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  1. Damo Mitchell? tell me what you think

    Hi! The rainbow body happens also in ancient neidan approach (and some other lineages).... and very simply means that even the physical body is just karma and as that karma is clearerd the physical body disolves. If, from that point of view a corpse is still there not all karma (that made up the physical entity) has been eliminated. This is actually a natural process of waking up to awareness (often called true nature) IF there is no fixation happening on the formless and thereby blocking the natural further purification. It speeds up if the source of awareness is realized (the source of the source...so to say) ... which is relativly rare these days because awareness/true nature feels very final. In ancient neidan the elixir is the merging of xing and ming (soul and life battery) or said differently ..the merging of the most primordial Yin Yang split that there is. This results in what is called awakening (to awareness/true nature) and earth immortality. The fetus matures out of the elixir....into the yangshen. (Disolution of the physical body happens after the yangshen is mature). In Tibet buddhism there is no elixir but also a divine body which comes in the completion stage of highest yoga tantra. This body is called "illusory body" (there is also a practice with that name....i am talking about the phenomena). There is an imature form called "impure illusory body " and a mature form called "pure illusory body". That is similiar but not the same as the matured fetus (yangshen).
  2. Damo Mitchell? tell me what you think

    Hi! Why do you think he stopped doing that?
  3. Moving Dan Tian shortens life?

    The others are right. AND manipura is the 3rd chakra not a dantien. Dantien and chakras are not the same. Best
  4. Wai Dan

    Yes it is very dangerous! That is why lineage is of utmost importance. The results of correct use and preperation are astounding. It is actually the same process as internal alchemy just with external means.
  5. Wai Dan

    Anshino23 is right. These things are not openly discussed .... as with all ming related stuff. While there are countless alchemical pills for almost every stage of the inner process even more rare is the actual wei dan (external elixir). It is called philosophers stone in europe. Some daoist sects still make it, the Tamil siddhas also still make it and in india are some mercury lineages that have survived. It can be a liquid or an actual stone (red to purple in color). It totally transforms the physical form and consciousness when taken regulary. One must be highly prepared for this process as it is an extremely hard, brutal and painful one. If the energy body is open taken it one time seems fine....it is like an extrem "high" because of the system not being able to handle it...but the understanding of everything is indescribable and very different from usuall awakening. In india the theory is that mercury is the seed of shiva and the first step is to use sulphur to detox the mercury.
  6. Jing: Living as Conservation

    Thanks! I heard that too....but i also was told that they live longer because women stop bleeding during menopause hence they loss less yuan jing as men (where semen production never stops)
  7. Jing: Living as Conservation

    Hi freeform! Why did the female alchemists say that slaying the red dragon is not for women in society? best Michael
  8. Well the philosophers stone is Material....it is the external elixir (as oppossed to the internal elixir). Ancient neidan schools still make it. Indian schools also...like the Tamil Siddhas and there are schools that have it their main focus. It can come in 2 forms: as a stone (red or purple in color)....or as a liquid. Both boost the shen to unimaginable levels (hence philosophers) keep the body young and very long lasting.
  9. We have to be careful as to not mix terma too much or some truths are lost. The philosophers stone in alchemical work is an actual stone or a liquid depending on the tradition..... actual substances and neidan schools which have the ancient approach offen have methods to produce it. There are also secret schools in india still teaching it. To make it is the same process as in neidan but with certain physical substances. It is very dangerous to make it without a teacher but it is real and an incredible thing to use. I think it is very good to look at the similiarities between Systems but also at the same time at the differences because not all have the same goal.
  10. English is not my first language...and i am not sure if i understand you correctly. But yeah there is a lot of similiarity of the practices of different traditions, Systems etc. It was not until i had access to these ancient neidan that i saw that it is to a certain extend different to most of the other practices out there. Merging of oposing energies is done in a variety of traditions though only within the Energy body and not the causal. And the replenishment of ming is of course not widely spread but seems to be present to some extend in the Tamil siddha tradition and in external alchemy as well.
  11. Good! :-) As i said i critisize these kind of texts even though i find them interesting to a certain extend. I tried to provide knowledge from within these schools and how they frame it which is different from scholary Interpretation.
  12. I am not good with the history but what i was taught is that the System that i called ancient neidan (and was not called neidan at that time)is very old and that Lao Tze and the yellow emperor practiced that (method of the first emperors ...is the Name giving to that). And this System of the first emperors is the most powerful and complete. But it is not taught publicly anywhere. The russians seem to have it but only teach it to higher teachers within their schools.
  13. Well i do not know what you want from me? You appear triggered to me. I explained these old neidan Systems to the best of my ability and not spirituality in general. If you want to do that fine but the topic is xing ming and elixir. And they have certain terms and definition of these and i use them. Xing is not true nature ... dao is...xing is pre heaven yin. I am familiar with highest yoga tantra and a little of other tantric Systems and several yoga Systems (kriya, kundalini, laya) I think i said what these neidan schools term pre heaven is causal in yoga. Best.
  14. Hi! Well there is a lot under the umbrella of "neidan " . However what the russians termed ancient neidan seems to be one method but with different practices. Later neidan seems to be different from this ancient approach. I am not saying this is good or bad or real or not real neidan....just that the approach is different. In this ancient approach there is no xing first...only xin first and then ming and xing (ancient northern) and ming first (ancient southern) then xing. Xing is yuan shen which these schools actually call soul and ming is yuan jing/ chi. ( till puberty this is one Energy with the onset of puberty it becomes yuan jing and yuan chi). From my perspective these ancient neidan is a unique approach and cannot be compared to tantra, yoga etc. These yuan energies (xing and ming = preheaven Yin and Yang) are the first split in the dao to produce something individual. In these schools one does not awaken to the dao but "returns or repairs the dao" within a person which results in realization of the dao (non duality) by fixing this primordial split. In tantra, yoga there is no pre heaven method one only works with energies within the body. Using Hindu/yoga terminology i would say that pre-heaven energies work in the causal body as opposed to the Energy body. Xing and ming (pre heaven Yin and Yang are united which creates the elixir) ( that is the stage of chi to shen).Then the elixir developes further/matures on its own but can be supported with methods in that maturing. No book etc. about ancient neidan has been written but i hope that changes. :-)
  15. Great discussion! And i really like the title of the topic....the merging of xing and ming is indeed the start of the Golden elixir, but then needs further developement. I personally find those articles based on neidan texts are little tiring because these texts are purposefully coded as to not make any sense to people not in the practice system of the author. And methods have never been written down and that is why the ming gong stuff is still not in the public.
  16. Taoist Celestial Eye - Dzogchen Thogal

    Hi! Sorry but this daoist technique, as far as i understand has nothing in common with thöghal. Spirit light, seen through the celestial eye is something different than thöghal. Thöghal is a meditation technique done with open eyes. It uses natural phenomena (looking below the Sun, sky Meditation or dark retreat)to trigger certain energetic changes.....basically a kind of open eyed samadhi. Where one progresses through the so called thöghal visions, which are manifestations of the structure of reality (how the 5 elements work together to form this reality). Hope that helps. All the best! Michael
  17. Skeleton Meditations

    Hi! Well maybe a short overview over different forms of this Meditation. What are the most powerful forms. Maybe some links etc. Thanks in advance! :-) Michael
  18. Skeleton Meditations

    Could you share some more ?
  19. Xing and Ming cultivation

    Hi! I will define full method first. Schools that have the methods to replenish considerably amounts of yuan jing/chi. (there are schools that think this is impossible and some that have weakened forms of this, meaning they can replenish some but it is extremely time consuming or has a high chance of producing problems etc.) because if you have the knowledge of these methods it shapes how one approaches the rest of the practice. Three i know: the 2 schools that the russians represent (yuxian pai and wuliu pai.....interesting here is that there are branches of wuliu who do not have a full ming method; these 2 schools have extremly strong ming methods)...and a private (mountain) longmen lineage where i have trained in. There are some other more private lineages in china that still have that (i have heard that Zhang Boduans lineage is still alive and has very powerful ming methods). I would guess that Wang Lipings system has some of that (Nathan Brine will put out a series of books beginning in Feburary 2020 so we can see this system) quianfengpai has some of that (the lineage from which the famous "taoist yoga" book comes...which is just a part of an manual of that school). another guess would be that Li Shifu from 5 immortals temple knows some of that too. best
  20. Xing and Ming cultivation

    Hi! Problem with this understanding is that it reflects modern daoist understanding. In neidan schools with full method it makes no sense. So i will write from that view.(not many daoists schools still have real ming methods today). Qi gong is not a ming method. Ming is yuan jing/yuan chi the life battery and it can only be replenished with alchemical methods. Because these are pre-heaven energies (another name for pre-heaven would be pre-creational) and they cannot be accessed with qi gong. the qi /life force is post heaven (or within creation). MIng is not in the ldt but somehow ascociated (as these energies are before creation) with it and the kidneys. Xing is yuan shen in neidan. It is ascociated with the Upper dantien. what is in the heart is the xin (not xing) the heart nature. Xing will express itself through the heart though. There can not be a real xing first in neidan......but ming must always come first because of how the neidan process works (it is one process only but with very different approaches from one school/lineage to another). In neidan xing cannot be realised until ming is replenished and flowing. It is said some schools do xing first, but that is usually more a xin first (clearing the heart mind) before doing ming and then xing. You cannot realise the xing fully (as it is understood in orthodox neidan lineages) without ming...just not possible. In fact there are neidan lineages which are constant ming gong (which automatically leads to xing realisation and achievement of dao)....this means that is a system of constant doing and when one is done....there is automatic wuwei. True alchemy works with mechanisms that are not used in other spiritual tradtions and because of that cannot be compared to them. In orthodox neidan lineages there is usually nothing like sitting meditation. There maybe sitting exercises but they usually involve hand movements etc.....just silent sitting is used in neidan forms that usually do not have the full method or it is used in very high stages (after the elixir is achieved). hope that helps! All the best! Michael
  21. Jing-Qi-Shen vs. Shen based cultivation systems

    I was initiated into XYP in 2016.......never lost conncection with the FFS......but they changed as i requested to be trained differently than the common XYP road. I have heard some have seemed to have lost the connection to the ffs but no nothing in more detail. But to me it makes sense that xians do not train all people forever....so when they are not ripe enough they may turn away from them after a certain time. I wanted to learn real alchemy and XYP is not that.....it works basically like Effie says.....but that is not real alchemy. (real alchemy is very rare!) And i am not saying that XYP is bad or anything like that...but not real alchemy. I am hestitant to talk about real alchemy here though i have from time to time because i do not want to be put into the same corner as the russians (who have real alchemy schools)....though i try not to be so boasty as them. (i have no connection to them). But they were right in regards to neidan with full alchemical principle.....and since no book today shows this full principle it is hard to discuss this subject. Also no teacher i am aware of teaches this full alchemical method beside a hidden longmen lineage, the 2 schools which the russians have a branch of and maybe a teacher in Belgium. There is in my understanding no shen alone approach.......one could say that systems like Transcendental Meditation is but they try to reach samadhi which is all encompassing......shen only would mean you just sit and do nothing do reach deeper states of mediation. One could say that vajrayana is shen mostly in the beginning with its lots of visualizations...but they also use body techniques....and later of course tummo (inner fire, which works with chi and jing...here they call the jing drops). Maybe some Zen schools are mostly what could be called shen ...but they also want to reach samadhi like states (which is beyond shen)......but they do not look at the body .....so this could be what you mean. Basic buddhist meditations could be described as shen (vipassana) only........but even there samadhi is goal. What is described here as jing, qi, shen is post heaven approach in chinese systems (in indian system you start with chi, the body is often incoorperated but no work with the jing directly)...aka nei gong. Body work alone is not jing.....it has a healthy effect on body and the jing....but it is not jing work. For this we need the nei gong work that Dammo describes so beautifully. In alchemy the body is prepared but jing, qi, shen in alchemy partains to the yuan forms of these energies which are pre-heaven (before creation) so alchemy it is not about body, chi, mind, as one works with energies which are already beyond the mind but are ascociated with the body. best
  22. Jing-Qi-Shen vs. Shen based cultivation systems

    Really like that! .......that is a high level teaching!
  23. Difference between jing and qi ?

    Hi! Jing is what makes the body........chi is what moves it. Like a candle......jing is the wax....and chi is the flame. There are also pre-heaven forms of jing and chi (which are only worked with in alchemy) .......and post-heaven forms (which are worked with in qi gong, nei-gong, all energy based work etc.). Not ejaculating at all is going against the functions of the body and is harmful to the spirit in the longer run. If you have problems with sex (by either wanting to masturbate/ejaculate constantly ..or totally feeling repelled by it) you should release the blockages that cause such unbalanced behaviour. Changing jing to chi...is actually a term from alchemy...but here it is used in the post heaven realm. There are ways to bring the jing energy back to the kidneys....but as i said ...better to heal the unbalanced aspects of our sexuality. best
  24. Jing to Qi - a Technical Question

    They were active here on the forum from roughly 2012 to 2017. They have a school in Russia with several branches there and also Australia. they teach the only 2 Schools with full alchemical principle outside of china.....which are yuxian pai and a branch of wuliu pai. One cannot learn Wuliu if not a russian and living near their school....but one can be taught yuxian pai through skype and retreats in russia. Some of them were more active others less. One of them was very active here ..with the name of opendao (a teacher in the yuxian school). Because they had the knowledge of schools with full alchemical principle they were not shy to "expose" the schools and thoughts wich do not have this knowledge (which is basically every modern school and book about neidan on the market). They just labeled their teaching neidan and stated that all the others are not real neidan. Which from a certain point of view is right but misses the point (see my other posts for this). As you can guess this resulted in lots of heated discussions and they were not liked much here. They have stopped posting here a while ago but you can find these threads through the search function (just type in opendao for ex.). You can contact them through: forum.daode.ru it is a russian speaking forum with an english section. All the best