very shortened version to accomodate her sister's participation last time. It was extremely powerful. It was as if the fire was alive, it eagerly ate up all offerings, and on different ancestors names it would change color (the flame would be yellow, red, orange, white, blue) and it also changed its pattern (sometimes circulating in the fire pit, sometimes staying in a particular corner, sometimes suddenly rising much higher, then suddenly falling much lower) etc. Sometimes the offerings in the pit "exploded" which was very unsual, luckily we weren't hit by it. We took it as a communication from the ancestors, which ones we had a good karma with, who did we have a bad karma with etc. At the end of the ritual you walk clockwise 3 times around the fire, and at that point my whole being dissolved in extremely restful peace. I was shocked, because we were both in a quite energetic and dynamic mood, but like lightning, very suddenly and powerfully, when we circled the fire I was plunged into extreme peace. 4) Conclusion After completing all of the above sadhana (spiritual practice) during pitru paksha I must admit that I am now a firm believer in ancestor worship. It didn't feel spooky, scary, unnatural or any of the prejudiced ideas I had about connecting with "spirits". It felt very normal, very natural. It's still your family, they just don't have a body anymore. I truly believe you can really change yourself, your life, your destiny, your karma & your relationships by ancestor worship. My wife has always had an extreme rageful temperament, so has her family, at the drop of a hat they can explode. Since the very first day we started Pitru Paksha, she has been much, much calmer. I don't think she's gotten angry even once since, which is extremely unusual. Usually every day or every 2 days she will have a short ragefit. I believe now it's all the ancestors who died young in the war and are still full of violence, anger, rage & agression about the war, torture, imprisonment etc, they need someone to "see" them. See their rage, see their pain, see their anger, only then do they feel seen and understood, and then they can "let go" and move on. Now after all our prayers, they have found peace. Then they can move on, instead of "lingering around" my wife and her family, simply waiting for the right moment to "jump in" and express their rage through their descendants. We'll see how it goes from here, but I have a profound respect for ancestor worship now, and can imagine doing it every holiday suitable for it or when otherwise needed. 5) Questions for you What's your experiences with ancestor worship?

My cousin's husband is from Morocco, he also told me these stories. How poor and desperate people do black magic in the street while begging or scamming people for money. Yes, unfortunately each nation or people has certain strengths and weaknesses, or we could say blessings and tests from God. A huge test in the muslim ummah in general is jealousy and hate, competing with your close ones instead of cooperating, and social comparison and judgement is an enormeous weight pulling also down on the already burdened shoulders of Middle East. Whereas I would say the joy of life, love of living, zest and ofc a natural social inclination as well as enjoyment of gathering together, having food together, just enjoying each other is a big blessing of these people. Just being human, and aliveness itself. I always enjoy when we just get together as a family, even if we speak different languages, just sitting and having tea together, sharing funny/silly insta videos I feel so connected to my extended family members. This is a big blessing without a doubt too.

great points! yes, as interesting as all this is, we’ve drifted completely away from the topic. SO! back to black magic. it sucks, and is super prevalent in the Middle East. in my wife’s village where she grew up, it was standard practice and you learnt since you were small. different things you could do, eg if someone has gotten a new home and you’re jealous, you write some things from the Quran in reverse on a slip of paper, say a curse, blow on it, crumble it up and hide it in the new home somewhere not to be found. As long as it’s there, it’ll give bad energy to the new home. Similarly at weddings, again, if you’re jealous, you can tie a string or a ribbon say on the chair, the utensils or any other thing to be used by the target, again saying a curse and blowing on it. If the victim then uses the thing, they will get cursed. there was also another trick, again if you feel jealous that they ‘have it better’ than you, where you peel a fruit, etch signs into the peel, then hide it in the home of the target during your visit. The peel again being ‘trash’ so giving off bad energy. these are simple and Childs play versions, but everyone in the village had learnt basic ‘black magic 101’ as kids. so just imagine if you really want to go into it, the ancient systems found there all the way back to ancient pre-Islam Persia and ancient Babylon, using blood, piss, feces, and systematic cultivation of dark energy over decades. And just to remind, this young dude who cursed us, Zhongxian Wu inspite of cultivating since the age of 4, having all magical powers, healing, having done 1 year dark retreat in a cave, you name it, he couldn’t remove it. Chunyi Lin who’s also got healing and psychic powers, having fasted 30 days in a cave meditating until he could see with his eyes closed, he also wasn’t powerful enough to remove it. Hindu Swami who’s done sadhana since his teenage years, having done tantric graveyard sadhana and tamasic worship using blood to control spirits, having siddhi of Mahavidyas, he also couldn’t remove it. sufi having done innumerable retreats in Iran and Afghanistan, the most psychic and clairvoyant I ever met, having healing lots of people on the brink of death deemed unsaveable due to blood cancer, marrow cancer, brain cancer, you name it, he also couldn’t remove it. this is serious stuff, and from what I gather it’s a kind of specialty niche in cultivation, that unless you’ve gone deep, you cannot counter it, no matter how strong your general energy is, and even if you at a high level in tamasic tantric controlling spirits. So I feel you need to train in this specific area in order to be able to fight someone who’s also trained specifically in this area. And people who do that are extremely rare, even the most powerful masters I met in my life (all cited above), as well as my SKY masters, none could remove it.

Thanks for chipping in! Yes, it really is crystal clear, very obvious. No judgement in that, it's just super helpful to know and understand this in order to be in harmony with each other.

Thanks for sharing! Yes, being mixed and growing up between cultures it’s blatantly obvious just how different people and cultures are, and from an early age you learn exactly what the key differences are, sometimes in a painful way. Eg I have so many painful experiences in my school years, where I was the only person in class who thought and felt a certain way about different topics, like gender roles, importance of a higher power, hierarchy, respect, just things as basic as sharing your candy with your friends I got a huge scolding for. It’s a special kind of life when your whole reality is one way, but all the people you meet and interact with in school, at sports, at work, at the store, when you’re out and about act in a way you don’t understand, that’s in complete opposition to your own natural way of life. Eg ‘just being happy’ is hugely triggering, but it’s a well known thing, they call it ‘African happiness’, a natural love for life itself. ‘Don’t worry, be happy’, just my own simple, natural, happy temperament can make people attack you. Simply existing, being yourself will trigger a desire in others to correct you to their way of life. Kind of like what Cobie was doing. A natural desire to convert others to what they themselves believe and think, cause all else is ‘wrong’. I could go on and on about examples, but ofc if you are born and raised mono culturally, and you live in a country with the same culture, you won’t necessarily experience these things as shockingly, therefore not seeing how big the differences in daily way of life, thinking, feeling and acting really is. It’s huge! Doesn’t mean we can’t be in harmony, but it starts with seeing and acknowledging our uniqueness, then proceeding on what we agree on in a mutually pleasant, beneficial and respectful way.

Yes, sorry for dropping all these truth bombs. It's not my intention to in any way, shape or form paint a "negative only" picture, I'm just sharing some of my personal observations. I do think he's overall a pretty good human being, sharing ancient wisdom, practical methods and so on. But like I said, he's also just a human being like the rest of us, with family and marital issues, issues around money, sex, being social, family issues and so on, it's normal and natural. So hope it's not giving off the wrong message. Ofc for me personally I was so hurt by what happened to me, but I don't see him as all good or all bad, he's just a guy, he has his positives and negatives, just like we all do.

@Cobie You're the most judgemental one here pal, you're prejudiced coming like that dropping a value judgement on another human being with zero sense of humanity and no value add whatsoever. Do you even know anything about culture? What she's stating is research based and used by Special Forces units in active warzones for optimising possiblity of sucess in interaction with combatants as well as civilian actors from different countries. I know cause I've been there alongside them, trained them, fought alongside them and was sought after by PhD and cultural researchers at the national army academy as an active duty officer with several deployments behind me for my cultural knowledge. It's called "neutral vs affective" and based on data from more than 40 countries by Trompenaars and Hamden-Turner, and is supported by parallel findings of other highly reputed cultural researchers like Edward T Hall, Hofstede, Ekman and Schwarz. If you consult any of them, you will indeed find Dutch, German and Scandinavian countries to be some of the cultures the LEAST emotional and the least valuing emotional display, actually actively disliking it, with the most extreme being russians, indians and japanese, whereas on the other extreme you'll find countries like the US and South America highly valuing the open display of emotionality. So coming in and saying "you prejudiced" just showcases your own lack of knowledge in this area and your own prejudice Asides from my army career, university degree and professional intercultural experience, I also personally live in Northern Europe, and what she's describing is indeed the real, objective, factual truth about these peoples, as backed by science. And of course @Lala Nila's experience.

Plastic surgery you can see in some of his new videos, Americans are really over the top in this department. And his kids he talked about that in some of the weekly "qi talks", and shared how he used some mantras and mudras to force kids to come to parents, as well as some chinese psychology on how he forces his son to visit him. Like he would text and call his son, son doesn't respond. Then after x amount of time, he sent him a text "if you don't respond after x amount of time, I'm showing up at your doorstep and I'll be living with you until I'm gratified for my own need to see you". This is pretty standard playbook for non-American and non-European parenting, that you force yourself on the children, but from a western perspective you ask yourself "why doesn't the son want to see you?" - eg in my own case I always loved and respected my parents, I love talking to them, I see them often, I never had a period where I actively didn't want to see them. Simply because we love and respect each other, see each other needs, communicate, give each other space, whatever, so we all feel close and cared for in our relation. So there's something "off", prompting the son to actively try to avoid his dad. Then in order to avoid this "off" thing, whatever it is, which he's obviously unaware off or actively blocks out, and just use standard forceful/dominating parenting to override and avoid dealing with this "thing" going on between them, whatever it is. Even using magic, mantras and mudras to override their free will.

Pretty good points! ChatGPT is really improving. Yes, I really feel that the soul-correction of Scandinavians, English, Anglos is pretty connected, but ofc with some variety in the spices used in this metaphorical karmic dish for each nation. The whole thing about functionality, rationality, the mental and intellectual taking over everything, leading to invention, discovery and efficiency, thereby providing an exceptional framework for a well-functioning society with materialistic abundance and general safety and stability, yet now the challenge is the "content within the frame", that it doesn't grow too empty, dry and robotic. So there's both a frame, as well as a beautiful and colorful painting within that frame. The inner and outer, yin yang, masculine feminine, rational order but also soulful substance and juicy aliveness. Kind of the reverse of the Caribbean/African correction, so much soul, substance and juicy aliveness, but the challenge is order, efficiency and functionality. My wife often says it's incredible how my 2 sides complement each other and can even co-exist, that I'm efficient in work and dealing with and overcoming our problems, yet sensual, sexual, fun, alive and juicy in the home, family life as well as our free time outside work Though for me the challenge is that I'm so "bored" and kind of surprised at the robotic, rigid lifeless people I'm with at work, where's the soul? No juice. I often ponder "are these people even alive? Is there someone "home" underneath somewhere?". Then again sometimes in the home when my head is switched off and I'm just a bunch of juicy, pulsating, animal, fleshy muscle organism having fun, I'm sometimes funnily and britishly "appaled" at the more instinctual, savage and aggressive natural reactions of my wife and her family when we have some issues and their dislike for "civilized solutions" :'D instead preferring to scream it out or even settle it by physical wrestling right in front of the whole family, "alas, everywhere I turn, there's nowhere for the son of man to rest his head" :'D Life is really magical and mysterious! A joyful headache

Just saw this post had you at a total of "108" posts (beneath your name to the left here on the forum, next to the messages). 108 is a significant number in hinduism, it has showed up a lot since I married my wife, whenever Almighty God wants to signal to me that something is Divine. So I take it that our exchange has been divinely orchestrated to expand both of our minds Yes of course, thanks for sharing your viewpoints, I agree and deeply appreciate it. For sure, what saved us at the end of the day was mostly the sufi method using surah Ta-Ha, ayat 68-69 about Moses. Btw, do you have any connections at all to Javanese spirituality? Have seen a lot of interesting stuff, as there's both daoist qigong (3 dan tien, 5 elements, 5 organ qi, cultivating qi, using it for healing through meridians and acupoints) alongside shamanistic ancestor and spirit magic, talismans, amulets etc, sufi/islamic work using the guardian angels of the names and verses, as well as of course hindu/buddhist elements. Yeah me too, really enjoy our exchange

And thanks for sharing about your dream, very fascinating. Yes, sounds like the sense impressions from your research lodged in your unconscious and replayed during the night as images.

I understand the uncomfortableness of grouping according to race and skin-colour due to the past decade of political correctness, and ofc the general history of mankind. But it's not a theory produced mentally in someone's head. There is a spiritual truth in race, like it or not, and I get that "white vs non-white" can be upgraded in terms of its definition and precision, just like you correctly state that eastern europeans are also white. It's just for ease of use, and it's not the color per se, it's the race or ethnic group. If you develop your soul and energy, you can clearly feel that each race has a different type of soul and energy, it's not mental, it's not from someone's head, it's just a lived, experiential fact and truth. We've learnt to mentally block ourselves from sensing this, but it's a base truth everyone on planet Earth experiences easily, simply and immediately upon contact with other people. This felt, sensed and experiental fact is then what has led to all the problems (racism, slavery, genocide, ethnocentrism, you name it). But that's like saying we shouldn't discuss apples and pears, as they're both fruits. Yes, but why not see things for what they are and then take it from there? It's the mental interpretation of the experience that's flawed, not the base, sensed, felt, matter-of-fact observation. Races are different, it's just a fact. What we then do with that fact, okay, we can then discuss that. I do agree that indo-europeans came from the same, that's why all the languages are in the same family, that's why Nordic mythology, Greek mythology, Hinduism, you name it, is so similar. It's literally the same source material, which then over millenia morphed, just like the languages. E.g. Indra is god of thunder, Thor is god of thunder, Zeus is god of thunder etc. The word Friday is from "Freya's Day", Freya being the nordic god of love, sexuality and pleasure. In astrology friday is associated with Venus, and Friday is the best day for a lot of Goddess worship in Hinduism and so on. It's similar, because it's the same source - same original people or race, same original language, same original religion, which then slowly morphed over time as this one people spread geographically. And I do agree with a lot of the historical, religious and cultural observations you mentioned. People of different races, cultures and religions even have different auras, I'm not "an island", meaning I'm just one guy sharing my observations, Barbara Brennan who's put in pretty high regard in the white (sorry to use it again, I'm teasing you ) new age community, she's also clearly shared her observations about this, as has Rosalyn Bruyère. There are differences, it's not a value judgement at all from my side, it's just a matter of fact observation, nothing wrong with that. We're all children of God, but our race is like our vehicle, e.g. some drive a ferrari, some a range rover, some a volkswagen, each has pros and cons, but there's no difference in inherent value, all bring their uniqueness to the table. I think it's beautiful, it's incredible how God created all this. Just zoom in on two grains of sand on a beach, they will be different. Zoom in on two drops of water, they'll also be unique, same with two snowflakes. But grains of sand have something in common, they're sand, drops are water, and snowflakes are snowflakes. It's not a value judgement, it's just an observation.

@Lala Nila Yes, me, my dad and cousins all have it, albeit not as strongly. He had it like clockwork, whenever something was about to go down, very related to the material world and survival, the close ones, the family etc. Whereas for me it's mostly related to spiritual guidance, but I also get dreams of warnings sometimes, or guidance about the people close to me in everyday life (their true character and motives etc). My wife never had dreams her whole life, as soon as we moved in together, she started getting it too. Now it's almost a daily breakfast topic before we hit the day, we talk about our dreams and what they meant. So it's there in my energy field somehow. Now that she started getting dreams it's always about her family and how they're doing. Mine is mostly spiritual guidance as I said, but also what's happening with my family, and sometimes material warnings or guidance. Ofc also the odd psychological dream about my own emotional unconscious every now and then, but usually when I wake it's quite clear what kind of dream it was (psychological or spiritual). Also whenever people cross over, I usually dream of them, see their current state, exchange last words, sometimes help them if they're lost. I cannot always do it in the dream, then I do it in my meditation during the day. I noticed that most non-white people naturally have all these things, a natural connection to spirit, intuition, gut instinct, dreams and the ancestors. Because my one side of the family all have it, whereas the white don't at all. And ofc growing up in majority white society, no one could really mirror these things back to me, as it was just outside their experience, they didn't know, didn't feel, didn't understand. All was mental. Then when I was a teenager I got a lot of friends with immigrant background, serbians, iranians, people from the Middle East, and ALL had it, naturally. Gut instinct, dreams. I also noticed it when I became a SKY master and started giving chakra initiations to people. Non-white people receive the energy much easier and more powerfully, it impacts them very deeply on a soul level much faster. It was the same when I was doing qigong healing as taught by firstly Zhongxian Wu then later Chunyi Lin, this was between 2018-2022. All the non-white people would get visions, dreams, cry, see their deceased grandparents, they would get guidance in the session what had happened and what they needed to change, it was very natural and spontaneous, flowing. I spoke with a sufi master about it, he himself obviously being from the Middle East, and he said he had observed the same. He said it's because each race is designed by God in a particular way, orginally more suitable for physical survival in particular climates, but later now it's related to the types of souls and the "karma" (from eastern perspective) they need to work out. Ofc in sufism they say it's the qadr or qismat, or destiny/fate written for that soul. E.g. people from particular races, cultures and religions are meant to go through different types of karma and soul corrections. Some examples of "nations" and their soul types according to Sufism and Kabbalah (just to give an idea): For instance people born in Iraq are said to be souls with pure hearts, but as they were warriors in past lifetimes, in this life, no matter how innocent and friendly they are, people will attack them, betray them, fool them etc., it's their karma. Whereas people born in Scandinavia or moving to live in Scandinavia are souls which are to learn about mental organisation and structure, but their challenge is that they become "removed" from life itself. Instead of efficiency and excellence, they become robotic and out of touch with life itself, hence the epidemic of mental ilness, unhappy families etc. People born in the Carribean Islands are people who are naturally grounded, relaxed, at ease, in contact with the physical body, enjoy life naturally, but their challenge is that they become overtaken by sexual pleasure and rivalry too much. Like that the "karmic scripts" of different races, cultures and nations are said to be a hint from Almighty God about ourselves and how to best correct our karma.

Just saw your mention of "True Will", are you by any chance involved with the Diamond Approach or Diamond Logos?

@Kasper Yes, I feel like he changed after his wife died, understandably. I also feel he might have grown dis-illusioned with his lifestyle. So I feel he tried "the american way", got some plastic surgery done, trying to max out his money and get rich, just trying new things instead of "being himself". And yes, the over-commercialization is definitely a big part there too. He's kind of root-less, "in-between" Chinese and American culture, growing up with war and survival, social prestige, money and power being number 1, then the American society with competition, crushing rivals, free sexuality etc. Maybe he's a bit lost now in his old age after his wife died and his kids don't really want to see him, because he himself is between cultures and so are his kids. Also the "pressure" to live up to a certain image as a qigong guru, the whole "image" vs reality, this is something I felt a lot with all the people in his organisation. Anyway, at the end of the day he's just a human being like the rest of us, struggling with the challenges that come with being a human being on this planet.

Hey Kasper, Thanks for your suggestion! I actually paid enormeous amounts to get a bunch of one-on-ones with him, but alas, he said pretty much straight to my face he wasn't powerful enough to stop the black magic. And the things he suggested I was to do myself didn't work, even though I paid so much damn money, again, and again, and again, for many sessions. It really, really hurt financially and in my heart to go through that, and just feel he personally didn't care at all, he wasn't powerful enough to help, and he honestly just wanted to convert me to weekly revenue so he could get more money, even though he didn't help nor care about me. And the amount per session was honestly obscene compared to what you got Of all the gurus I went to, he demanded the largest amount of money, yet he helped me the least, and personally cared the least. It was devastating, heart breaking, honestly. Because he seems so friendly and caring on all his videos and in front of the crowds during the public classes, but on a person-to-person basis, personally, that's just not his true personality He was one of the "qigong healers/masters" I mentioned in my very first long post, at that time I just didn't want to name him, but now that you yourself bring it up, I realize it's just a matter of fact, it's just the truth, that's just what happened, no reason to hide it Like I said, the hindu and sufis I went to charged no money, yet they helped me the most, personally cared, and actually helped me the best they could It was a huge let down personally to go through, I really trusted him

@Lala Nila African Voodoo is pretty much just like any shamanistic tradition world wide, it's all the same. It's almost identical to hinduism, qigong and daoism as well. There's life force animating the universe, we should be in harmony with that, and magic is simply working with this life force as well as the ancestors, spirits and Gods. Thanks for sharing about your javanese connection, very interesting! Yes, all the ancestor energy is present in our physical body, and some of them might even be following us and helping us daily or just from time to time. Some stories about my grandfather. He was a typical "caribbean man" in the sense that he had a baby mama everywhere, children in Haiti we didn't know about, in the US with a different woman, 4 kids with 3 different women here in Scandinavia, 2 in Ireland with another women, and God knows how many else spread across the globe. He didn't really know his father, but was close with his mother. However his mother died when he was just 7, so he was sent to live with distant relatives in the US. Since that time his mom would come in his dreams and give him life guidance and messages. As he was a very free spirit who liked to travel here and there, suddenly we wouldn't hear from him for 6 months to a year, but suddenly he would call and warn us of a dream he had. And everytime it came true. E.g. employees stealing money from my dad's business, my dad's relationship breaking (divorce from my mom), my dad's relationship about to break with his new girlfriend, he would call and give the dream warnings about what was about to happen. But my dad is quite the rebel, also because my grandfather wasn't there for him so much when he was younger, so he never listened to the advice. Once my grandfather didn't have money, his mother came in a dream and gave him the numbers to the lottery, and he won using those numbers. Once he used to hang out in a boxing gym when my dad was young and on the national team. They were 3-4 old retired guys, just coming for the hang out daily. My grandfather was one of them. My dad was a fighter. One morning on the bus, my grandfather ran into one of the other old guys. They were chatting just like normal on the bus. However once they reached the gym, the other guy didn't get off. My grandfather thought it was super weird. He told my grandfather to tell the others, that he was doing well but he wasn't coming in, he was going somewhere else. When he arrived and met my dad and the other old guys, he passed the message. The old guys were shocked and got tears in their eyes, because that guy from the bus had died during the night. So it was his soul that came to my grandfather, as my grandfather was the only one who could see and hear him. I could go on and on, there are so many more stories, also my own personal stories of dreams!

Yes, 100%. I know for sure the power of my African ancestors. My grandfather (who’s now passed away, God rest his soul) had incredible dream powers naturally, though he never cultivated in any way, shape or form. These have been passed on to my father, me and my cousins too, albeit not as strong. But in all the Hindu and Daoist rituals I’ve done for ancestors, the power in the African side is immense! I get incredible dreams and visions, and it’s always of the African side. They were of course connected to Voodoo, which doesn’t need to be dark, it’s just a connection to ancestors, life force of nature and the universe, as well as spirits ofc. I have so many stories to share about this 😁 Tell me more about your Javanese connection 🙏🏼

Thanks for sharing! Btw, if you don’t mind me asking, what’s your age, nationality and country of residence? You seem very well informed about these occult things on the Asian scene (eg what you said about the prices for different services, magical warfare in the East etc). Just to understand your context better. Just to share my own info so it’s equal, I’m 33, I’m mixed race, 25% African, 15% Eastern European and 60% Scandinavian. I live in Scandinavia now, but have lived in the US, Africa, Switzerland and India too