MIchael80

Hi! The rainbow body happens also in ancient neidan approach (and some other lineages).... and very simply means that even the physical body is just karma and as that karma is clearerd the physical body disolves. If, from that point of view a corpse is still there not all karma (that made up the physical entity) has been eliminated. This is actually a natural process of waking up to awareness (often called true nature) IF there is no fixation happening on the formless and thereby blocking the natural further purification. It speeds up if the source of awareness is realized (the source of the source...so to say) ... which is relativly rare these days because awareness/true nature feels very final. In ancient neidan the elixir is the merging of xing and ming (soul and life battery) or said differently ..the merging of the most primordial Yin Yang split that there is. This results in what is called awakening (to awareness/true nature) and earth immortality. The fetus matures out of the elixir....into the yangshen. (Disolution of the physical body happens after the yangshen is mature). In Tibet buddhism there is no elixir but also a divine body which comes in the completion stage of highest yoga tantra. This body is called "illusory body" (there is also a practice with that name....i am talking about the phenomena). There is an imature form called "impure illusory body " and a mature form called "pure illusory body". That is similiar but not the same as the matured fetus (yangshen).

Hi! Why do you think he stopped doing that?

The others are right. AND manipura is the 3rd chakra not a dantien. Dantien and chakras are not the same. Best

Yes it is very dangerous! That is why lineage is of utmost importance. The results of correct use and preperation are astounding. It is actually the same process as internal alchemy just with external means.

Anshino23 is right. These things are not openly discussed .... as with all ming related stuff. While there are countless alchemical pills for almost every stage of the inner process even more rare is the actual wei dan (external elixir). It is called philosophers stone in europe. Some daoist sects still make it, the Tamil siddhas also still make it and in india are some mercury lineages that have survived. It can be a liquid or an actual stone (red to purple in color). It totally transforms the physical form and consciousness when taken regulary. One must be highly prepared for this process as it is an extremely hard, brutal and painful one. If the energy body is open taken it one time seems fine....it is like an extrem "high" because of the system not being able to handle it...but the understanding of everything is indescribable and very different from usuall awakening. In india the theory is that mercury is the seed of shiva and the first step is to use sulphur to detox the mercury.

Thanks! I heard that too....but i also was told that they live longer because women stop bleeding during menopause hence they loss less yuan jing as men (where semen production never stops)

Hi freeform! Why did the female alchemists say that slaying the red dragon is not for women in society? best Michael

Wrote an pm. :-)

Well the philosophers stone is Material....it is the external elixir (as oppossed to the internal elixir). Ancient neidan schools still make it. Indian schools also...like the Tamil Siddhas and there are schools that have it their main focus. It can come in 2 forms: as a stone (red or purple in color)....or as a liquid. Both boost the shen to unimaginable levels (hence philosophers) keep the body young and very long lasting.

We have to be careful as to not mix terma too much or some truths are lost. The philosophers stone in alchemical work is an actual stone or a liquid depending on the tradition..... actual substances and neidan schools which have the ancient approach offen have methods to produce it. There are also secret schools in india still teaching it. To make it is the same process as in neidan but with certain physical substances. It is very dangerous to make it without a teacher but it is real and an incredible thing to use. I think it is very good to look at the similiarities between Systems but also at the same time at the differences because not all have the same goal.

English is not my first language...and i am not sure if i understand you correctly. But yeah there is a lot of similiarity of the practices of different traditions, Systems etc. It was not until i had access to these ancient neidan that i saw that it is to a certain extend different to most of the other practices out there. Merging of oposing energies is done in a variety of traditions though only within the Energy body and not the causal. And the replenishment of ming is of course not widely spread but seems to be present to some extend in the Tamil siddha tradition and in external alchemy as well.

Good! :-) As i said i critisize these kind of texts even though i find them interesting to a certain extend. I tried to provide knowledge from within these schools and how they frame it which is different from scholary Interpretation.

I am not good with the history but what i was taught is that the System that i called ancient neidan (and was not called neidan at that time)is very old and that Lao Tze and the yellow emperor practiced that (method of the first emperors ...is the Name giving to that). And this System of the first emperors is the most powerful and complete. But it is not taught publicly anywhere. The russians seem to have it but only teach it to higher teachers within their schools.

Well i do not know what you want from me? You appear triggered to me. I explained these old neidan Systems to the best of my ability and not spirituality in general. If you want to do that fine but the topic is xing ming and elixir. And they have certain terms and definition of these and i use them. Xing is not true nature ... dao is...xing is pre heaven yin. I am familiar with highest yoga tantra and a little of other tantric Systems and several yoga Systems (kriya, kundalini, laya) I think i said what these neidan schools term pre heaven is causal in yoga. Best.

Hi! Well there is a lot under the umbrella of "neidan " . However what the russians termed ancient neidan seems to be one method but with different practices. Later neidan seems to be different from this ancient approach. I am not saying this is good or bad or real or not real neidan....just that the approach is different. In this ancient approach there is no xing first...only xin first and then ming and xing (ancient northern) and ming first (ancient southern) then xing. Xing is yuan shen which these schools actually call soul and ming is yuan jing/ chi. ( till puberty this is one Energy with the onset of puberty it becomes yuan jing and yuan chi). From my perspective these ancient neidan is a unique approach and cannot be compared to tantra, yoga etc. These yuan energies (xing and ming = preheaven Yin and Yang) are the first split in the dao to produce something individual. In these schools one does not awaken to the dao but "returns or repairs the dao" within a person which results in realization of the dao (non duality) by fixing this primordial split. In tantra, yoga there is no pre heaven method one only works with energies within the body. Using Hindu/yoga terminology i would say that pre-heaven energies work in the causal body as opposed to the Energy body. Xing and ming (pre heaven Yin and Yang are united which creates the elixir) ( that is the stage of chi to shen).Then the elixir developes further/matures on its own but can be supported with methods in that maturing. No book etc. about ancient neidan has been written but i hope that changes. :-)