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#161 SeekerOfHealing

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Posted 17 November 2016 - 01:34 AM

There is some way to recognition what type of initiation I could have or force which moves me similar ways to your school? I do not need proofs as I can see and I can tell that's this school is legit. The most important thing is that this school do not force you or have rules for you to become spiritual freak. I like being normal, eating my meat and living life like regular person (in middle way of course), like working no need to worry to sit in cave and detach from society - but that's maybe me because I can handle it well without much fuss I also like chan/zen approach to this also that true chan/zen is in society no in cave like Hakuin said. In Wu Liu Pai to attain yang shen you need to have some people to pamper you in cave, bring you food and "face the wall". Looking at it from realistic view... most people will not attain it that way. Effi I respect you too much to do such experiments and stuff like this. I'm not refuse but it's not matter of trust. Most of schools here are secretive and hiding from results and only look down on people - here is black on white everything clear and pristine. The only thing which gives me now second thoughts it's if my initiation can bother with Xiao Yao Pai initiation or they overlay each other.
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Posted 17 November 2016 - 10:23 AM

@Seeker

 

I appreciate that. Although I have to be frank, I don't personally entertain the notion of "belief" without direct experiential and empirical "proof"; something that you can observe happening in the present and that you can test for yourself, but I do understand from your previous posts that your confidence in us is borne from your due diligence and the research you've conducted to dispel your doubts - so as much as I can, I will try to respect that.

 

Forgive my presumption, but nevertheless, I would imagine that these proofs you experienced, while on some intellectual level are satisfying, still might have been be in the form of texts, manuscripts or someone else's opinions, which are not yet the moon itself, but only the finger pointing to it - so I hope that one day we will meet & you can have a definitive confirmation.

 

Thank you for your kind words.  ^_^


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Posted 17 November 2016 - 12:26 PM

The only thing which gives me now second thoughts it's if my initiation can bother with Xiao Yao Pai initiation or they overlay each other.

 

It's no problem at all, one of this months newly initiated actually shared this testimonial that you might be able to relate to. They were initiated through shaktipath and had been practising for over 12 years under a Buddhist school.

 

Their transition to Xiao Yao Pai has been flawless.

It doesn't matter what you practised previously, what your race is, what your sex is or what your religion is.

 

The only barrier is the mind. If it is polluted by belief systems, dogma and concepts and your cup is full and overflowing during initiation, then Hu Fa Shen may take more time to focus on your mind first. If you continue to practice regularly, you will feel all your prejudice washing away gently, and you will feel happier and less disturbed by people and their personal or public lives. You will essentially embody the "Xiao Yao" nature of our school. Everyone who practises Xian Tian Dao Yin Shu gradually becomes Xiao Yao and overflowing with childlike energy and joy. It is a very common reaction among Dao Yu.

 

Hu Fa Shen can see us on all levels, physical, subtle energy, mind and soul - so they always know how to approach our refinement for our highest benefit. Since we came out of seclusion and opened our doors to the public in the early 70s, we've initiated over 140,000 Dao Yu who all cultivate in the comfort of their homes under the guidance of their Hu Fa Shen; none has ever expressed a physical, energetic or spiritual incompatibility with the curriculum of our celestial branch as transmitted by Hu Fa Shen. The only incompatibility is that of the acquired mind; their conditioning and beliefs vs the non-discriminative and formless nature of our teachings.

 

If you feel that we are too open after you begin to practice and the formations of your mind cannot fit in with our way. You can face Tai Shang and make an official request to dissolve the apprenticeship. End of story.

 

We have no dogma, prohibitions or books to indoctrinate you into anyway of thinking. Our educational approach is formless to reflect the emptiness of Wuji.

 

If you form your mind and attach your awareness to that concept, it will be trapped inside Taiji (physical realm) and it cannot vibrate high enough to exit it and enter Wuji (non-physical realm) - because the mysterious gate of Wuji to which Hu Fa Shen gently guides our awareness, can only be passed when the awareness learns to disassociate itself from impermanent physical phenomena and begins to awaken and embraces its original formless state. Then it is like the awareness synchronises with the frequency of the mysterious pass and suddenly it appears. If we dwell here, the whole spirit will be enveloped with divine energy like a cocoon, which will of itself transform it into the radiant spirit of the immortal body; this is Yang Shen. It is a gradual process of refinement, so we must practice daily with Hu Fa Shen so he can guide and enhance our transformation : )


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Posted 19 November 2016 - 06:44 AM

I'd like to give a basic view from the Xiao Yao Pai perspective on how we "see" Daoist literature and how we separate it from Spiritual Daoism as opposed to strictly Philosophical and Religious practice.

 

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Posted 31 December 2016 - 05:07 AM

I read complete tread about Xiao Yao Pai and in the past other treads related to it.

It is no doubt that XYP is interesting school and have interesting methods.

Also I have long personal conversations with western students of XYP and Indonesian members and Masters of XYP.After few years I have some picture of it and made my personal reaserch.There are some questions and contraversies which rise I think because of interpretations that are given from western students and their wish to present XYP in the best light and not maybe in clear picture.

I see that terminology used evolved by time to.

This is not criticism nor attack but my opinion with the best intetions with hope that we can find answers.

 

First I didnt find clues that XYP is part of Zheng Yi.On Long Hu Shan and Taiwan seat of Zheng Yi they dont know for XYP.Even grade structure and titles of XYP is not the same.What is more strange is that XYP dont have Shang Qing on altar but along Tai Shang Lao Jun they have Buddhist and Confucian statues so very sincretistic.

XYP have ritual in Temple and use of Talismans,Mantra and Hand seals and I hear have Spirit Lu registers which we can say is like Zheng Yi but I cant be sure on which level.

 

I also didnt find paper in Bai Yun Guan(seat of Quanzhen) which mention XYP,and I speak with Longmen Pai, and San Feng Pai and Wudang Pai on Wudang Shan who also dont know about XYP.

 

Tai Shang Men is clan and this means there are more Pai among them,but I didnt be able to find who are this Pai along XYP who belong to TSM?

 

XYP dont provide its history and lineage which is important.They say this is not important because they are Celestial lineage.Ahhh all are Celestial even Tian Shi Pai,Shang Qing Pai and Zhong Lu Pai....and many others who all give detailed lineage.XYP have Grand Master and other Master initiators so this are real people who initiate and this mean lineage,but they prefere to forgett this and say important is teacher and thus Hu Fa Shen who changed name because before it was called Fu Fak Shen.

Regarding Fu Fak Shen I dont belive it is Yang Shen,beacuse this means that there are some 140.000 + Xians who teach.Do you think it is posible?

I cant be sure that it is even Yin Shen,but others told me this can be case, which is more probable.I have my personal opinion and this is that on initiation Master activate Shen......precisly Yuan Shen of student and start to move Yuan Qi which we see as movements in Shen Gong.

Regarding lineage I think it is not ok to say it is not important,but on first page here to say that Hunag Di recived Dao Yin Shu from Guang Cheng Zi and founded first Temple of XYP......so this imply starting of genealogy.Do you see this contradictions?

I look in Daozhang and there is no single mention that Huang Di recived Dao Yin Shu from Guang Cheng Zi.Huang Di recived Wai Dan(laboratory alchemy) and pair sexual cultivation from various Masters.So this can be only oral legend about mythical figures in XYP only.

Dao Yin Shu and Yang Sheng are good and Nei Dan for sure have elements of it when it is formed in late VIII century,but Dao Yin Shu and Yang Sheng are Hout Tian and not Xian Tian.I know XYP now(but not before few years) mentioned that DYS is Xian Tian which for me is not true.How some can prove it?Just say it is Xian Tian have no value,vecause Yuan states cant be percepted at all.

Also Dao Yin Shu is just basic and start ,and cant be the  only practice nor it can made Yang Shen.I belive there must be other practices in higher degrees of XYP which can produce posibly Yang Shen.Is there such practice?

Problem is started when western students of XYP try to explain system with Nei Dan terms,but I know that XYP dont teach Nei Dan nor they replenish Jing and Qi.So how is to fuse Yin Shen with Yuan Jing and Yuan Qi precisly if you neglect to replenish it?

XYP work on Shen and from Shen go in natural wordly way to Qi and Jing,and we all know what classic say that true way is reversal and not wordly way of manifestation.Working on Shen only with no Yuan Qi to fuse you made just Yin Shen.Yang Shen is made from yang and this yang come from Ming Gong so again contradiction by western members interpretation and I belive Indonesian Masters dont claim that Dao Yin Shu is Xian Tian,nor that XYP work Nei Dan nor that it form Yang Shen.Maybe we can see original books of the school and  how they explain its doctrine?

 

Because XYP is manifested in the world in 1970,this time is interesting because in that time also we see Mo Pai who also have similar practices and it also dont show lineage nor history and it is on Indonesia to.What I find interesting is that such practices are more close to Tenaga Dalam(Tridaya) from Indonesia to which is added Daoist history of origin.In modern Indonesia mostly Muslims work Ilmu Khodan and Tenaga Dalam(Tridaya).

 

To better explain how it is similar here I am to post one ritual which I think is pretty similar to XYP initiation ceremony:

 

The Arts Of Soul Awakening (啟靈學)
 

This art of soul awakening is made popular by one of Taiwanese cult religious group in 80’s and perhaps still active today under the disguise of Tantric Buddhism. It parallels the practice of Japanese Dairindo, the Indonesian Tenaga Dalam, the Taoist auto martial arts and some of Chinese Chi Gong exercises; but with some spiritual elements introduced.

 

A word of caution

 

I won’t want to encourage practicing this exercise alone without guidance because without proper supervision, it is extremely easy to be intruded by spirits wandering about. For example, the spirit of a pig may possess the body of the person and the consequence will be pretty bad. Many people gone into troubles and hurt themselves, so be ware.

 

Theory of soul awakening

 

There are many theories concerning this art, the gist of it is that when we are alive; our soul are imprisoned within the body. Our soul could be awaken and released from our body through prayer and the help of higher spiritual forces. Otherwise, this would be quite impossible when a person is still alive.

 

Medias of soul awakening

 

Basically one’s soul can be awakened through 3 intermediaries:

 

·         Gods/goddesses

·         Spirits

·         Guru

 

Prerequisites

 

·         One must be healthy.

·         One must be kind hearted.

·         One must be knowledgeable: not follow things blindly.

·         One must not be too engrossed in supernatural things.

·         One must be persistent, calm, fair and doing thing step wise.

 

The method

 

It is not difficult to practise soul awakening method; one only has to find a clean and bright place. He/She will need to sit with his/her back straight on a chair and with both hands in clasping/prayer position.

 

After that one only needs to pray for his/her patron gods/goddesses to help. It is also advisable to do a silent rhythm chant such as “o-mi-to-fo” etc. continuously as if in meditation for an hour or so.

 

Some people will feel his/her hands shaking at first and gradually dance or perform martial arts stunts. Proponents say the patron spirits are guiding the practitioners but I would not want to comment.

 

The description sounds easy, but the duration varies actually according to a person to another: it make take few days to six months or even longer to get some reaction.

 

The benefits

 

Benefits to awaken one’s soul:

 

·         A healthier body and mind

·         Obtain psychic powers

·         Foundation for other higher practices

 

The down side

 

The purpose of soul awakening exercise is to achieve self mastery on one’s soul. However, if one’s mind is not strong and other external spirits took control, then he/she may become a spirit medium instead. Once this situation happens, this person will never be able to spirits from possessing his/her body.

 

The conclusion

 

Soul awakening is not suitable for the superstitious or the weak minded. The person must be able to distinguish what is right or vice versa. Without wisdom, any simple exercises can proof dangerous to the ignorance.
 
 
This is for now,I have some more opinions and highly interesting findings related to origin of the school its practice and why they belive it is superior to Nei Dan, which I am to post another time.
 
I hope that XYP members are not to get me wrong because I personaly dont have anything against XYP but contrary I am interested in their method which maybe I am to try some day.

 

All the best.

 

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Posted 31 December 2016 - 07:29 AM

I'll try to keep it short.

 

I read complete tread about Xiao Yao Pai and in the past other treads related to it.

It is no doubt that XYP is interesting school and have interesting methods.

 

Maybe : )

 

Also I have long personal conversations with western students of XYP and Indonesian members and Masters of XYP.

 

Names?

 

After few years I have some picture of it and made my personal research.There are some questions and contraversies which rise I think because of interpretations that are given from western students and their wish to present XYP in the best light and not maybe in clear picture. 

 

It depends very much on who you speak to. Being initiated into XYP, doesn't make you an expert on XYP. That is why we have only a select few who represent us officially and internationally.

 

I see that terminology used evolved by time to.

 

The world keeps turning.

 

First I didn't find clues that XYP is part of Zheng Yi. On Long Hu Shan and Taiwan seat of Zheng Yi they dont know for XYP. 

 

It's strange then how they know us... If legitimation is your goal, then try a little harder.

 

I've mentioned this before about Zhengyi. We are now only affiliated with Zhengyi, that is to say we are not part of Zhengyi on paper anymore, because we chose to maintain our autonomy and govern how we spread our teachings, free from the overshadowing influence and long-term goals of particular national bodies. Many schools who were a part of Zhengyi before higher governing bodies got involved have opted for this status as a means to retain control over their traditions.

 

Even grade structure and titles of XYP is not the same.

 

Correct. Our is:

 

0: Dao Yu (道友)

Here HFS treats us like primary or elementary school students.

If we come across a steep ravine, HFS will help us by holding us up and making sure we don't get hurt.

 

1: Dao Shi (道仕)

Here HFS treats us like secondary school students.

If we come across a steep ravine, HFS will caution us, but we must carry ourselves and jump of our own accord if necessary

 

2: Dao Zhang (道张) - 2a, 2b, 2c.

Here HFS treats us like university students and we already have significant independence and maturity.

If we come across a steep ravine, we are expected to be able to see it ourselves and take the necessary actions.

At this level even if we fall, HFS just observes us and waits for us to take charge and get up.

 

3. Dao Zun (道尊)

Here HFS treats us like graduates from the university of life.

A this point, we are completely independent and on a level where we can work in union with HFS to help others on the most profound spiritual levels.

 

4. Dao Shi (道师)

Here we are granted the authority to represent Tai Shang Lao Jun as official representatives of the celestial realm. The Daoshi is authorised to delegate representation to those that reach Dao Zun level, so they can initiate others on their behalf.

 

What is more strange is that XYP dont have Shang Qing on altar but along Tai Shang Lao Jun they have Buddhist and Confucian statues so very sincretistic.

 

On our altars, that is if you even wish to have an altar, as it's not a necessity - we have: Tai Shang Lao Jun our Celestial head and his two Hufa; Er Lang Shen and Jiu Tian Xuan Nu : )

 

Confucianism didn't even exist during their time...

However, what you should also know is that a Buddhist is also a human and a spark of the Dao.

 

You better give Quanzhen a call about that and let them know how you really feel.

 

XYP have ritual in Temple and use of Talismans, Mantra and Hand seals and I hear have Spirit Lu registers which we can say is like Zheng Yi but I cant be sure on which level.

 

Doesn't matter to us really. We are not interested in legitimation by anyone or comparison. We stand on our own two feet.

 

I also didnt find paper in Bai Yun Guan (seat of Quanzhen) which mention XYP, and I speak with Longmen Pai, and San Feng Pai and Wudang Pai on Wudang Shan who also don't know about XYP.

 

Where is your proof?

 

Here's a picture of our Shifu initiating several priests in Quanzhen (Who you claim don't know us):

http://www.thedaobum...e-2#entry724348

 

As I say in that post, we have done the same for many other priests from many other of the main schools and yes, they all know us : )

 

I imagine that your claims of Longemen and Wudang are just as credible.......

Maybe you don't have the authority to get the answers you are asking for, or maybe they can "see" your heart : )

 

Tai Shang Men is clan and this means there are more Pai among them,but I didnt be able to find who are this Pai along XYP who belong to TSM? 

 

It's just Tai Shang Men Xiao Yao Pai.


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Posted 31 December 2016 - 07:30 AM

XYP dont provide its history and lineage which is important. They say this is not important because they are Celestial lineage. Ahhh all are Celestial even Tian Shi Pai, Shang Qing Pai and Zhong Lu Pai....and many others who all give detailed lineage.

 

Important to who?

How come our initiated students are practising, communicating with their Hu Fa Shen and making progress if it's important?

 

It's only important to those to whom it is important. To us it's not : )

We don't rely on the past, we rely on what we can do right now in the present and for that we have Xiantian Daoyin Shu and our initiation.

 

Those that cannot prove their art in the present, fall back on the words of the dead masters from the past to legitimate themselves...

 

Back in the day when most of the spiritual schools were under secrecy, students had to take an oath not to reveal the names of their masters. It was common for students under the same master to not know one another. So, we have no value in our tradition on finding out who was whose master. We are only concerned with whether the person we are learning from NOW, can actually help us in our progress. One more reason this matters even less, is that our education is received from our assigned Hu Fa Shen and not a human teacher.

 

My Hu Fa Shen is Jin Xiao Fa.

Now that you know, how does it help you? Can you find him?

 

Every school has it's way, we have ours.

We do not force anyone to learn from us. Those that are interested come and learn and benefit. That's it.

 

I'm actually only concerned with those that already walk through the door.

The other ones take too much of my time : )

 

XYP have Grand Master and other Master initiators so this are real people who initiate and this mean lineage, but they prefere to forgett this and say important is teacher and thus Hu Fa Shen who changed name because before it was called Fu Fak Shen.

 

The person who initiates you is not the one who teaches you.

So your teacher is your assigned Shen Xian or Tian Xian.

You can become initiated, then never meet your initiator again, you will progress just as well.

 

Fu Fak Shen IS Hu Fa Shen IS Fu Fa Shen.... SIGH*

You're grasping at straws buddy...

 

Regarding Fu Fak Shen I dont belive it is Yang Shen, beacuse this means that there are some 140.000 + Xians who teach. Do you think it is posible?

 

Of course it's possible. It is not only possible, it is that way, however you're misinformed here yet again.

Our Hu Fa Shen are Yang Shen, which means they can multiply their bodies infinitely.

 

One Hu Fa Shen can have countless students. It is the nature of Yang Shen.

 

I cant be sure that it is even Yin Shen, but others told me this can be case, which is more probable.

 

You won't know till you find out for yourself.

 

I have my personal opinion and this is that on initiation Master activate Shen......precisly Yuan Shen of student and start to move Yuan Qi which we see as movements in Shen Gong.

 

Wrong, but again you won't know it till you experience it.

If you ever get initiated, when you sit down and start having a conversation with your Hu Fa Shen, you can revise your reply.

 

He/She is an independent conscious being and not you. They have a name, a history, a personality and a life and every Hu Fa Shen and Xian is different.

 

Dao Yin Shu and Yang Sheng are good and Nei Dan for sure have elements of it when it is formed in late VIII century, but Dao Yin Shu and Yang Sheng are Hout Tian and not Xian Tian.

 

Dao Yin Shu that has lost the root of Divine Guidance from the Xian is Houtian.

Dao Yin Shu that has retained the root of Divine Guidance from the Xian is Xiantian.

 

There is a fundamental difference in the source of the energy used to trigger and maintain cultivation and the level of the teacher.

 

In one system the energy is coarse, in the other it is fine. 

In one system the teacher is an unrealised human, in the other it is a realised Xian.

 

Hence why we have XTDYS and HTDYS.

 

I know XYP now (but not before few years) mentioned that DYS is Xian Tian which for me is not true. How some can prove it?

 

At initiation, the disciple is assigned to their Hu Fa Shen, then all questions are automatically answered.

Once your teacher connects to you, begins moving you and communicating with you and you can feel their presence and touch, then questions of whether it's Yang Shen or not simply disappear.

 

Just say it is Xian Tian have no value, vecause Yuan states cant be percepted at all.

Also Dao Yin Shu is just basic and start, and cant be the  only practice nor it can made Yang Shen. 
I believe there must be other practices in higher degrees of XYP which can produce possibly Yang Shen.Is there such practice?

 

That's why we don't just say anything in XYP, we prove it through initiation, by backing up our words and connecting the student to a Xian from our school. We're not much for belief...

 

Our whole practise is called, Xiantian Dao Yin Shu. It consists of:

 

Xian Tian Shen Gong

Xian Tian Qi Gong

Xian Tian Jing Zuo

 

That's it. There are no higher practises : )

 

Problem is started when western students of XYP try to explain system with Nei Dan terms, but I know that XYP dont teach Nei Dan nor they replenish Jing and Qi. 

 

We teach the cultivation of Yang Shen, most people would call that Nei Dan or Jin Dan. You can call it anything you like. Butterfly Unicorn Immortal Body Art, if you want to. The name doesn't matter, only the effect.

 

We don't really actively do too much in XTDYS, most of our practice is Wuwei, so Shen, Qi and Jing all take care of themselves. It's the difference between XT and HT Xiulian. One is very Youwei for along time, while the other is very Wuwei from the start, but we manifest all the same results and others.


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Posted 31 December 2016 - 07:31 AM

So how is to fuse Yin Shen with Yuan Jing and Yuan Qi precisly if you neglect to replenish it?

 

Maybe have a read of these:

 

http://www.thedaobum...trine/?p=725813

http://www.thedaobum...acher/?p=727871

http://www.thedaobum...acher/?p=727858

 

XYP work on Shen and from Shen go in natural wordly way to Qi and Jing,and we all know what classic say that true way is reversal and not wordly way of manifestation.

 

Buddy, for someone who is relying solely on supposition here, I wouldn't speak so matter of factly.

Let me put you straight.

 

You say you have read all I've written, but you didn't pay much attention.

 

When we trigger our Yuan Shen, we begin to move into Wuji, but the primordial Qi which Hu Fa Shen bridges to us also steps down to nourish our Qi and Jing. It all happens simultaneously.

 

Working on Shen only with no Yuan Qi to fuse you made just Yin Shen. Yang Shen is made from yang and this yang come from Ming Gong so again contradiction by western members interpretation and I belive Indonesian Masters dont claim that Dao Yin Shu is Xian Tian, nor that XYP work Nei Dan nor that it form Yang Shen. 

 

You believe, you believe, you believe.... where is the actual proof?

We develop both Ming and Xing in XTDYS and Yang Shen. Please read up on my posts, I'm too lazy to repeat myself.

 

Please tell me who these Indonesian masters are so that I can have a word with them...

 

Maybe we can see original books of the school and  how they explain its doctrine?

 

We don't have a doctrine or dogma. Anything that is written in a book is just an opinion to us until we can prove it ourselves.

We carry out this investigation and motion towards proof by practising directly with different Hu Fa Shen and learning from them.

 

If you believe so STRONGLY in what another man wrote in a book several thousand years ago, that you use it as a yard stick for everything, how will you ever be able to exercise discretion in the presence of a Xian? 

 

You will fail immediately, because you put these figures on a pedestal.

 

Our Hu Fa Shen are always testing us and pushing us to cultivate our wisdom. You have to challenge Hu Fa Shen and learn and not simply take the information they give us as true, because they are Xian. This is antithetical to our ethos which emphasises the development of Wu.

 

We must develop our OWN wisdom and not follow the wisdom of others, whether they are dead or alive or immortal.

 

More about our relationship to HFS:

http://www.thedaobum...hread/?p=719356
http://www.thedaobum...hread/?p=719251

 

Because XYP is manifested in the world in 1970, this time is interesting because in that time also we see Mo Pai who also have similar practices and it also dont show lineage nor history and it is on Indonesia to. What I find interesting is that such practices are more close to Tenaga Dalam (Tridaya) from Indonesia to which is added Daoist history of origin. In modern Indonesia mostly Muslims work Ilmu Khodan and Tenaga Dalam (Tridaya).

 

Well you'll be happy to know that our Tao Yu are Daoists by practice and not Muslims.

Our initiation is similar to a baptism in Christianity if you will, so one officially becomes a Daoist under Taishang Laojun after they have been initiated. 

 

And a human body getting possessed by a pigs spirit? Really?

The Hun and Po configuration of an animal and that of a human are different.

The human spirit has additional aspects which that of an animal lacks that would prevent such a possession...

 

Further, Tridaya has nothing to do with Xiao Yao Pai.

 

Here's is a little about possessions, spirits, Yang Shen and all that.

http://www.thedaobum...chool/?p=723714

 

A member called FlowingHands already tried to take a swing at us with the 1970s angle and failed:

Here is more on that: http://www.thedaobum...rts-from-china/

 

My reply to those claims here: 

http://www.thedaobum...hread/?p=720068

 

To better explain how it is similar here I am to post one ritual which I think is pretty similar to XYP initiation ceremony:

 

Ok, lets have a look at these "similarities".

 

There are many theories concerning this art, the gist of it is that when we are alive; our soul are imprisoned within the body. Our soul could be awaken and released from our body through prayer and the help of higher spiritual forces. Otherwise, this would be quite impossible when a person is still alive.

 

In XYP we don't consider the soul to a be a prisoner of the body. This is a preposterous notion to us.

The soul is already awake and it cannot simply be released after it is as you say "awakened", it first needs a body; Yang Shen with which to become one; a body that can exist in Wuji.

 

So this has nothing to do with our school.

 

Prerequisites

 
·         One must be healthy.
·         One must be kind hearted.
·         One must be knowledgeable: not follow things blindly.
·         One must not be too engrossed in supernatural things.
·         One must be persistent, calm, fair and doing thing step wise.

 

We do not have such pre-requisites. One must simply be.


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Posted 31 December 2016 - 07:36 AM

It is not difficult to practise soul awakening method; one only has to find a clean and bright place. He/She will need to sit with his/her back straight on a chair and with both hands in clasping/prayer position.

 

We can practise XTDYS anywhere, anytime. The place does not matter.

 

After that one only needs to pray for his/her patron gods/goddesses to help. It is also advisable to do a silent rhythm chant such as “o-mi-to-fo” etc. continuously as if in meditation for an hour or so.

 

We don't chant in our school. That triggers the Shi Shen.

This is counterproductive to XTDYS.

 

Some people will feel his/her hands shaking at first and gradually dance or perform martial arts stunts.

Proponents say the patron spirits are guiding the practitioners but I would not want to comment.

 

I wouldn't want to comment either : )

 

·         A healthier body and mind

·         Obtain psychic powers
·         Foundation for other higher practices

 

We don't have another practice other than XTDYS.

 

The purpose of soul awakening exercise is to achieve self mastery on one’s soul. However, if one’s mind is not strong and other external spirits took control, then he/she may become a spirit medium instead. Once this situation happens, this person will never be able to spirits from possessing his/her body.

 

Not possible in our system. I've explained why on many occasions before and in extensive detail.

Please search through my posts.

 

This is for now, I have some more opinions and highly interesting findings related to origin of the school its practice and why they belive it is superior to Nei Dan, which I am to post another time.

 

I've never said that Xiantian Neidan is superior. It is however different.

 

How about you maybe stop with the opinions and trying to defame and smear our name and actually present some facts, instead of just beliefs?

 

I hope that XYP members are not to get me wrong because I personaly dont have anything against XYP but contrary I am interested in their method which maybe I am to try some day.

 

Of course I am getting you WRONG, everything you pretty much said IS, WRONG in relation to our school, so how about stop with the presumptions until you actually have some verifiable experience?

 

Either you are an official member of our school and have been educated properly or you are not part of our school and have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to our art. It can't be both....

 

I don't understand the mentality of people who have not experienced something, talking about it as if they have. Can someone explain the logic?


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Posted 31 December 2016 - 04:36 PM

Happy New Year to everyone! 

May the upcoming year of the Fire Rooster, galantly grace your goals and ambitions

and bring you much luck, health, prosperity and love. Tai Shang Bao Yu! : )

 

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