Views on Science/Scientists/Scientism (Split from Is the MCO Real?)

[Sanity Check]

41 minutes ago, Taomeow said:

 

This is also what we use in Chen style taiji, the corkscrew motion in the spine with upper and lower parts going in the opposite directions, which is part of what you do to generate a specific kind of power we call peng.  I also remember in TKD it was used to teach us to fall on all fours in a hypothetical situation where, e.g., the opponent throws you face down onto an obstacle, a boulder or curb or a glass coffee table: when landing on all fours you twist the upper body sideways to at least save your face.  Master Ho had us fall like that onto a pile of soft mats, but it was still scary physics.

 

 

Its good this was explained.

 

Before it escalated into some CAT astrophe.

 

 

[old3bob]

1 hour ago, Taomeow said:

 

This is also what we use in Chen style taiji, the corkscrew motion in the spine with upper and lower parts going in the opposite directions, which is part of what you do to generate a specific kind of power we call peng.  I also remember in TKD it was used to teach us to fall on all fours in a hypothetical situation where, e.g., the opponent throws you face down onto an obstacle, a boulder or curb or a glass coffee table: when landing on all fours you twist the upper body sideways to at least save your face.  Master Ho had us fall like that onto a pile of soft mats, but it was still scary physics.

 

Taomeow, you sure have been around the block a few times or should I say the mats...

 

I quit Taekwondo when the black belt kept saying, "one kick one kill" which is not a measured reaction to me that could have different or better out comes.  (although for an all out war or battle situation like in the Korean war of the 50's where a commander developed it (or in similar situations) such a saying would be more applicable)

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[Taomeow]

1 hour ago, old3bob said:

 

Taomeow, you sure have been around the block a few times or should I say the mats...

 

I quit Taekwondo when the black belt kept saying, "one kick one kill" which is not a measured reaction to me that could have different or better out comes.  (although for an all out war or battle situation like in the Korean war of the 50's where a commander developed it (or in similar situations) such a saying would be more applicable)

 

Yes, there's this tough guy (occasionally gal) type who's in it for a chance to hurt someone, but luckily I was spared those encounters with my TKD peers.  

I loved taekwondo but didn't get far -- had to quit due to family circumstances.  My master was the product of the Korean army and handled training his students the way he was taught himself -- mercilessly.  But my mood at the time was something like, "let's challenge this lazy cat, i.e. me, who'd rather spend her life on the sofa with a book," so I didn't mind.  And later, when the great tao sent my taiji teacher, the first thing he said to me was, without me disclosing it, "ohhh... I can see you did taekwondo...  that's OK, I'll get it out of your system."  And did, in no time.        

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[Lairg]

9 hours ago, Lairg said:

https://www.ufodigest.com/article/12-kinds-of-antigravity-and-reduced-gravity-u-s-crafts/

 

What advances in theoretical physics might support 12 kinds of anti-gravity and reduced gravity craft?

 

The most important advances are too valuable to be given away

 

[old3bob]

6 hours ago, zerostao said:

I will provide an example that shows the problem does go on in purely technical physical sciences too, and has a long history .

Back in the 1960s, during Cold War era, when it seemed there was nothing that good ol American engineering couldn't accomplish; especially with aircraft, Lockheed and Boeing announced they would produce supersonic passenger jets. For them, the sky was not a limit.

However, the Concorde and a 😱 Russian TU144 achieved supersonic passenger aircraft before America. And into the 70s, Boeing still hadn't come up with one, science stepped in, warning about "potential" ozone damage.

So, corruption and greed, has been around in human nature a long long time, and likely will remain until the end of days 

 

 

 

Well the mix of "The good, the bad and the ugly"  (also beautiful) comes with our human territory but is not part of the heavenly territory.

 

  Btw I bought a better mouse trap about a year ago that does not harm a mouse in any way, the catch is that you have to release the mouse somewhere out in the bushes, which I did and was taken aback at how he instantly rocketed out of the traps hinged door with a squeak and a determined will to live while jumping into the bushes regardless of whatever a big human like me was doing!   (which kind of reminded me of that mouse in the movie "The Green Mile". --- I once tried those glue traps for mice but what a horrible way for a mouse to go!

 

 

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[Nungali]

16 hours ago, Taomeow said:

 

And biophysics, and...  One of my favorite quotes ever, by an evolutionary biologist Haldane (I think), in response to the question --

--You have studied creation all your life, what have you learned about the Creator?

--That God has an inordinate fondness for beetles.   

 

Not sure anthropology covers "all" the territory worth covering...  in fact, it chiefly concerns itself with the antics of the species Plato called "the featherless biped" (based on the fact that we walk on two legs like birds but unlike birds are, well, featherless).  And what about cats?  To say nothing of beetles? 

 

It would cover cats as they have been a human companion for some time and may actually have effected human ( and cat )  'evolution ' ( at least socio-culturally ) - similar to how one can not really study the 'development' of humans without the dog, 'cattle' horse ....  and beetles ?   Well, humans eat them, use them  and some even understand their role in keeping a healthy environment  ( for humans ) . 

 

 

16 hours ago, Taomeow said:

 

So...  I actually meant taoist sciences which meet the requirement I consider a sine qua non -- a unified theory underlying all of them.  But today they are not viewed as science by the popes of the church of modern western science -- and are woefully lumped together, by assorted quacks, with assorted woo-woo...  just like quantum mechanics.    

 

Unified theory...  That physics woman in the video (I may have been too harsh in my assessment,

 

So ....  is she still a 'bitch '     ?      

 

 

16 hours ago, Taomeow said:

 

but am too lazy to list all the reasons why) mentioned superstrings (something she apparently doesn't like) in the context of "it was mostly an American thing, not a European one."  That's what we have for a unified theory...  an American physics and a European physics.  Or is it anthropology, sans physics?..

 

 

Oh damn them !  let's just have fun with a 'beautiful theory'  and forget all that proof stuff ! 

 

There 'are '  two types of 'strings'  (of course   ; a yin one and a yang one ) one is a  regular string  with  a middle and two ends  (   now we are getting into my 3:4 theory ) and the other, the ends meet forming a loop or circle . 

 

AND I can 'prove' it because we can observe this in everyday life and objects :  

 

eg 

 

 

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[Nungali]

10 hours ago, Lairg said:

https://www.ufodigest.com/article/12-kinds-of-antigravity-and-reduced-gravity-u-s-crafts/

 

10 hours ago, Lairg said:

 

in the public domain

 

 

 

But your 'UFO digest'    IS in the public domain .

[Taomeow]

1 hour ago, Nungali said:

 

It would cover cats as they have been a human companion for some time and may actually have effected human ( and cat )  'evolution ' ( at least socio-culturally ) - similar to how one can not really study the 'development' of humans without the dog, 'cattle' horse ....  and beetles ?   Well, humans eat them, use them  and some even understand their role in keeping a healthy environment  ( for humans ) . 

 

 

That's speciesism, no?  Animals only interesting in what they can do for us, not for their own sake?  Yes, some felines, specifically Felis Catus known as domestic cat, have been our companions for quite a while, but most don't want to have anything to do with us if they can help it...  I like the shinto view - - no species is thought of as superior to any other, they are all perfect in their own habitat, on their own terms, and people are part of this arrangement, not some special case.  Unless we are bent on climbing on top of the Pyramid of Extinction... 

 

1 hour ago, Nungali said:

So ....  is she still a 'bitch '     ?      

 

I shamed myself into thinking I was too judgmental, so I decided to doublecheck and went back to the video.  And the first word she uttered was "hello..."

-- and my whole life's experience screamed -- "no need to listen to the rest, someone who says hello like this is a bitch."  So I stopped right there the second time around.  

 

1 hour ago, Nungali said:

 

AND I can 'prove' it because we can observe this in everyday life and objects :  

 

eg 

 

 

    ....        

 

I never had spaghetti from a can so I can't be a reliable judge of it... and my quantum mechanics education is limited to extended  lectures on the subject which a family member professionally in the know used to give me during long car trips (they were superb, by the way) for educational entertainment (sic) purposes.  But I seem to recall that those loops on the right are sort of wrapped around the non-loopy ones on the left.  If you have both varieties, you could conduct a scientific experiment, string the right ones onto the left ones, see what happens.  Whether the procedure begets a universe, maybe even a better one if we're lucky, or...  well, experimental evidence will tell.      

[Sanity Check]

5 hours ago, Lairg said:

 

What advances in theoretical physics might support 12 kinds of anti-gravity and reduced gravity craft?

 

The most important advances are too valuable to be given away

 

 

 

There used to be a community called american antigravity for discussing outlier forms of energy generation and propulsion.

 

Some of their content was legit. Others not so much.

 

At least one fringe concept of propulsion was tested to see if it worked and later stolen by NASA who then repressed the technology. That might have been around the time NASA was constructing their famed "launchpad to nowhere". Which wasn't that long after Sarah Palin was criticized in the media for wanting to build a "bridge to nowhere".

 

Old news, old news. That piece of history is like digging up fossils.

 

 

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[Sanity Check]

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[Nungali]

4 hours ago, Taomeow said:

 

That's speciesism, no? 

 

No .  Many human groups throughout history manage their environment  so THEY can thrive ( at the far end result ) and still not consider any pyramids with them at the top . 

 

I realize this mat be an unpopular opinion ... like some seem to think native peoples ( eg the Australian Aboriginal ) cared for their environments for   'the sake of it ' .... ( actually there is no 'for the sake of it '  .... except for some modern idealists living in a  technological environment ... that has already messed up the local environment and ecology . )

 

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Animals only interesting in what they can do for us, not for their own sake? 

 

I would say interested in what they can do for us and their own sake 

 

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Yes, some felines, specifically Felis Catus known as domestic cat, have been our companions for quite a while, but most don't want to have anything to do with us if they can help it... 

 

Until its dinner time    

 

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I like the shinto view - - no species is thought of as superior to any other,

 

Superior ?     I wasnt suggesting any concepts of superiority here . 

 

 

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they are all perfect in their own habitat, on their own terms, and people are part of this arrangement, not some special case.  Unless we are bent on climbing on top of the Pyramid of Extinction... 

 

Agreed  ... accept , I think it might be a bit obvious   that we are a 'special case' , as far as animals go   (  'mental case' included ) . 

 

[ I saw some dumb arse nature doco the other night about 'unusual' whale behavior  ... they posed the question '' Are they doing this for .... fun ! ?   Do animals do things for fun ? ''        

 

Dumbarsedoco concluded they probably   do . 

 

 

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I shamed myself into thinking I was too judgmental, so I decided to doublecheck and went back to the video.  And the first word she uttered was "hello..."

-- and my whole life's experience screamed -- "no need to listen to the rest, someone who says hello like this is a bitch."  So I stopped right there the second time around.  

 

    Too judgmental, so I went back  ... and didnt like the way the bitch said 'hello '        ... okay then      

 

actually I am going to go back and listen to her say hello 

 

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Oh yeah .... what a bitch      

 

 

 

 

 

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I never had spaghetti from a can so I can't be a reliable judge of it... and my quantum mechanics education is limited to extended  lectures on the subject which a family member professionally in the know used to give me during long car trips (they were superb, by the way) for educational entertainment (sic) purposes.  But I seem to recall that those loops on the right are sort of wrapped around the non-loopy ones on the left.  If you have both varieties, you could conduct a scientific experiment, string the right ones onto the left ones, see what happens.  Whether the procedure begets a universe, maybe even a better one if we're lucky, or...  well, experimental evidence will tell.      

 

 

You would end up with an existential horror  ;  

 

[Lairg]

57 minutes ago, Sanity Check said:

That piece of history is like digging up fossils.

 

So no secret advances?  What about portal travel - perhaps from the work with the Montauk chair and the problems with the Philadelphia Experiment?

 

 

[Nungali]

 

9 minutes ago, Lairg said:

 

So no secret advances?  What about portal travel - perhaps from the work with the Montauk chair and the problems with the Philadelphia Experiment?

 

 

 

 

I would not count that as any great advance in science  ...

 

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[Sanity Check]

12 minutes ago, Lairg said:

 

So no secret advances?  What about portal travel - perhaps from the work with the Montauk chair and the problems with the Philadelphia Experiment?

 

 

 

 

This ^ could represent technology so advanced, so powerful, that it is guaranteed to produce evil and corruption for those who use it.

 

Lack of progress in science can be a good thing, sometimes.

 

 

[Lairg]

17 minutes ago, Sanity Check said:

Lack of progress in science can be a good thing, sometimes.

 

What could induce lack of progress across all Earth humanity?

 

 

[Sanity Check]

2 hours ago, Lairg said:

 

What could induce lack of progress across all Earth humanity?

 

 

 

 

Fear of change.

 

Apathy.

 

Other?