stirling Posted 2 hours ago 4 hours ago, old3bob said: thus a contrivance of non-contrivance or bypassing, How so? 4 hours ago, old3bob said: many here could also state or quote all sorts of transcendent stuff but such doesn't really cut it... Aren't you throwing out the baby with the bathwater? 4 hours ago, old3bob said: and which can be dangerous for new and even some advanced students. How so? What danger? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nungali Posted 1 hour ago 1 hour ago, stirling said: ...... How so? What danger? '' Ahhhhh ..... that's 'better' ? '' Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stirling Posted 1 hour ago 8 minutes ago, Nungali said: '' Ahhhhh ..... that's 'better' ? '' Trepanation - it's what's good for the nation! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mark Foote Posted 1 hour ago (edited) 8 hours ago, stirling said: The topic of this thread is a Zen expression, "don't know mind", that is a conceptual description of the mind clear, still, and ready for anything, arrived at by allow the mind to come to a stop. It isn't a practice, concept, or religious belief (a baby in the bath water) it is precisely the lack of ANY effort or contrivance of the mind. It is mind "as it is", arrived at by allowing to come to a stop of its own accord. It is simply being enlightened mind in this moment. It is dropping process, technique and maps completely and finding enlightenment in this moment, if only temporarily. This is the essence of Zen. "so much that they refer to fellow humans as something 'other'"--Nungali. Join with me then, Nungali, in applauding Stirling for writing the entire paragraph quoted above without a single use of the pronoun, "you". Everyone here knows that we're only talking to ourselves, right? Nobody else here, except the cat: But seriously, I like it when we address ourselves. "... arrived at by allowing the mind to come to a stop"--yes, but once a person is altogether "here", practice occurs and "the fundamental point" is actualized, right? When you find your place where you are, practice occurs, actualizing the fundamental point. (“Genjo Koan [Actualizing the Fundamental Point]”, tr. Kazuaki Tanahashi, included in his “Enlightenment Unfolds”) Dogen continued: When you find your way at this moment, practice occurs, actualizing the fundamental point… (ibid) (Dogen was convinced he was talking to someone else--so sad.) I would say the activity of the body can be entirely “reflex movement” occasioned by the placement of attention. To remain awake as the location of attention shifts and activity of the body takes place is “just to sit”. The freedom of “your way at this moment” is touched on in daily living through “your place where you are”. That’s my take. Find the place, find the way at this moment--practice occurs and the singular point of consciousness is actualized. Edited 1 hour ago by Mark Foote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
