My Experience With Black Magic

[thewheelofortune]

Hello great post i have sent you a dm with some questions 

[Nuralshamal]

Update:
Just messaged with a friend regarding black magic and evil spirits.

I wrote a small bullet point list for him, of all that I've found to be causes of these disturbances, and all I've found to resolve them over the past 10 years.

Thought I would share it here for everyone's benefit:

Causes
1) Black Magic
This is much less widespread than we would think, and most often when people blame black magic for their misery in the western world, it's not true.

However! Black magic is HUGE in Africa, the Middle East and Asia as well. So if you have any family members there, or if you visit these places, it's good to be aware that this possibility is there. Also if you're originally from there, or if many of your social circle are from there, you can also be aware.
 

2) Karmic Debt to souls currently not incarnated or spiritual debt, Daoist ‘yin debt’
I came into contact with the daoist occult idea of yin debt, or karma owed to spirits from previous lifetimes.

No matter the protection, these cannot be stopped until your debt is paid. It can be done through rituals. After I did 3 of these, it stopped.
 

3) Kshetra Palaka, Tu Di, local spirit kings
In both Hinduism, Daoism and lots of occult systems, each local area is governed by a spirit king. If you do any kind of spiritual practice and work with spiritual energies, and this spirit king doesn’t like you, it can create problems. Eg if you live in a Christian nation, but worship or practice with different energies.
 

There are again certain mantras, rituals and offerings used in Daoism and Hinduism to befriend the local spirit king.

When this is done, no black magic or evil spirits can touch you in that particular local area.

Just be aware whenever you go to a new area, his protection cannot follow, and you’ll have to befriend the new local spirit king.
 

4) Conceal your blessings, jealousy and evil eye
Whenever something good happens to you, don’t let anyone know. If you trigger a feeling of lack in others, even your loved ones, involuntarily they will create a negative energy that can harm you.
 

5) Spirits following you home
Restless spirits that don’t want to move on linger in areas of their former life addictions. Eg clubs, brothels, casinos, all the addictions of dancing, eating, gambling, sex etc. If you frequent these places, you can invite them in.
 

6) Destroying own protection
Intake of alcohol, drugs and cigarettes will weaken your normal spiritual protection and allow them to attack you. Also any kind of sinful action like hate, anger, violence, illicit sex etc

7) Enmity with others
If you are not a good person, others will naturally harbor negative thougts and feelings towards you. Thoughts and feelings are also energy. So depending on the intensity, as well as the overall power of that person's energy, this can also harm you. The solution is to work it out, forgive it each and solve the problem

Resolutions
1) Sufism (the spiritual component of Islam, some say predating Islam,  those say it was the original way of the prophets, the 3 wise men, ancient Egypt, Babylon and so on)

1.1 Firstly you purify your energy daily for 7 days (this is done using salawaat connecting to the prophet and the full bismillah)

1.2 then you purify your room daily with blessed water (this is done using ayatul kursi or verse of the throne)

1.3 then you make a spiritual circle of protection around your house (this is done using ayatul kursi and "4 qul" or last 4 verses of the Qur'an, all starting with "qul" which means "say").

1.4 then you maintain all of these daily, and use dhikr to strengthen it (dhikr is reciting the names of Almighty God, al asma ul hosna, there are specific names for protection)

1.5 if purification, protection and increasing your spiritual power is not enough, you "strike back" with 2 verses (ayats) describing how Moses defeated the magicians of pharaoh, it's from surah (chapter) Ta-Ha, verse (ayat) 68-69
 

2) Hindu Sri Vidya
In this system of Goddess worship you open your chakras one by one through rituals. There’s a God or Goddess in each chakra. Varahi in the third eye chakra was used in ancient times for spiritual warfare, she's the protector of sri vidya upasakas or worshippers. After I did a 41 day ritual to her (puja, tarpanam and havan, prayer ritual, water ritual and fire ritual, alongside daily mantra recitation) all stopped. 
 

3) The proper rituals for Kshetra Palaka, Tudi, Local Spirit Kings as well as Yin Debt

4) Get initiation into a true spiritual lineage, this will naturally protect you
 

Conclusion
All of the above are the past 10 years of blood, sweat and tears, no practitioners could save me, only after tremendous strain and suffering did I discover the above facts.

[Lala Nila]

2 hours ago, Nuralshamal said:

Update:
Just messaged with a friend regarding black magic and evil spirits.

I wrote a small bullet point list for him, of all that I've found to be causes of these disturbances, and all I've found to resolve them over the past 10 years.

Thought I would share it here for everyone's benefit:

Causes
1) Black Magic
This is much less widespread than we would think, and most often when people blame black magic for their misery in the western world, it's not true.

However! Black magic is HUGE in Africa, the Middle East and Asia as well. So if you have any family members there, or if you visit these places, it's good to be aware that this possibility is there. Also if you're originally from there, or if many of your social circle are from there, you can also be aware.
 

2) Karmic Debt to souls currently not incarnated or spiritual debt, Daoist ‘yin debt’
I came into contact with the daoist occult idea of yin debt, or karma owed to spirits from previous lifetimes.

No matter the protection, these cannot be stopped until your debt is paid. It can be done through rituals. After I did 3 of these, it stopped.
 

3) Kshetra Palaka, Tu Di, local spirit kings
In both Hinduism, Daoism and lots of occult systems, each local area is governed by a spirit king. If you do any kind of spiritual practice and work with spiritual energies, and this spirit king doesn’t like you, it can create problems. Eg if you live in a Christian nation, but worship or practice with different energies.
 

There are again certain mantras, rituals and offerings used in Daoism and Hinduism to befriend the local spirit king.

When this is done, no black magic or evil spirits can touch you in that particular local area.

Just be aware whenever you go to a new area, his protection cannot follow, and you’ll have to befriend the new local spirit king.
 

4) Conceal your blessings, jealousy and evil eye
Whenever something good happens to you, don’t let anyone know. If you trigger a feeling of lack in others, even your loved ones, involuntarily they will create a negative energy that can harm you.
 

5) Spirits following you home
Restless spirits that don’t want to move on linger in areas of their former life addictions. Eg clubs, brothels, casinos, all the addictions of dancing, eating, gambling, sex etc. If you frequent these places, you can invite them in.
 

6) Destroying own protection
Intake of alcohol, drugs and cigarettes will weaken your normal spiritual protection and allow them to attack you. Also any kind of sinful action like hate, anger, violence, illicit sex etc

7) Enmity with others
If you are not a good person, others will naturally harbor negative thougts and feelings towards you. Thoughts and feelings are also energy. So depending on the intensity, as well as the overall power of that person's energy, this can also harm you. The solution is to work it out, forgive it each and solve the problem

Resolutions
1) Sufism (the spiritual component of Islam, some say predating Islam,  those say it was the original way of the prophets, the 3 wise men, ancient Egypt, Babylon and so on)

1.1 Firstly you purify your energy daily for 7 days (this is done using salawaat connecting to the prophet and the full bismillah)

1.2 then you purify your room daily with blessed water (this is done using ayatul kursi or verse of the throne)

1.3 then you make a spiritual circle of protection around your house (this is done using ayatul kursi and "4 qul" or last 4 verses of the Qur'an, all starting with "qul" which means "say").

1.4 then you maintain all of these daily, and use dhikr to strengthen it (dhikr is reciting the names of Almighty God, al asma ul hosna, there are specific names for protection)

1.5 if purification, protection and increasing your spiritual power is not enough, you "strike back" with 2 verses (ayats) describing how Moses defeated the magicians of pharaoh, it's from surah (chapter) Ta-Ha, verse (ayat) 68-69
 

2) Hindu Sri Vidya
In this system of Goddess worship you open your chakras one by one through rituals. There’s a God or Goddess in each chakra. Varahi in the third eye chakra was used in ancient times for spiritual warfare, she's the protector of sri vidya upasakas or worshippers. After I did a 41 day ritual to her (puja, tarpanam and havan, prayer ritual, water ritual and fire ritual, alongside daily mantra recitation) all stopped. 
 

3) The proper rituals for Kshetra Palaka, Tudi, Local Spirit Kings as well as Yin Debt

4) Get initiation into a true spiritual lineage, this will naturally protect you
 

Conclusion
All of the above are the past 10 years of blood, sweat and tears, no practitioners could save me, only after tremendous strain and suffering did I discover the above facts.

 

Nice write up, thanks for sharing it. 

 

What are your thoughts on what black magic actually is? It seems like most magic of antiquity like in the PGM (as an example) could be considered black magic- Love spells, or any magic that alters/influences the mind of another person, bind/harms another, etc. I find a lot of Arabic magic fascinating, maybe dangerous and overwhelming to delve into. Fun to read about, yet possibly burdened with a lot karmic backlash. What are thoughts? 

 

[Nuralshamal]

41 minutes ago, Lala Nila said:

 

Nice write up, thanks for sharing it. 

 

What are your thoughts on what black magic actually is? It seems like most magic of antiquity like in the PGM (as an example) could be considered black magic- Love spells, or any magic that alters/influences the mind of another person, bind/harms another, etc. I find a lot of Arabic magic fascinating, maybe dangerous and overwhelming to delve into. Fun to read about, yet possibly burdened with a lot karmic backlash. What are thoughts? 

 

Thanks for chiming in! Awesome to exchange with you again
 
If we for simplicity's sake divide the world in 3: 1) the Absolute (pure, unmanifest potential, pre-existence), 2) realm of energy/essence, 3) material manifest world.

All spiritual practice is to "return" to the Absolute. Allah, the Dao, God, Nirvana, Moksha, liberation, salvation.

However for practical purposes, we go to the real of energy and use specific energies for specific purposes.

If you're very powerful, you go straight to the Absolute, because from this field you can generate any energy imaginable, whereas in the realm of energy you can only connect to the few energies within your personal reach.

So black magic is simply hurting yourself or others, or violating free will, whether generated from the Absolute or the realm of energy.

All else is white magic, which is of benefit to yourself and society.

So yes, love/attraction magic ON A SPECIFIC PERSON would be characterized as black magic, whereas GENERAL love/attraction magic is fine. Because you're trying to violate their free will to choose. Whereas general attractiveness, free will is still there, and "the natural flow" of the universe will use its intelligence to connect with the right people.

If you want a new job, you can with no problem make mantras/magic for that, because then the universe will automatically direct you to what's correct for you.

But if you do it FOR A SPECIFIC JOB it can be questionable, as you might be interfering with others free will.

So everything goes, as long as it's not a specific, individual person, job or house/appartment, or something that hurts others.

The very few "permissible" black magic is just like in war; e.g. I am a vegetarian and believe in non-violence, yet I was an officer in the army working with leadership, languages, training and culture.

When I was deployed to Africa, there were jihadist/terrorist attacks on civilians here and there. I had to decide for myself "if I am suddenly present at an attack, should I let myself and others get shot and killed, or should I shoot and kill the terrorist?"

In the end, what came to me was that you should always pick the lesser evil.

E.g. on one hand I get killed, and potentially hundreds of defenseless civilians, or one terrorist gets killed, because I shoot him.

In that case, as seen from the universe, it's better that 1 person dies than 100 people. So I made up my mind.

Obviously the best would be to shoot the guy in the leg and "catch him" alive. Then through re-education about islam in jail or something, he could learn that killing innocents is wrong, and thereby have a second chance in life to walk a new path, instead of having to be killed, die, then get reborn, and face the same situation again and again, until he learns through direct, felt, karmic experience that killing is wrong.

So in that case, which I know is very specific, it would be ok to kill or harm 1 specific person, if hundreds and hundreds of innocents are being hurt and/or killed.

But generally it's best to let the universe punish people with karma, and forgive and move on. Aka don't hurt others with magic, is what I'm trying to say

So "do all you want and need, but minimize hurt" could be a general rule, that's given by Amritananda (my sri vidya guru).

"Choose the lesser evil", that's given by Martinus (my main guy for understanding the universe).

"Never hurt yourself or others, help alleviate the suffering of others when you can" given by my Kundalini Guru Vethathiri.

In between those 3 and my own personal example given above, that would be my general take on white vs black magic.

And so for me ofc, things like meat, alcohol, killing animals or other things like that would be on my own personal "no-no" list for magic, whereas if one eats meat and drinks alcohol anyway, then that kind of magical ritual would be fine for them.

It depends on our own current "level", we just need to be in harmony with where we're at

[Lala Nila]

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So yes, love/attraction magic ON A SPECIFIC PERSON would be characterized as black magic, whereas GENERAL love/attraction magic is fine. Because you're trying to violate their free will to choose. Whereas general attractiveness, free will is still there, and "the natural flow" of the universe will use its intelligence to connect with the right people.
 

 

I would agree with that as well, I think person specific love spells have a propensity of backfiring to be honest. 

 

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 I am a vegetarian and believe in non-violence, yet I was an officer in the army working with leadership, languages, training and culture.

When I was deployed to Africa, there were jihadist/terrorist attacks on civilians here and there. I had to decide for myself "if I am suddenly present at an attack, should I let myself and others get shot and killed, or should I shoot and kill the terrorist?"

 

Just out of curiosity, did you join the army prior to holding a belief of non violence? I know "the army" is vast and you can have non-infantry jobs like Materials Technician where likelihood of seeing combat is pretty slim. 

 

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2 hours ago, Nuralshamal said:

In the end, what came to me was that you should always pick the lesser evil.

 

This must have been a very difficult time of self reflection for you.  

 

What I find particularly interesting is that, assuming that you're Muslim, or have a Muslim cultural background. Do you pray to both Allah yet do puja or Nama japa to other deities as well? Sorry if I'm misunderstanding. Wouldn't being under the protection of Allah's egregore be enough in that regard, could issues not arise from mixing energetic protections?

 

I'm especially interested in how goddess worship fits into that specifically, I think I need to expand my perspective on this matter. To me and my limited knowledge of Islam, they don't appear to be compatible with each other, however I fully acknowledge pre-islamic goddess worship in the Middle East and North Africa. I would (respectfully) appreciate hearing your view on this. I feel that perhaps publicly acknowledgment of the divine feminine might be suppressed in various islamic sects, but is possibly revered in some form that Westerners aren't made aware of. We often painted this "picture" of Islam here in the west and forget about the many scientific, esoteric, artistic contributions Islam has made to the world. Just wondering your 2 cents on all that

 

Lastly, the spicy stuff....Thoughts on Ahmad al-Buni and the Shams al-Ma'arif and other works dealing with what some have called "sorcery."  A lot of Western style magic and fiction writing (HP Lovecraft) has been influenced by his work and works credited to al-Buni. 
 

[Nuralshamal]

Love Spells
Definitely. 

Army
I actually mentioned at the psych eval at 19 years old that I don't want to kill people. 

So I started as a sergent, then platoon commander training soldiers basic training nationally.

However later I was moved to Language and Culture academy due to my language skills.

Then I took the first deployment. They didn't bother reading what I said as a 19 year old :'D was late 20s then. Also had 2 herniated discs in an accident when I was platoon commander, that was also in my file, officially setting me as "8% reduced functionality".

Luckily they saw none of that haha, so 3 deployments later I was promoted to captain and had my own unit at that army academy for many years.

Sufism
I grew up mostly with hinduism, honestly, but in a christian country.

My dad had 2 main gurus when I grew up we visited in India, however when I was a teenager my dad got a sufi shaykh as his personal one-on-one guru. Because his hindu gurus were "sanyasis" living without family, sex, money etc, so he sought support in embodying his spirituality in his family and work life, hence came into contact with this sufi.

So that's the story of my name on here "Nur" it means light, it was given to me by my dad's sufi shaykh. 

I also went into these sufi teachings in late teens and early 20s, but then went deep into hinduism for many years of sadhana.

Then late 20s I returned to sufism and went deeper than just personal development called " 'ilm ul nafsiyya" or science of transforming ego to soul, and went a bit more into " 'ilm ul ghayb" or science of the unseen world. Aka using energies for protection, healing, attracting money etc.

My wife's family's from the Middle East, and sufism's also widespread there. So that's my sufi/islam connection.

Mixing traditions
Yes, generally it's best to avoid mixing.

As I grew up with hinduism and sufism, I've come to see them as quite close.

Both use dhikr or japa (praying with prayer beads), get empowered by the teacher and the lineage, daily meditation, and then of course the whole spiritual journey to moksha (included in sufi 'ilm ul nafsiyya) as well as the more magical or practical side of tantra which corresponds more to the 'ilm ul ghayb.

I believe in One True God, but my intellectual logical understanding of God comes through Martinus' thoughts, but my practical connection to God has come through my hindu and sufi practices. So for me at the end of the day, they complement each other.

But yes, in general it would be best to zoom in on and master just one tradition, but my life has just unfolded like this, hence why I'm like that.

Goddess worship
Great pointers!

Yes, hardline sufis would ofc not condone this at all.

But the most secret traditions of Kabbalah as well as Sufism both teach about the feminine and masculine side of the Divine, and also includes reincarnation, sex magic and other interesting things. But it's obviously kept super secret in fear of being executed, as that is a very real concern if you live there.

 

The Ka'aba is actually in the feminine in Arabic. There used to be Ka'abas all over the Arabian peninsula, embodying different energies. A white Ka'aba (in Yemen as far as I remember), the black Ka'aba in Mecca, there was also a green, red, blue and brown Ka'aba. It was the different energies naturally present in nature at those different spots.

Arabian Magic
Yes, al Buni and Shams al Ma'arif have been hugely influential.

Interestingly a lot of it used sufism in the sense that there are names of God used, ayat and surahs (verse and chapters) from the Qur'an and so on.

However ofc there is also mixed in some things from the contemporary religions that existed alongside Sufism/Islam, and the older religions predating Islam, calling on names, energies or the like from earlier times.

I have not been taught these directly from a shaykh or sufi teacher, all I learnt was purely Qur'anic methods (my teacher might have know some other styles too, but from fear of being persecuted, I think he only teaches what could be defended as legitimate).

[Lala Nila]

Wow, great career you have, despite the injuries! 

 

Yes that makes sense, I know that there was a lot of ideas exchange between Sufism and various Hindu sects, possible Kashmir Shaivism as well. I can't recall the exact details.

 

Thanks for clarifying the concept of goddess worship in the context of Sufism and some of the other elements of the divine feminine in relation to Islam.

 

Yes, I agree that al-Bundi has been extremely influential in many disciplines (astronomy, astrology, math, etc). I can see how some of his work may be dangerous to practice openly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Lairg]

My own observation is that black magicians are being used by inner plane entities - often to propagate galactic wars.

 

The supervisors consider their local operators as disposable

 

 

[Master Logray]

On 8/31/2025 at 5:53 PM, Nuralshamal said:

Update:
Just messaged with a friend regarding black magic and evil spirits.

I wrote a small bullet point list for him, of all that I've found to be causes of these disturbances, and all I've found to resolve them over the past 10 years.

Thought I would share it here for everyone's benefit:

Causes
1) Black Magic
This is much less widespread than we would think, and most often when people blame black magic for their misery in the western world, it's not true.

However! Black magic is HUGE in Africa, the Middle East and Asia as well. So if you have any family members there, or if you visit these places, it's good to be aware that this possibility is there. Also if you're originally from there, or if many of your social circle are from there, you can also be aware.
 

2) Karmic Debt to souls currently not incarnated or spiritual debt, Daoist ‘yin debt’
I came into contact with the daoist occult idea of yin debt, or karma owed to spirits from previous lifetimes.

No matter the protection, these cannot be stopped until your debt is paid. It can be done through rituals. After I did 3 of these, it stopped.
 

3) Kshetra Palaka, Tu Di, local spirit kings
In both Hinduism, Daoism and lots of occult systems, each local area is governed by a spirit king. If you do any kind of spiritual practice and work with spiritual energies, and this spirit king doesn’t like you, it can create problems. Eg if you live in a Christian nation, but worship or practice with different energies.
 

There are again certain mantras, rituals and offerings used in Daoism and Hinduism to befriend the local spirit king.

When this is done, no black magic or evil spirits can touch you in that particular local area.

Just be aware whenever you go to a new area, his protection cannot follow, and you’ll have to befriend the new local spirit king.
 

4) Conceal your blessings, jealousy and evil eye
Whenever something good happens to you, don’t let anyone know. If you trigger a feeling of lack in others, even your loved ones, involuntarily they will create a negative energy that can harm you.
 

5) Spirits following you home
Restless spirits that don’t want to move on linger in areas of their former life addictions. Eg clubs, brothels, casinos, all the addictions of dancing, eating, gambling, sex etc. If you frequent these places, you can invite them in.
 

6) Destroying own protection
Intake of alcohol, drugs and cigarettes will weaken your normal spiritual protection and allow them to attack you. Also any kind of sinful action like hate, anger, violence, illicit sex etc

7) Enmity with others
If you are not a good person, others will naturally harbor negative thougts and feelings towards you. Thoughts and feelings are also energy. So depending on the intensity, as well as the overall power of that person's energy, this can also harm you. The solution is to work it out, forgive it each and solve the problem

Resolutions
1) Sufism (the spiritual component of Islam, some say predating Islam,  those say it was the original way of the prophets, the 3 wise men, ancient Egypt, Babylon and so on)

1.1 Firstly you purify your energy daily for 7 days (this is done using salawaat connecting to the prophet and the full bismillah)

1.2 then you purify your room daily with blessed water (this is done using ayatul kursi or verse of the throne)

1.3 then you make a spiritual circle of protection around your house (this is done using ayatul kursi and "4 qul" or last 4 verses of the Qur'an, all starting with "qul" which means "say").

1.4 then you maintain all of these daily, and use dhikr to strengthen it (dhikr is reciting the names of Almighty God, al asma ul hosna, there are specific names for protection)

1.5 if purification, protection and increasing your spiritual power is not enough, you "strike back" with 2 verses (ayats) describing how Moses defeated the magicians of pharaoh, it's from surah (chapter) Ta-Ha, verse (ayat) 68-69
 

2) Hindu Sri Vidya
In this system of Goddess worship you open your chakras one by one through rituals. There’s a God or Goddess in each chakra. Varahi in the third eye chakra was used in ancient times for spiritual warfare, she's the protector of sri vidya upasakas or worshippers. After I did a 41 day ritual to her (puja, tarpanam and havan, prayer ritual, water ritual and fire ritual, alongside daily mantra recitation) all stopped. 
 

3) The proper rituals for Kshetra Palaka, Tudi, Local Spirit Kings as well as Yin Debt

4) Get initiation into a true spiritual lineage, this will naturally protect you
 

Conclusion
All of the above are the past 10 years of blood, sweat and tears, no practitioners could save me, only after tremendous strain and suffering did I discover the above facts.

 

 

Your recommendations make sense.  But from your post in 2024, your own problem of flying objects and your girl friend's were different in nature.   While your problem could be countered by normal religious or magical means, your girl friend's case was a magical warfare.   Not many can handle or willing to be involved.  Their tools could have been useful, but they lack the power or knowledge.  Anyhow all magicians have specializations.

 

From your experience, can I say that cross religion/territory magic/counter magic works?   e.g.  a Sufi solution vs a Hindu problem in Europe?  

 

[Lala Nila]

30 minutes ago, Master Logray said:

 

 

Your recommendations make sense.  But from your post in 2024, your own problem of flying objects and your girl friend's were different in nature.   While your problem could be countered by normal religious or magical means, your girl friend's case was a magical warfare.   Not many can handle or willing to be involved.  Their tools could have been useful, but they lack the power or knowledge.  Anyhow all magicians have specializations.

 

From your experience, can I say that cross religion/territory magic/counter magic works?   e.g.  a Sufi solution vs a Hindu problem in Europe?  

 

 

Based off this comment, would you say that defence magic only goes so far and that (perhaps) implementing offence means (if you know them) or by asking someone who does and use all tools necessary? What would you have done personally in this case? I'm not familiar with happened with Nuralshamal's girlfriend, why did she become targeted? And hopefully is ok now. 

[Master Logray]

15 minutes ago, Lala Nila said:

 

Based off this comment, would you say that defence magic only goes so far and that (perhaps) implementing offence means (if you know them) or by asking someone who does and use all tools necessary? What would you have done personally in this case? I'm not familiar with happened with Nuralshamal's girlfriend, why did she become targeted? And hopefully is ok now. 

 

 

Militarily speaking, defence cannot be forever.   My place is still having a tradition of MaoShan, 6 Yam and other magical faction of Taoist or folk magic (Neidan is actually a small faction of Taoism).  It is common to get professional help to ward off or capture ghosts, sometimes even for Christians.  It could be free to USD100 or USD1000 for a home or 10 times more for famous magicians.   But it is a different story if the other side is another magician.   Both sides could be enemies forever and it is not worthwhile to help you with whatever sum you are going to pay.  

 

This kind of scenario (international warfare) happens and mainly involve magicians in South East Asia where even Buddhists are involved.   The best place to get magicians or high standing monks would be Thailand.   Taiwan has a sizable population.   The real danger is not only they swindle money or their magic backfire, other than being defeated.   Some of these "helps" could be as bad as your "enemy" and multiply your problems. 

 

Nuralshamal's situation is in his previous lengthy post.  There could be more story than that since a simple envy would not call for a deadly magician to act.   Let him tell you the details if he wants to.

 

 

[Lala Nila]

31 minutes ago, Master Logray said:

 

 

Militarily speaking, defence cannot be forever.   My place is still having a tradition of MaoShan, 6 Yam and other magical faction of Taoist or folk magic (Neidan is actually a small faction of Taoism).  It is common to get professional help to ward off or capture ghosts, sometimes even for Christians.  It could be free to USD100 or USD1000 for a home or 10 times more for famous magicians.   But it is a different story if the other side is another magician.   Both sides could be enemies forever and it is not worthwhile to help you with whatever sum you are going to pay.  

 

This kind of scenario (international warfare) happens and mainly involve magicians in South East Asia where even Buddhists are involved.   The best place to get magicians or high standing monks would be Thailand.   Taiwan has a sizable population.   The real danger is not only they swindle money or their magic backfire, other than being defeated.   Some of these "helps" could be as bad as your "enemy" and multiply your problems. 

 

Nuralshamal's situation is in his previous lengthy post.  There could be more story than that since a simple envy would not call for a deadly magician to act.   Let him tell you the details if he wants to.

 

 

 

Awesome, reply thank you! Yes, I've heard about a lot of strong magick coming from Thailand actually. Even some basic amulets from a trusted Arjahn could offer good protection, but as you stated above you need to have the $.

 

 

[Nuralshamal]

@Master Logray

Hey, thanks for your comments.

Split Definition
Yes, regarding the first, I would split it up into 2: 1) spirits, 2) black magic.

Cross Magic
Regarding "cross" magic, what I've found is that energy is simply energy, nothing is inherently stronger than others.

The energy of a traditional lineage (sampradaya in India, silsila in sufism) is manifold stronger than a guy riding solo.

Then on top of the lineage energy, the next factor is the power of the individual practitioner.

Finally is "the type" of energy. There are so many ways to classify this, in hinduism we could say the 3 gunas of tamas, rajas and satva, or in sufism we would say black or white.

In daoism it would maybe be according to 5 elements.

In tantrism you could define according to the 6 magical actions:

Shānti (pacification)

Puṣṭi (enrichment)

Vashīkaraṇa (attraction/subjugation)

Stambhana (immobilization)

Uccāṭana (expulsion/separation)

Māraṇa (destruction)

In sufism we work with lataif, subtle energy centres, each representing a prophet, and each a particular quality of energy.

Red latifa is strength, associated with aliveness, vitality, health and fearlessness (it's David as he was small yet fought Goliath),

Yellow latifa is joy, associated with curiosity, playfulness, contentment, happiness (it's Adam, as he curiously named animals in paradise - some traditions take Abraham, as he was a friendly, sharing guy, sharing grass lots with his cousin Lot freely),

Green latifa is compassion, associated with tenderness, healing, humanness, not fearing pain (it's associated with Muhammad, as he was very human, all-encompassing in his dealings, marriage, trade, politics, religion, prayer, psychic powers, prophesy etc)

Black latifa is peace and power, losing fear of death, associated with Jesus (he literally came back from the dead)

White latifa is solidity, stability, trust, patience and support (it's Moses, trusting God step by step through the desert).

I feel that I tried to solve all our problems with protection, black and white energy, the peace and stability energy, spreading that everywhere from ayatul kursi and other select verses.

This didn't help, so I followed Jesus' advice "pray for those who curse you" and made a specific du'a or prayer given by Muhammad for forgiveness and friendship (green and yellow energy). This also didn't help.

The one that stopped all was the black energy of power, as in that particular ayat (verse) is a counter-curse at the end "no matter where the sorceror goes, he will never thrive", meaning that as long as the other person follows adharma or haram ways of life, he cannot suceed. But if he goes to the straight path, dharma, halal, he will live normally.

I interpret that as a "punch back". No longer just shielding, blocking or befriending, but actually striking. That's what worked.

Taiwan, Thailand, MaoShan
Can you explain more about your teacher, lineage, experiences and cultivation in these areas? Would love to know more

[Nuralshamal]

1 hour ago, Lala Nila said:

 

Based off this comment, would you say that defence magic only goes so far and that (perhaps) implementing offence means (if you know them) or by asking someone who does and use all tools necessary? What would you have done personally in this case? I'm not familiar with happened with Nuralshamal's girlfriend, why did she become targeted? And hopefully is ok now. 

 

15 minutes ago, Lala Nila said:

 

Awesome, reply thank you! Yes, I've heard about a lot of strong magick coming from Thailand actually. Even some basic amulets from a trusted Arjahn could offer good protection, but as you stated above you need to have the $.

 

 

My Story
Yes, it's all there in page 1 of this thread.

In short summary, out of jealousy some part of the family still living back in the Middle East (we live in Europe) paid a black magician to curse her.

Yes, all is well now.

Thailand
I've seen a LOT of youtube videos of magic pracitioners in Thailand, I must say I've been very impressed with a lot of them! Firstly they're sweet, human and kind in personality (compared to the more dry and unemotional Chinese) and secondly I really feel power from them.

What are your own experiences/connection to Thailand and the Thai tradition?

[Lala Nila]

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What are your own experiences/connection to Thailand and the Thai tradition?

 

None, I just read a lot and like to research various traditions. I was mostly interested in magick of South East Asia (Java, specifically), comparing folklore and nuances from a few different areas to get a feel for it, which had lead me to Thai magic. Lot's of power there, lots of fakes too! But I definitely agree that they are sweet and kind. Chinese people are sweet and kind too, it just presented a little differently at first, more guarded initially and that's ok too. Honestly, I've met sweet and kind people from everywhere and having said that, some people are just assholes, no matter where they come from. lol 

 

Thanks for sharing that story. Jealously is such a ridiculous thing to deal with, so petty and is very often found with in your own damn family or "friend" group.  

 

I'm happy you guys were able to move past it and move on!

 

[MIchael80]

On 31.8.2025 at 11:53 AM, Nuralshamal said:

Update:
Just messaged with a friend regarding black magic and evil spirits.

I wrote a small bullet point list for him, of all that I've found to be causes of these disturbances, and all I've found to resolve them over the past 10 years.

Thought I would share it here for everyone's benefit:

Causes
1) Black Magic
This is much less widespread than we would think, and most often when people blame black magic for their misery in the western world, it's not true.

However! Black magic is HUGE in Africa, the Middle East and Asia as well. So if you have any family members there, or if you visit these places, it's good to be aware that this possibility is there. Also if you're originally from there, or if many of your social circle are from there, you can also be aware.
 

2) Karmic Debt to souls currently not incarnated or spiritual debt, Daoist ‘yin debt’
I came into contact with the daoist occult idea of yin debt, or karma owed to spirits from previous lifetimes.

No matter the protection, these cannot be stopped until your debt is paid. It can be done through rituals. After I did 3 of these, it stopped.
 

3) Kshetra Palaka, Tu Di, local spirit kings
In both Hinduism, Daoism and lots of occult systems, each local area is governed by a spirit king. If you do any kind of spiritual practice and work with spiritual energies, and this spirit king doesn’t like you, it can create problems. Eg if you live in a Christian nation, but worship or practice with different energies.
 

There are again certain mantras, rituals and offerings used in Daoism and Hinduism to befriend the local spirit king.

When this is done, no black magic or evil spirits can touch you in that particular local area.

Just be aware whenever you go to a new area, his protection cannot follow, and you’ll have to befriend the new local spirit king.
 

4) Conceal your blessings, jealousy and evil eye
Whenever something good happens to you, don’t let anyone know. If you trigger a feeling of lack in others, even your loved ones, involuntarily they will create a negative energy that can harm you.
 

5) Spirits following you home
Restless spirits that don’t want to move on linger in areas of their former life addictions. Eg clubs, brothels, casinos, all the addictions of dancing, eating, gambling, sex etc. If you frequent these places, you can invite them in.
 

6) Destroying own protection
Intake of alcohol, drugs and cigarettes will weaken your normal spiritual protection and allow them to attack you. Also any kind of sinful action like hate, anger, violence, illicit sex etc

7) Enmity with others
If you are not a good person, others will naturally harbor negative thougts and feelings towards you. Thoughts and feelings are also energy. So depending on the intensity, as well as the overall power of that person's energy, this can also harm you. The solution is to work it out, forgive it each and solve the problem

Resolutions
1) Sufism (the spiritual component of Islam, some say predating Islam,  those say it was the original way of the prophets, the 3 wise men, ancient Egypt, Babylon and so on)

1.1 Firstly you purify your energy daily for 7 days (this is done using salawaat connecting to the prophet and the full bismillah)

1.2 then you purify your room daily with blessed water (this is done using ayatul kursi or verse of the throne)

1.3 then you make a spiritual circle of protection around your house (this is done using ayatul kursi and "4 qul" or last 4 verses of the Qur'an, all starting with "qul" which means "say").

1.4 then you maintain all of these daily, and use dhikr to strengthen it (dhikr is reciting the names of Almighty God, al asma ul hosna, there are specific names for protection)

1.5 if purification, protection and increasing your spiritual power is not enough, you "strike back" with 2 verses (ayats) describing how Moses defeated the magicians of pharaoh, it's from surah (chapter) Ta-Ha, verse (ayat) 68-69
 

2) Hindu Sri Vidya
In this system of Goddess worship you open your chakras one by one through rituals. There’s a God or Goddess in each chakra. Varahi in the third eye chakra was used in ancient times for spiritual warfare, she's the protector of sri vidya upasakas or worshippers. After I did a 41 day ritual to her (puja, tarpanam and havan, prayer ritual, water ritual and fire ritual, alongside daily mantra recitation) all stopped. 
 

3) The proper rituals for Kshetra Palaka, Tudi, Local Spirit Kings as well as Yin Debt

4) Get initiation into a true spiritual lineage, this will naturally protect you
 

Conclusion
All of the above are the past 10 years of blood, sweat and tears, no practitioners could save me, only after tremendous strain and suffering did I discover the above facts.

Hi! 

Would you share the rituals for number 2 and 3 please?

Thank you! 🙏🙏

Edited 2 hours ago by MIchael80

[Nuralshamal]

30 minutes ago, Lala Nila said:

 

None, I just read a lot and like to research various traditions. I was mostly interested in magick of South East Asia (Java, specifically), comparing folklore and nuances from a few different areas to get a feel for it, which had lead me to Thai magic. Lot's of power there, lots of fakes too! But I definitely agree that they are sweet and kind. Chinese people are sweet and kind too, it just presented a little differently at first, more guarded initially and that's ok too. Honestly, I've met sweet and kind people from everywhere and having said that, some people are just assholes, no matter where they come from. lol 

 

Thanks for sharing that story. Jealously is such a ridiculous thing to deal with, so petty and is very often found with in your own damn family or "friend" group.  

 

I'm happy you guys were able to move past it and move on!

 

Thanks for sharing!

Yes ofc, human beings are human beings

Btw what would you say have been your top 3 greatest hits in spirituality? Teachers, practices and so on, would love to hear more

[Nuralshamal]

19 minutes ago, MIchael80 said:

Hi! 

Would you share the rituals for number 2 and 3 please?

Thank you! 🙏🙏

Hey Michael,

Do you mean Yin Debt and local spirit king?

Yin Debt is quite simple, maybe it can be found online somewhere?

It's just lighting candle and incense, saying different mantras and prayers, offering fruits, then a burning ceremony of symbolic money (paper ingots in a bag or an incense mountain), then end with mantras again.

Local spirit king is included in 8 great mantras to be said daily in Daoism (da ba shen zhou).

In Hindu rituals it's done at the end of a ritual by drawing a simple yantra to the right using sandalwood powder, placing a copper plate on it, then offering some of the naivedyam (food offering) that was used during the main ritual worship, then covering it with water and milk, say a mantra to confer to spirits and send them away, then throw remains in the SW outside your house, then come back and wash all.

I can't really share any full detailed ritual here (it's too long), but if you're interested I can ofc point to some of the schools/teachers/courses where these are included

One link for example to the 8 great mantras in Daoism is here https://fiveimmortals.com/the-eight-great-incantation/

At 01:07:17 the girl draws the yantra to the right of the devata, place 3 food offerings, give a drop of milk and water, then clap and snap your fingers while you say a mantra https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNvfcF0DZ-s 

Edited 2 hours ago by Nuralshamal

[MIchael80]

1 hour ago, Nuralshamal said:

Hey Michael,

Do you mean Yin Debt and local spirit king?

Yin Debt is quite simple, maybe it can be found online somewhere?

It's just lighting candle and incense, saying different mantras and prayers, offering fruits, then a burning ceremony of symbolic money (paper ingots in a bag or an incense mountain), then end with mantras again.

Local spirit king is included in 8 great mantras to be said daily in Daoism (da ba shen zhou).

In Hindu rituals it's done at the end of a ritual by drawing a simple yantra to the right using sandalwood powder, placing a copper plate on it, then offering some of the naivedyam (food offering) that was used during the main ritual worship, then covering it with water and milk, say a mantra to confer to spirits and send them away, then throw remains in the SW outside your house, then come back and wash all.

I can't really share any full detailed ritual here (it's too long), but if you're interested I can ofc point to some of the schools/teachers/courses where these are included

One link for example to the 8 great mantras in Daoism is here https://fiveimmortals.com/the-eight-great-incantation/

At 01:07:17 the girl draws the yantra to the right of the devata, place 3 food offerings, give a drop of milk and water, then clap and snap your fingers while you say a mantra https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNvfcF0DZ-s 

Thank you for your time! 🙏🙏😊