when will human madness end?

[Nungali]

14 hours ago, old3bob said:

 

Your picture on the left reminds me of driving on southern California highways,  sometimes it's like bumper cars for real!  Btw, unleaded gas did cut down a lot on some types of pollution but then the number of vehicles and roads kept growing and growing!  Note below: part of that road is elevated on top of another road, don't know the location but I've been on ones like that in Texas where most everything is Big.

(just a random fact and not as big as Australia which is 10-11 times its size ;-)

 

 

Things are still developing here . Locally I have never seen so many road works, improvements, new bridges ... where the money coming from all of a sudden ? !  

 

A decade ago I had friends staying here from California . I met them in Sydney and we drove up here , up the east coast . After driving for a bit  one of them ; " Hey .... when did we  turn off the freeway ? " 

 

Me:  " We didn't , we are still on it . They just haven't got around to modernizing this bit yet ."

 

"    What ! This is the main highway  between the two major capital cities on your east coast ?"

 

"Yep ."

 

"  With all the transport, trucks, and everything using it ?"

 

" Yep ."

 

File:Old Pacific Highway.jpg - Wikimedia Commons

 

Its just about all done now and modernized .  My local city Coffs Harbour  has been the last to get a 'motorway bypass' . That was because the Great Dividing Range nearly touches the coast here , a difficult re-route , had to make a few tunnels . All this time , in the middle of this small city , all the north south traffic of the east coast gets funneled down the main street ! 

 

here is our new fancy 'American plan ' ; 

 

 

 

Noting your comment about size , look at western Australia ... its VAST  , driving through there is like going into some trance state . Sleeping out there is even more rad .  But distances like that , the road is NOT like a freeway or motorway at all , and often under bad repair , and distance requires high speed limits , and ya got trucks and road trains  and sometimes very high winds .

 

Having one of them pass you in a light high camper van , it was certainly an 'adventure' . 

 

 

 

Edited Sunday at 11:38 PM by Nungali

[Nungali]

12 hours ago, Master Logray said:

 

I support this.   Back in the old days I don't know anything,  choosing a product, choosing a school,

choosing a subject, choosing a career, choosing a place to live - all these need a lot of information which were just not available.   Only the highly knowledgeable ones keep newspaper clippings.   And many didn't have access to newspaper at all.    Without information, there were no real opportunities.   Leap frogging was only possible by luck.  

 

 

 

 

I can agree with you in theory , but in reading what you wrote , I 'didnt get it'   , I guess my life back then was a totally different dynamic . But it worked out well .

 

Sometimes we ( my friends the same age ) wonder;  " Hey, how did we we meet up and do stuff back then ?  Go out, meet at houses , or at the beach or for some outing  and not having phones or such 'info tech' about things ,. Well, we did ,  and it all seemed to work fine . 

 

We chose a product because it was in fashion or we liked it . How did we know if it was 'in fashion' or not without  info social media etc etc .  Well, we did , somehow .  We also got to look at it , handle it , talk to anyone that had one , read consumer reports on it ... not read online BS about it and have to buy it without even looking at it first ... okay ... without looking at it in reality   first .

 

 

Not having a range of world wide choices didn't seem to matter .  Choose a school ?  You would go to the local one . A choice within that ... well, you would use your brain  ( that thing in your head that is supposed to be working things out for you ! )  , talk to others , OBSERVE   the school, the children, look at their results . 

 

How to choose a place to live ? You would look in the local paper 'to rent  '  and circle the best looking 5 or 6  , go to the estate agents , go look at the houses or flats and choose the best one .  Now, with  all the info available , even if you could find ANYTHING to rent and even if you could afford the crazy rent amount , you might find yourself  in a melee  of applicants , some willing to bribe and offer more than the required rent  to secure it ... virtually a 'rent auction ' .  How is this better ?    I don't get it .

 

or  for moves afar , maybe your friends , or gossip or some one wrote ... wait for it ... a letter ! " Hey guys . come up to Cains , ATM you can sleep on the beach , eat wild food, and go surfing all day ! "

 

If it ALL needed a 'lot of information '  how did it work before without modern info overload ?  Are you saying it didn't work , or it didn't work well ?  Or what ? 

 

if it didn't work well   ....      ...    I had a pretty good time . It worked well for me .

 

I am wondering if you lived through those times  and either , had a bad experience with 'information'   or are just assuming stuff from a modern perspective ?  

 

Besides , a lot of the  'social' info out there is crap and mindless  and even the good stuff  is near info overload . Like going into a restaurant  that has 212 items on the menu . 

 

The importance of extra information may not even be directed towards those that need it most . ;  like most things  , those that got it get more , while those that don't got it get less so the 'poor' rich people that need it more  can get the others share too.

 

 

 

 

 

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Edited Monday at 12:04 AM by Nungali

[old3bob]

 

Wow, never seen a truck and trailers set up that long ------------------------------------------------------ !

 

As for back in the old days many of us were poor but still had a relatively good times (like in nature),  and didn't have to concern ourselves with a lot of the stuff that is going on now,  like almost weekly school and other random shootings that are horrific to the max!!   Btw,  now some of the powers that be want to turn teachers into armed cops at school without them being qualified as cops!!

And that is partially on the gun corporations for pushing guns 24/7 to everyone for maximum profit, along with nixing lots of reasonable safety ideas and laws for civilian gun ownership....almost no one needs a 30-50 round magazine semi-automatic combat type gun at home that can cheaply be turned into near automatic!   Except for maybe off duty swat officers or cops on call.  Good God!

 

Edited yesterday at 07:36 PM by old3bob

[Sanity Check]

4 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

 

Don't forget your other excuse as well ;  

 

First you claim a statistic , then when shown to be wrong by statistics  :  " There may actually have been more murder & violence in that era although it was less publicized by the media. "  

 

 

 

 

Crime and violence were at all time historical lows in some US cities.

 

New york politicians would cite this claiming their "stop and frisk" policy was responsible for achieving all time crime and homicide lows.

 

If homicides in 1960 were 5 per 100,000. And 5.1 in 2014. That's only 2% difference. 

 

That's not enough of a change to account for the shift in public perspective.

 

And so we must search elsewhere to explain it.

[Nungali]

You are still doing 'it'    : 

 

3 hours ago, Sanity Check said:

 

 

Crime and violence were at all time historical lows in some US cities.

 

Switch to 'some US cities' now  ?    No doubt 'some' US cities' had none !   

 

Again not your original claim .

 

 

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New york politicians would cite this claiming their "stop and frisk" policy was responsible for achieving all time crime and homicide lows.

 

 What they claim has nothing to do with it .  

 

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If homicides in 1960 were 5 per 100,000. And 5.1 in 2014. That's only 2% difference. 

 

Your comparisons were supposed to be about your initial claim and COVID , that date was  2019/20 . 

 

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That's not enough of a change to account for the shift in public perspective.

 

What 'public perspective '  ?    When did 'public [perspectives enter into this ?  It was initially a statistical claim by you . 

 

 

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And so we must search elsewhere to explain it.

 

 

 

 

 

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Edited Monday at 06:31 AM by Nungali

[Sanity Check]

2 hours ago, Nungali said:

You are still doing 'it'    : 

 

 

Switch to 'some US cities' now  ?    No doubt 'some' US cities' had none !   

 

Again not your original claim .

 

 

 

 What they claim has nothing to do with it .  

 

 

Your comparisons were supposed to be about your initial claim and COVID , that date was  2019/20 . 

 

 

What 'public perspective '  ?    When did 'public [perspectives enter into this ?  It was initially a statistical claim by you . 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Why New York City’s Crime Rates Are the Lowest in Modern History

In 1990, more than 2,200 people were murdered in the city. Last year, it was less than 300.

By Rebecca Gibian

January 11, 2018

 

Back in 1990, New Yorkers might not be able to fathom a time when murder wouldn’t be part of their daily lives. That year, more than 2,200 people were murdered in New York City. But after three decades of declines, the murder rate in 2017 was down to 290. The significant change marks a trend that has been occurring for 27 straight years: violent crime in the city keeps dropping in every borough.

“(This year) will go down in history as the safest year we’ve seen in nearly seven decades, that span covers three generations of New Yorkers,” said Commissioner James P. O’Neill, of the New York Police Department, during a year-end crime press briefing held at NYPD Headquarters on Jan. 5.

 

 

 

https://www.insidehook.com/culture/crime-rates-in-nyc-the-lowest-in-modern-history

 

 

 

 

 

[Master Logray]

Nowadays the most popular and fruitful crimes are scams.   In the old days a few bank robberies could give you a fortune.  I am not sure how much cash are there in the New York banks now with all the electronic ways of banking.   I would wonder robbers need to rob every week to amass the same level of fortune.  While scammers can get millions by phone calls, or wait for you to click a link.  It is  more comfortable and safer too.  As far as money is concerned, crimes have changed away from violence.

[Paradoxal]

1 hour ago, Master Logray said:

As far as money is concerned, crimes have changed away from violence.

...Systematic violence is still violence.  Scamming an old lady out of her savings could literally put her on the streets, something that can easily be fatal in America.

How is that any different from physically sticking her up with a gun?

[ralis]

On 6/30/2025 at 11:24 AM, BigSkyDiamond said:

unborn, unformed, uncreated, no beginning and no end, no time, no space, no form.

Always was and always will be.

that is the truth of who we are.

 

 

In what way are you experiencing this? Direct, or did your guru tell you this?

[BigSkyDiamond]

42 minutes ago, ralis said:

 

In what way are you experiencing this? Direct, or did your guru tell you this?

 

inner knowing.

i don't have a guru

[ralis]

21 minutes ago, BigSkyDiamond said:

 

inner knowing.

i don't have a guru

 

But no direct experience as opposed to knowing? To know is intellectual?

Edited yesterday at 03:39 PM by ralis

[BigSkyDiamond]

inner knowing IS direct experience.

 

not talking about "knowledge" 

there is a difference

[ralis]

Just now, BigSkyDiamond said:

inner knowing IS direct experience.

 

not talking about "knowledge" 

there is a difference

 

I am acutely aware of that!

[ralis]

4 minutes ago, BigSkyDiamond said:

inner knowing IS direct experience.

 

not talking about "knowledge" 

there is a difference

 

My point is that the experience you are talking about is not definable with formal semantics. Only by non verbal symbolics.......

[BigSkyDiamond]

32 minutes ago, ralis said:

My point is that the experience you are talking about is not definable with formal semantics. Only by non verbal symbolics.......

 

no, no symbols either.  symbols are limited in the same way and for the same reason that words and language are limited.

 

the descriptors used in the list are "un" and "not"

so not defining; but  indicating what is not

 

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unborn, unformed, uncreated, unchanging, no beginning and no end, no time, no space, no form.

Always was and always will be.

 

 

Edited yesterday at 04:32 PM by BigSkyDiamond

[BigSkyDiamond]

38 minutes ago, ralis said:

But no direct experience as opposed to knowing? To know is intellectual?

 

"knowledge" is intellectual

"inner knowing" is NOT intellectual 

 

Edited yesterday at 04:16 PM by BigSkyDiamond

[ralis]

43 minutes ago, BigSkyDiamond said:

 

no, no symbols either.  symbols are limited in the same way and for the same reason that words and language are limited.

 

the descriptors used in the list are "un" and "not"

so not defining; but  indicating what is not

 

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unborn, unformed, uncreated, unchanging, no beginning and no end, no time, no space, no form.

Always was and always will be.

 

 

 

Symbols point! I am not in agreement. Your post is a submission for the undefinable, then why are you attempting to discuss it?

 

The OP is in regard to ending human madness. In what way will your theory assist in healing madness?

Edited yesterday at 05:02 PM by ralis

[Cobie]

There’s no point arguing with people that do not have the experience. 

[ralis]

38 minutes ago, Cobie said:

There’s no point arguing with people that do not have the experience. 

 

Your implication is I don't have the experience? Big Sky does?

 

I prefer to ask challenging questions as opposed to posing as an 'ego saint.'

Edited yesterday at 05:46 PM by ralis

[ralis]

1 hour ago, Cobie said:

There’s no point arguing with people that do not have the experience. 

 

Anyone that states religious absolutes should be able to back up their belief systems as opposed to repeating endless postulates that defies questions.

 

Big Sky’s post are off topic. 

 

Human behavior has changed very little from cave dwellers to the present condition. Madness remains!

Edited yesterday at 06:10 PM by ralis

[BigSkyDiamond]

1 hour ago, ralis said:

Human behavior has changed very little from cave dwellers to the present condition. Madness remains!

 

"The outer conditions of a persons life will always be found to reflect their inner beliefs.”

   ---James Allen  (1864-1912)

 

Edited yesterday at 07:03 PM by BigSkyDiamond

[BigSkyDiamond]

On 7/4/2025 at 6:46 AM, liminal_luke said:

But denunciatory rhetoric is so much easier and cheaper than good works, and proves a popular temptation.  Yet is it far better to light a candle than to curse the darkness.

 

-- William L. Watkinson

 

 

This bears repeating.

[Apech]

22 minutes ago, BigSkyDiamond said:

 

This bears repeating.

Is it possible to train bears to repeat texts?

 

[ralis]

41 minutes ago, BigSkyDiamond said:

 

"The outer conditions of a persons life will always be found to reflect their inner beliefs.”

   ---James Allen  (1864-1912)

 

 

New Age thinking will solve the human dilemma of pain and madness? Further, will it solve the next AGW feedback loop whereby parts of the biosphere will be uninhabitable? 

Edited yesterday at 07:44 PM by ralis

[old3bob]

6 minutes ago, Apech said:

Is it possible to train bears to repeat texts?

 

 

same question for  two deers