Damo Mitchell – Any Verifiable Demonstration of Skill or Qi Emission?

[Krenx]

1 hour ago, Nungali said:

 

Yes, this is the other side of it but this too has a problem and I have seen it in many fields ;

 

do the 'symptoms'  resolve through practice  ( meaning do the decrease and go away and the practice bring obvious benefit ) 

 

or do the 'symptoms' just keep manifesting, turn into some type of 'practice'  and there is no obvious resolving ?  )

 

I have seen some 'practice' acting out these symptoms for years actually , and they still had the problems they started off with in the beginning that the 'meditations and practices '  were supposedly a remedy for .   These practices can have their own type of 'addictive quality'. 

 

Yup. I think you have to be there in person, and have practiced for awhile to be able to judge. And I can say out of the 6 people who had aggressive spontaneous movements, 3 of them clinged to that spontaneous experience. Enjoyed it, relish in it. Vocally mumbling things like "love, yes, yes, love love". Did not want it to end, do not plan to end it. Have no control over it, has not plan to manage it. Almost knocking other attendees over from their movements and rolling around, when most of them just wanted some silence to experience the subtle conditions of the exercise. 

 

There is a blindness to the setting of the workshop that was really alarming. Alarmed Damo as well. He understood what was happening, and he had to try restraining them eventually. 

Edited June 3 by Krenx

[Nungali]

At least he realized something . 

 

I have had to nurse some casualties that were the result of that practice that went to 'Rajneesh meditation' some self appointed orange gurus put on .

 

They had no interest whatsoever in damage control or after care of  people that were effected adversely from what they instructed them to do . 

 

MANY of these people stopped wearing orange robes ,  stopped their outer association with the movement and masked it ... but still go around teaching various things  from their 'system' under other  guises . 

 

Now, coming from a western perspective  ( which is what the Rajneesh exercises basically are ) , it comes from Wilhelm Reich , known as the farther of modern western body work  - and most 'body workers'  (including some  so called  'light workers ' ) and a whole range of different therapies  as well .

 

The idea is that these movements or convulsions ( or twitches, spasms , pains , paralysis ) in certain parts of the body are the physical counterpart and blockage of internal unresolved psychological issues  .   BUT the next step was to 'work on ' those areas  with massage and similar therapy .

 

Not just to let the person flop all over the floor ! 

 

Fer goodness sakes !    

 

It can get to ridiculous proportions  and become grotesque   !  

 

 

[Vajra Fist]

Edited. Best let sleeping dogs lie.

Edited June 4 by Vajra Fist

[Sahaja]

On 6/2/2025 at 4:35 PM, Krenx said:

 

Yup. I think you have to be there in person, and have practiced for awhile to be able to judge. And I can say out of the 6 people who had aggressive spontaneous movements, 3 of them clinged to that spontaneous experience. Enjoyed it, relish in it. Vocally mumbling things like "love, yes, yes, love love". Did not want it to end, do not plan to end it. Have no control over it, has not plan to manage it. Almost knocking other attendees over from their movements and rolling around, when most of them just wanted some silence to experience the subtle conditions of the exercise. 

 

There is a blindness to the setting of the workshop that was really alarming. Alarmed Damo as well. He understood what was happening, and he had to try restraining them eventually. 

Let me see if I can connect the dots 

 

- 3 people at a class (of what a 100 people?) with Damo had Zi Fa Gong and it made you uncomfortable  so that none of the 50 or so teachers Damo has developed are any good

- allowing people to express energy in a qigong class in the form of zi fa gong makes you uncomfortable so Damo is not a good teacher irrespective of his other accomplishments (establishing multiple schools in TCM, Qigong and Martial arts with 100s of students, many hours of free materials on the internet and publishing numerous books on these subjects with 3 more being published this summer)

- While you acknowledge damo and his teachers are capable of doing qi emissions, your not having to see people with zi fa gong in class is more important than whether a teacher has this skill

 Yes it does sound like you’d be more comfortable in a class where you work with  the qi between your hands and your imagination.

 

 

 

 

 

[Lairg]

On 6/3/2025 at 9:35 AM, Krenx said:

And I can say out of the 6 people who had aggressive spontaneous movements, 3 of them clinged to that spontaneous experience.

 

Aggressive spontaneous movements are usually because there are blockages within the human that a strong energy breaks through temporarily.

 

The events are spectacular but largely indicate the problems of the humans.

 

Still,  if that is all the "spiritual" experience they have .....

[BigSkyDiamond]

On 6/1/2025 at 12:32 AM, Krenx said:

 

But there is a clear pattern I think most people are starting to realize, that not many great students actually come out of the other end of the school/ system. If they did, we would be all interacting with them, attending their workshops. But instead it all keeps pointing back to Damo, which is odd after all these years. You see this odd pattern in a few schools. 

 

 

excellent insights here

[Lairg]

I have noticed that many (all?) spiritual and esoteric movements in the 20th century declined in quality and volume after the death of the founder.

 

Assuming the goodwill of the founders, I deduce that the founders did not know enough to reproduce their own qualities in their followers

 

 

Edited June 5 by Lairg

[Nungali]

2 hours ago, Lairg said:

I have noticed that many (all?) spiritual and esoteric movements in the 20th century declined in quality and volume after the death of the founder.

 

'Spiritual and esoteric  movements' yes .   That might say more about those 'movements' than the founders .

 

Initiatory fraternities / mystery schools ?  At least not one of the main ones .  It seems to have got stronger each successive new leader. 

 

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Assuming the goodwill of the founders, I deduce that the founders did not know enough to reproduce their own qualities in their followers

 

 

 

Again , in the 'spiritual and esoteric' movements  they might have or even seek 'followers'  but not so in the groups I am talking about . neither do they require or want  people to reproduce their own qualities  , that would be 'against the grain'  of the purpose ! 

 

The 'spiritual and esoteric' ' and similar under modern definition  do seem to want to have   this relationship  of 'emulation'  but in  any mystery school 'emulation' should be taken from  the  central character (and sometimes others )  in the  'initiatory drama '  of the 'mystery' of that particular school . 

 

The 'spiritual and esoteric' ,  in this case , represents the person   following  the teachings  of the 'Founder' the analogy  with Christianity   would be  a person  following Christ's   teachings ,  in an initiatory school  they should follow the teaching of the school embodied within the  central character of the mystery , in an analogy with Christianity , then a person would study what technology Christ used to achieve his higher level of self realization  and  utilize that for their own self realization and become 'a Christ ' .  

 

Or a different analogy would be ;   One can become an hermetic  , like Rudolf Steiner was  and study the processes he studied  and  do the initiations  he did .  Or one can learn from Steiner  and become an Anthroposophist  ,  but you will be following the system Steiner developed  and his development , not your own development . 

 

There is some similarity though , after a certain level of initiation , one is supposed to have a realization/s that should be shared and go into the 'education pool ' , eg; 'The College of Hermetic Philosophers' .  

 

Some seem to want follow in others paths  and some want to forge ahead making their own . 

 

What has caused the modern degradation of all this is people wanting to 'quantum jump '   ;   thinking they have the knowledge and validity  to 'wing it'  from the beginning , without the training or ability .  And there have always been people ready to cash in on that desire  and offer all sorts of nonsense to the masses . 

 

 

 

Edited June 5 by Nungali

[forestofclarity]

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