evil running wild in the world

[Nungali]

3 hours ago, Lairg said:

 

Imagine if duality had a purpose

 

There is no need to imagine it ... of course it has a purpose .   You would not be ' in it '  otherwise . 

[Nungali]

1 hour ago, Lairg said:

Is it possible for the non-dual to achieve some development or purpose by manifesting then penetrating a duality?

 

Are there stages/progressions within non-duality that are exercised in a duality?  

 

More simply:  why do humans exist?   Not how, but why!

 

Long ago I had a dream that I later re-entered to experiment within.  The dream showed me a complex interaction between the non-dual and the manifested duality.  I knew intelligences that were within both.

 

 

You dont need to enter or re-enter a dream to see that ,  If you  need to be shown the ' complex interaction between the non-dual and the manifested duality' just OPEN YOUR EYES and look around you ... at life . 

[zerostao]

6 hours ago, kakapo said:

 

I’m having a really hard time processing what’s happening.

 

To me, it feels like this supernatural level of evil that’s invisible to almost everyone.

 

Even for the people who notice it, the truth feels so dim and distant.

 

It’s like living through a Rick and Morty plot there’s this total disconnect between what should be possible and what I’m actually witnessing.

 

Yes evil is growing rapidly like a cancer.

 

 

I think evil is getting bolder. I feel it's always been there, kinda lurking, being stealthy, 

Now, it's openly shameless.

Imo

[zerostao]

6 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

What ?   You never woke up in the morning with a zombie woof behind your eyes ? 

 

I got a great big pointed fang
Which is my zomby tooth
My right foot's bigger than my other one is
Like a regular zombie hoof

 

If I raid your dormitorium
Don't try to remain aloof

I might snatch you up screamin' through the window all naked
And do it to you on the roof,

 

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Ha, on Thursday, while on my route delivering meals, after stopping by the house to pack a bowl full of frosted sherbet, I listened to the full album Weasels Ripped My Flesh, 

I had a little grin on my face as I drove by the farms.

Friday's route was Abbey Road.

 

The madness of evil is spreading, not only to cities, but out in the woods too. Not sure which is scarier; the wolf or Red.

 

Spoiler

 

 

Here, I am guarded by the remnants of a cat clan and a trio of opposums.

Such sweet innocent creatures and yet, they do not cower away from evil.

 

Facing forms of advancing evil probably wasn't on any of our things to do list,,,

 

For those that feel they are tucked away is a safe Haven,

Remember this, things change.

[kakapo]

3 hours ago, zerostao said:

 

I think evil is getting bolder. I feel it's always been there, kinda lurking, being stealthy, 

Now, it's openly shameless.

Imo

 

It feels like it's hungry, and needs to eat. 

[old3bob]

2 hours ago, kakapo said:

 

It feels like it's hungry, and needs to eat. 

 

it has no lasting root in itself and needs to steal whatever it can get away with which lasts for awhile,  which has been a very long while but not forever, thus after stealing and consuming all it can get away with it then implodes or self destructs on itself.

 

 

[old3bob]

 Love is one with the lasting root...

Edited 7 hours ago by old3bob

[old3bob]

Steve, your humble and deeply diplomatic posts and sincere humanity are not wrong about anything,  your wisdom of a cool head is very much appreciated!

Edited 7 hours ago by old3bob

[liminal_luke]

On 9/1/2026 at 9:01 AM, steve said:

 

Just like the gods and goddesses, I see these more as convenient anthropomorphic representations of human qualities and characteristics and of unexplainable natural phenomena. Some positive (gods and goddesses) and some negative (demons). I’m not afraid to use the terms but I think they are less necessary and less meaningful in the context of modern knowledge. 

 

On 10/1/2026 at 4:12 AM, Apech said:

 

@steve that's interesting but I believe you may have made some category errors.  Some representations are anthropomorphic but that does not mean that the thing being represented is 'human' (depending on what human means I suppose).  There are entities at all levels of reality but we see them through human eyes and with human minds.  Also natural phenomena are not 'unexplainable' but may be 'unexplained' in some cases.  I suspect you think that the world populated by non-human entities is a fantasy of primitive thought because it does not equate to your scientific preconceptions.  Actually it is the more normal view and truer for that.  Given the practice which I know you follow you might want to revisit how you are conceptualising all this.

 

Peace.

 

A.

 

 

 

 

Seems to me that Steve´s view of seeing the qualities attributed to Gods and Goddesses as human is useful in a practice context.  Such an understanding helps to avoid the error of projecting out our negative (and positive) qualities.  By keeping the focus on a human level, we´re able to work with the qualities as they show up in our lives -- everything is within our "locus of control."  A great advantage of TRW´s teaching, in my limited experience, is that the practices are always brought to bear on particular lived contexts.  So practical!  

 

And yet I´ll admit...the ghostbuster in me likes to imagine a world inhabited by a plethora of not-entirely-human spirits, some benevolent, others not so much.  Is this actually the case?  Sadly, my limited powers of perception prevent me from saying for sure.  But the idea of such beings adds an aura of numinous mystery that appeals.  

 

Ultimately, of course, the point is to collapse the illusory sense of separation between world and self.  It´s often said that the "separate self" does not exist, and I suppose this goes for the self of Gods and Goddesses too.  If Gods and Goddesses do exist then, at least on some level: they are us and we, them.  All this is above my paygrade, but you know how it is with Bums like me -- we love to talk.

Edited 6 hours ago by liminal_luke

[Master Logray]

24 minutes ago, liminal_luke said:

And yet I´ll admit...the ghostbuster in me likes to imagine a world inhabited by a plethora of not-entirely-human spirits, some benevolent, others not so much.  Is this actually the case?  Sadly, my limited powers of perception prevent me from saying for sure.  But the idea of such beings adds an aura of numinous mystery that appeals.  

 

 

This is the general views in the East, where there are worlds, our world, and other worlds with numerous entities and beings, some benevolent, some vicious or different from time to time - just like us.   There is not a single and only source of evil which emanates out.  So no evil running wild in the world.   Both worlds and perhaps many other worlds mingle and is a big ecosystem.  

 

I believe the concept of a single evil stems from Abrahamic religions - one God one evil. 

 

[old3bob]

"Seems to me that Steve´s view of seeing the qualities attributed to Gods and Goddesses as human is useful in a practice context."  by Luke; 

 

ok to a point and or in certain cases, but it is a  mistake to think humans are the only type of conscious beings !  For there are Beings that have no trace of human conscience or sensibilities and there are also Beings far advanced spiritually beyond us.  I didn't get that from a book...

[kakapo]

9 hours ago, old3bob said:

 

it has no lasting root in itself and needs to steal whatever it can get away with which lasts for awhile,  which has been a very long while but not forever, thus after stealing and consuming all it can get away with it then implodes or self destructs on itself.

 

 

 

This sums up my thoughts on what comes next.  

 

Let me know what you think about both the song and video.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkHSmDxX1t4&list=RDUkHSmDxX1t4&rco=1

 

[old3bob]

34 minutes ago, kakapo said:

 

This sums up my thoughts on what comes next.  

 

Let me know what you think about both the song and video.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkHSmDxX1t4&list=RDUkHSmDxX1t4&rco=1

 

 

Btw in case you are not sure it is common to download or copy a youtube video right to this site thus not needing to list it as a url.  It sounds like the band is tapping into the hell realms for  dark power....

Edited 4 hours ago by old3bob

[kakapo]

8 minutes ago, old3bob said:

 

Btw in case you are not sure it is common to download or copy a youtube video right to this site thus not needing to list it as a url.  It sounds like the band is tapping into the hell realms for  dark power....

 

I tried to post as a video, but it wouldn't work for some reason so I had to do a link. 

[Apech]

Just now, kakapo said:

 

I tried to post as a video, but it wouldn't work for some reason so I had to do a link. 

cos it’s in a playlist - if you open it as a separate vid the link will post

[kakapo]

1 minute ago, Apech said:

cos it’s in a playlist - if you open it as a separate vid the link will post

 

 

[Apech]

@kakapo I like that song 

[old3bob]

1 hour ago, Apech said:

@kakapo I like that song 

 

I did not listen to the whole thing and did not need to with its typical hell metal like vibe.   (the piper will collect on those enthralled to variations of same)  I partly fell for some lower astral crap like that back in the 60's the 70's when I was a kid.

Edited 1 hour ago by old3bob

[kakapo]

15 minutes ago, old3bob said:

 

I did not listen to the whole thing and did not need to with its typical hell metal like vibe.   (the piper will collect on those enthralled to variations of same)  I partly fell for some lower astral crap like that back in the 60's the 70's when I was a kid.

 

Seems pretty ambient and not metal to me, but to each their own.

[Apech]

39 minutes ago, old3bob said:

 

I did not listen to the whole thing and did not need to with its typical hell metal like vibe.   (the piper will collect on those enthralled to variations of same)  I partly fell for some lower astral crap like that back in the 60's the 70's when I was a kid.

 

Obviously I am still a kid.

[Cobie]

 

18 minutes ago, Apech said:

… I am still a kid.

Now you are just bragging. 
 

Spoiler

DDJ ch. 55, the person in harmony with the Tao is like a newborn child

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Cobie

[Nungali]

13 hours ago, old3bob said:

 

it has no lasting root in itself and needs to steal whatever it can get away with which lasts for awhile,  which has been a very long while but not forever, thus after stealing and consuming all it can get away with it then implodes or self destructs on itself.

 

 

 

Dont worry about that .... would you like some gold  ?  

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Nungali]

1 hour ago, old3bob said:

 

I did not listen to the whole thing and did not need to with its typical hell metal like vibe.   (the piper will collect on those enthralled to variations of same)  I partly fell for some lower astral crap like that back in the 60's the 70's when I was a kid.

 

Ohhh but it got much better  ( and deeper and more magical and spiritual  )  ;  

 

It might even be relevant to what is getting at you now ? (if you get the lyrics ) ;

 

 

 

[Apech]

6 hours ago, liminal_luke said:

 

 

 

Seems to me that Steve´s view of seeing the qualities attributed to Gods and Goddesses as human is useful in a practice context.  Such an understanding helps to avoid the error of projecting out our negative (and positive) qualities.  By keeping the focus on a human level, we´re able to work with the qualities as they show up in our lives -- everything is within our "locus of control."  A great advantage of TRW´s teaching, in my limited experience, is that the practices are always brought to bear on particular lived contexts.  So practical!  

 

Well I agree on keeping things real so to speak.  And I'm not advocating an away with the fairies view on entities.  It (the idea they are real) does not fit the modern mind set though - so we seek rationalistic arguments about non-human entities.  Something that has probably been accepted as true for hundreds of thousands of years by humans (I would suggest).  But perhaps its worth considering that they, the gods, demi-gods, spirits and so on are each in their own realm where the rules of their realm apply.   It's all about perception and we see with human eyes - so we imagine things as if they humanish.

 

6 hours ago, liminal_luke said:

And yet I´ll admit...the ghostbuster in me likes to imagine a world inhabited by a plethora of not-entirely-human spirits, some benevolent, others not so much.  Is this actually the case?  Sadly, my limited powers of perception prevent me from saying for sure.  But the idea of such beings adds an aura of numinous mystery that appeals.  

 

Yes the numinous mystery is real.  IMO.  I would not have said this a decade (maybe) ago.  But there is always something unsatisfactory about 'archetypes' and psychological thought-forms etc to me.  It's weak really.  For instance the idea of sub-conscious is in itself poor - it should be super-conscious ... a field of super-conscious possibilities.  And just part of the banality which science or scientism gives to our lives.

 

6 hours ago, liminal_luke said:

Ultimately, of course, the point is to collapse the illusory sense of separation between world and self.  It´s often said that the "separate self" does not exist, and I suppose this goes for the self of Gods and Goddesses too.  If Gods and Goddesses do exist then, at least on some level: they are us and we, them.  All this is above my paygrade, but you know how it is with Bums like me -- we love to talk.

 

You've got a point there.  If everything is empty - then everything is possible (?).

 

 

[liminal_luke]

5 minutes ago, Apech said:

 

Yes the numinous mystery is real.  

 

 

I reckon most of us have bumped up against The Unexplained.  I know I have.  My experiences wouldn´t pass scientific muster but they were personally compelling.