Don't worry be happy?

[old3bob]

15 hours ago, steve said:

 

I can't see how anything I described is evolution.

Feel free to explain.

The perfect and pure mind, otherwise known as Buddha-mind, does not evolve.

 

People like to say things like 'only the Self knows the Self,' in my tradition it is often referred to as "Self-awareness," but nevertheless the ones writing and talking about this stuff, teaching others, having realization, traversing the bardos, and engaging in practice are people. They are manifestations, expressions of the Self, not equivalent to the Self.

 

My teacher's teacher used to say, "Remember, we are not dzogchen, we are dzogchen-pa," -pa- referring to practitioner. Seeing yourself as "the Self" or the pure nature of mind, is an error, it denies our human form and related imperfections which color our experience, though they can be extremely subtle at times. This conflation leads to deviations in practice and understanding. 

 

This is just my experience and understanding of the tradition I study and practice.

Others may experience and understand things differently.

 

 

...or to a vacation rental on Deep Creek Lake.

At least I had a few days off work to adjust.

It was a wild ride!

 

 

Where and when does evolution take place?  Only in times and spaces, yes?  Earlier we talked about human identity as passing and apparent, thus would you agree same is taking place or evolving in times and spaces... anyway I'm not saying a passing and apparent identity can be equated to the Self but that in unwinding  a passing and apparent identity  (which is noble work and purposeful to find freedom)  then what is left or what was always there, thus free of being bound in times and spaces or limited to a particular form, whether it be as a human or a god?  I'd say that That is ultimately realized as Truest identity. 

 

Edited Tuesday at 03:53 PM by old3bob

[Haribol]

On 12.2.2026 at 6:46 PM, old3bob said:

(...)

Lord Siva  depicted as Lord Nataraja: 

"Anugraha, grace and emancipation, is indicated by the combination of the lower left hand, which points toward his upraised foot, showing the way to moksha in surrendering to the lord. The uplifted left leg is revealing grace, which releases the mature soul from bondage. Hindus touching the feet of their elders in respect is an echo of God’s feet being considered holy."

Luke 7:36-50

New Century Version

A Woman Washes Jesus’ Feet

36 One of the Pharisees asked Jesus to eat with him, so Jesus went into the Pharisee’s house and sat at the table. 37 A sinful woman in the town learned that Jesus was eating at the Pharisee’s house. So she brought an alabaster jar of perfume 38 and stood behind Jesus at his feet, crying. She began to wash his feet with her tears, and she dried them with her hair, kissing them many times and rubbing them with the perfume. 39 When the Pharisee who asked Jesus to come to his house saw this, he thought to himself, “If Jesus were a prophet, he would know that the woman touching him is a sinner!”

40 Jesus said to the Pharisee, “Simon, I have something to say to you.”

Simon said, “Teacher, tell me.”

41 Jesus said, “Two people owed money to the same banker. One owed five hundred coins[a] and the other owed fifty. 42 They had no money to pay what they owed, but the banker told both of them they did not have to pay him. Which person will love the banker more?”

43 Simon, the Pharisee, answered, “I think it would be the one who owed him the most money.”

Jesus said to Simon, “You are right.” 44 Then Jesus turned toward the woman and said to Simon, “Do you see this woman? When I came into your house, you gave me no water for my feet, but she washed my feet with her tears and dried them with her hair. 45 You gave me no kiss of greeting, but she has been kissing my feet since I came in. 46 You did not put oil on my head, but she poured perfume on my feet. 47 I tell you that her many sins are forgiven, so she showed great love. But the person who is forgiven only a little will love only a little.”

48 Then Jesus said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.”

49 The people sitting at the table began to say among themselves, “Who is this who even forgives sins?”

50 Jesus said to the woman, “Because you believed, you are saved from your sins. Go in peace.”

 

Håvamål

Wisdom for Wanderers and Counsel to Guests

1.
At every door-way,
ere one enters,
one should spy round,
one should pry round
for uncertain is the witting
that there be no foeman sitting,
within, before one on the floor

2.
Hail, ye Givers! a guest is come;
say! where shall he sit within?
Much pressed is he who fain on the hearth
would seek for warmth and weal.

3.
He hath need of fire, who now is come,
numbed with cold to the knee;
food and clothing the wanderer craves
who has fared o'er the rimy fell.

4.
He craves for water, who comes for refreshment,
drying and friendly bidding,
marks of good will, fair fame if 'tis won,
and welcome once and again.

5.
He hath need of his wits who wanders wide,
aught simple will serve at home;
but a gazing-stock is the fool who sits
mid the wise, and nothing knows.

6.
Let no man glory in the greatness of his mind,
but rather keep watch o'er his wits.
Cautious and silent let him enter a dwelling;
to the heedful comes seldom harm,
for none can find a more faithful friend
than the wealth of mother wit.

[Haribol]

But since I am qouting the bible in a thread about worry... what could possibly be more fitting than this section:

 

 

Do Not Worry

25 “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothes? 26 Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27 Can any one of you by worrying add a single hour to your life[a]?

28 “And why do you worry about clothes? See how the flowers of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. 29 Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. 30 If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you—you of little faith? 31 So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33 But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. 34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

 

 

[old3bob]

 

Haribol, to me your quotes are strangely located after the Nataraja image and quote?  FYI I did bring up the Bible one about not to worry earlier.  Btw, dualistic orthodox Abrahamic religion's per the Bible and other Abrahamic related teachings will never cross the bridge to non-dualism.  Agreed?

 

Edited Tuesday at 03:55 PM by old3bob

[Haribol]

18 minutes ago, old3bob said:

 

Haribol, to me your quotes are strangely located after the Nataraja image and quote?  FYI I did bring up the Bible one about not to worry earlier.  Btw, dualistic orthodox Abrahamic religion's per the Bible and other Abrahamic related teachings will never cross the bridge to non-dualism.  Agreed?

 

Nah idk, haven’t really looked into any region in any depth. I just vibe with the Christ, and not sure how useful the term abrahamic religions are either. And there are no limits of mystics in either one of the countless traditions and offspring’s of… the book, or what to call it. Like Meister Eckhart here:

 

"God is infinite in his simplicity and simple in his infinity. Therefore he is everywhere and is everywhere complete. He is everywhere on account of his infinity, and is everywhere complete on account of his simplicity. Only God flows into all things, their very essences. Nothing else flows into something else. God is in the innermost part of each and every thing, only in its innermost part."

 

So no, not agreed. You’ll find plenty of «dualist» thinking wherever you go. 
 

And yeah, the common tread was «touching the feet» ahaha.

 

take care meine Freunde.

[old3bob]

1 hour ago, Haribol said:

Nah idk, haven’t really looked into any region in any depth. I just vibe with the Christ, and not sure how useful the term abrahamic religions are either. And there are no limits of mystics in either one of the countless traditions and offspring’s of… the book, or what to call it. Like Meister Eckhart here:

 

"God is infinite in his simplicity and simple in his infinity. Therefore he is everywhere and is everywhere complete. He is everywhere on account of his infinity, and is everywhere complete on account of his simplicity. Only God flows into all things, their very essences. Nothing else flows into something else. God is in the innermost part of each and every thing, only in its innermost part."

 

So no, not agreed. You’ll find plenty of «dualist» thinking wherever you go. 
 

And yeah, the common tread was «touching the feet» ahaha.

 

take care meine Freunde.

 

ok, true mystics are not limited to the 100% dualistic orthodox Bible interpretations via its text or other such teachings.  In fact some outspoken or otherwise mystics have been murdered by "orthodox" forces over the years. 

Edited Tuesday at 05:22 PM by old3bob

[Haribol]

42 minutes ago, old3bob said:

 

ok, true mystics are not limited to a 100% dualistic orthodox Bible interpretations via its text or other such teachings.  In fact some have been murdered by "orthodox" forces over the years. 

No mystic is 100% limited to any one interpretation of any singular book. 
 

Mysticism encompasses religious traditions of human transformation aided by various practices ^[1] and religious experiences.^{[2][note 1][note 2]} Popularly, mysticism is used synonymously with mystical experience, a neologism which refers to an ecstatic unitive experience of becoming one with God, the Absolute, or all that exists.^[3][4]

[Cobie]

 

2 hours ago, Haribol said:

… Only God flows into all things, their very essences. Nothing else flows into something else …

Yes.  
 

 

[old3bob]

1 hour ago, Haribol said:

No mystic is 100% limited to any one interpretation of any singular book. 
 

Mysticism encompasses religious traditions of human transformation aided by various practices ^[1] and religious experiences.^{[2][note 1][note 2]} Popularly, mysticism is used synonymously with mystical experience, a neologism which refers to an ecstatic unitive experience of becoming one with God, the Absolute, or all that exists.^[3][4]

 

which is what i more or less implied....yes?

[Nungali]

2 hours ago, Cobie said:

 

Yes.  
 

 

 

 

Oh come on now !  =  You know full well some things flow into other things    and that   =  dont worry be happy 

 

 

 

[Mark Foote]

On 2/14/2026 at 6:17 PM, Lairg said:

 

My own view is that spiritual planes are more important than the physical.

 

Each to their own

 

I won't bother you guys again

 

 

 

Don't be like that, Lairg!

To me, the things you talk about are like dreams, but as Bindi points out dreams can piece together images in a way that has significance outside of dreams. 



 

[Bindi]

21 hours ago, stirling said:

 

I don't doubt what you or your mother might see at all! 

 

I have seen "angels", religious figures, hooded monks, "faeries", the brutally disfigured "dead", "shadow figures", and more in visions and waking life. I put quotes around them because the names are the nearest equivalent to how we might conceptualize how they appear to us (me), but I don't believe that they necessarily inhabit the roles we commonly attribute to them.

i think there is a categorical difference between images of other ‘beings’ and images of a physical or subtle body. 

[Nungali]

On 2/14/2026 at 7:05 PM, justjoseph said:

The problem is Lairg, you expect others have the same capabilities as you. You ask things of others like "see where the white light goes" or "go back on the timeline" not realising that just because you can do these meta-physical experiments doesn't mean everyone else can, so your method becomes less like a helpful person saying things and more like a guy just saying odd things. 

 

You are assuming Lairg can do them    . We need an observer to verify it    

[Nungali]

<double post >

Edited yesterday at 07:02 AM by Nungali

[Nungali]

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Edited yesterday at 07:03 AM by Nungali

[Nungali]

4 hours ago, Mark Foote said:

 

 

Don't be like that, Lairg!

To me, the things you talk about are like dreams, but as Bindi points out dreams can piece together images in a way that has significance outside of dreams. 



 

 

Dont be like what ?  Ducking out when a real test is suggested ? 

[justjoseph]

2 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

You are assuming Lairg can do them    . We need an observer to verify it    

haha indeed i am, it would be odd if he spent all this time talking about these things and not be able to do them himself. He also does say things from time to time that are in line with what i think. The observer could lie, or be biased in some way, we still wouldn't know the truth. Probably we can't ever know the truth through anyone but ourselves.......What do you think Nungali ?

[Apech]

37 minutes ago, justjoseph said:

haha indeed i am, it would be odd if he spent all this time talking about these things and not be able to do them himself. He also does say things from time to time that are in line with what i think. The observer could lie, or be biased in some way, we still wouldn't know the truth. Probably we can't ever know the truth through anyone but ourselves.......What do you think Nungali ?

Nungali can’t reply because he is currently manifesting in my living room.

 

 

[old3bob]

59 minutes ago, Apech said:

Nungali can’t reply because he is currently manifesting in my living room.

 

 

who is supplying the ectoplasm, and is it organic non-gmo?

Edited yesterday at 10:52 AM by old3bob

[justjoseph]

1 hour ago, Apech said:

Nungali can’t reply because he is currently manifesting in my living room.

 

 

That cat in you pfp looks like it has a good head to pat. 

[Haribol]

Aaaaaand @Lairg.. for what it is worth, I value your contributions. Truth be told, some of it strikes me as a little «out there» and diffuse at this moment, but judging by the interactions we have had, I do genuinely belive you are in touch with the supernatural. Ofc, I can’t take everything you say on blind faith, but I don’t think you want me to do that either.

 

Jaya Lairg!

[Cobie]

 

On 15/02/2026 at 3:17 AM, Lairg said:

…  won't bother you guys again

 You do occasionally come out with a gem.  Mostly it is not what I believe in, but that’s fine. A few times I reported you for victim blaming. On balance I think you should stay.  

 

 

Edited 14 hours ago by Cobie

[steve]

On 2/14/2026 at 9:17 PM, Lairg said:

 

My own view is that spiritual planes are more important than the physical.

 

Each to their own

 

I won't bother you guys again

 

 

 

I sometimes cannot relate to things you post, but I can say that about every person here.

I love our idiosyncrasies and our collective weirdness.

I for one hope you stick around.

It just wouldn't be quite as interesting or exotic without you!

 

 

 

 

Edited 14 hours ago by steve

[Nungali]

14 hours ago, justjoseph said:

haha indeed i am, it would be odd if he spent all this time talking about these things and not be able to do them himself. He also does say things from time to time that are in line with what i think. The observer could lie, or be biased in some way, we still wouldn't know the truth. Probably we can't ever know the truth through anyone but ourselves.......What do you think Nungali ?

 

Its not that much what he talks about but how he talks about it   

 

Eg, some of the things he suggests are based on magical theory but then he changes and twists it   ( thats fine too , again its the 'how' )  further eg .  meet an 'entity ' , test it , see its reaction . This is often done by seeing its reaction to a sign words titles symbols  magical analysis of any name it claims ... and so on .   thats the 'what '  ... the how ?

 

Take my Octopus God  thread - a remarkable development that may be unique in human history ( except from one singular example - which also comes form the ancient Aboriginals here -  the only occurrence we know of where  a nationwide sweeping change in society for the better , comes not from disaster man made or natural , not from war or invasion or similar - but by sheer ingenuity and brilliance of vision . 

 

Lairg's response ;   I was looking at a blah blah and astrally saw octopus on peoples heads .   ( with no comparisons , explanations , etc )  .... a LOT of '' I can do, I did do this '' ...  slipping in a touting of his abilities  from single word associations  . 

 

[Nungali]

13 hours ago, Apech said:

Nungali can’t reply because he is currently manifesting in my living room.

 

 

 

Nah ... me multi skilled . 

 

I can affirm that Apech is indeed a white cat and he is lying on a  blue colored shaggy rug , looking out the window towards the rather barren hills to the north .

 

( MY God !  Why did I not think of this  before !  ... before I rowed all the way there !    )