My Experience With Black Magic

[Master Logray]

23 minutes ago, EFreethought said:

 

The English are not Celts. Some parts of Scotland have a strong Norse influence as well.

 

 

What is the common geographical term for England, Scotland and Ireland together?

[الضفدع الحكيم]

On 8‏/9‏/2025 at 10:51 AM, Nuralshamal said:

great points! 
 

yes, as interesting as all this is, we’ve drifted completely away from the topic. 
 

SO! 
 

back to black magic. 
 

it sucks, and is super prevalent in the Middle East.

 

in my wife’s village where she grew up, it was standard practice and you learnt since you were small.

 

different things you could do, eg if someone has gotten a new home and you’re jealous, you write some things from the Quran in reverse on a slip of paper, say a curse, blow on it, crumble it up and hide it in the new home somewhere not to be found. As long as it’s there, it’ll give bad energy to the new home.

 

Similarly at weddings, again, if you’re jealous, you can tie a string or a ribbon say on the chair, the utensils or any other thing to be used by the target, again saying a curse and blowing on it. If the victim then uses the thing, they will get cursed.

 

there was also another trick, again if you feel jealous that they ‘have it better’ than you, where you peel a fruit, etch signs into the peel, then hide it in the home of the target during your visit. The peel again being ‘trash’ so giving off bad energy.

 

these are simple and Childs play versions, but everyone in the village had learnt basic ‘black magic 101’ as kids.

 

so just imagine if you really want to go into it, the ancient systems found there all the way back to ancient pre-Islam Persia and ancient Babylon, using blood, piss, feces, and systematic cultivation of dark energy over decades. 
 

And just to remind, this young dude who cursed us, Zhongxian Wu inspite of cultivating since the age of 4, having all magical powers, healing, having done 1 year dark retreat in a cave, you name it, he couldn’t remove it.

 

Chunyi Lin who’s also got healing and psychic powers, having fasted 30 days in a cave meditating until he could see with his eyes closed, he also wasn’t powerful enough to remove it.

 

Hindu Swami who’s done sadhana since his teenage years, having done tantric graveyard sadhana and tamasic worship using blood to control spirits, having siddhi of Mahavidyas, he also couldn’t remove it.

 

sufi having done innumerable retreats in Iran and Afghanistan, the most psychic and clairvoyant I ever met, having healing lots of people on the brink of death deemed unsaveable due to blood cancer, marrow cancer, brain cancer, you name it, he also couldn’t remove it.

 

this is serious stuff, and from what I gather it’s a kind of specialty niche in cultivation, that unless you’ve gone deep, you cannot counter it, no matter how strong your general energy is, and even if you at a high level in tamasic tantric controlling spirits. 
 

So I feel you need to train in this specific area in order to be able to fight someone who’s also trained specifically in this area. And people who do that are extremely rare, even the most powerful masters I met in my life (all cited above), as well as my SKY masters, none could remove it. 

I didn't expect to find another Arab in this place. It's strange and wonderful to see another Arab interested in esotericism and Eastern religions. You're absolutely right, Brother Nuralshamal, The practice of black magic is widespread in the Middle East, and not just in the Middle East, but also in other North African countries. This type of practice is particularly prevalent in countries like Morocco, Iraq, Egypt, and Yemen. This is very sad, it shows the amount of hatred people have for each other in those countries

[Master Logray]

1 hour ago, الضفدع الحكيم said:

I didn't expect to find another Arab in this place. It's strange and wonderful to see another Arab interested in esotericism and Eastern religions. You're absolutely right, Brother Nuralshamal, The practice of black magic is widespread in the Middle East, and not just in the Middle East, but also in other North African countries. This type of practice is particularly prevalent in countries like Morocco, Iraq, Egypt, and Yemen. This is very sad, it shows the amount of hatred people have for each other in those countries

 

Nuralshamal is multi racial.  Does practice black magic in these countries bring great risks?

[الضفدع الحكيم]

1 hour ago, Master Logray said:

 

Nuralshamal is multi racial.  Does practice black magic in these countries bring great risks?

Practicing black magic causes many risks, even to the practitioner himself. For example, there was a famous magician in Egypt, a student of Al-Tawkhi, who was an experienced magician in black magic, and he was found dead while practicing black magic, His face showed signs of horror and fear, This story is very widespread in the middle east, but I honestly do not know whether it happened or not, but its content is true, which is that practicing black magic can be very dangerous, even for the practitioner himself, and not just for others, You can look at the pages of Shams al-Ma'arif al-Kubra, especially the older editions, and you will feel uneasy and intimidated.

[Lairg]

1 hour ago, الضفدع الحكيم said:

Practicing black magic causes many risks, even to the practitioner himself.

 

By one account, the real magicians are not human - but like to use humans as disposable props in their magic

 

 

[Nungali]

3 hours ago, الضفدع الحكيم said:

Practicing black magic causes many risks, even to the practitioner himself. For example, there was a famous magician in Egypt, a student of Al-Tawkhi, who was an experienced magician in black magic, and he was found dead while practicing black magic, His face showed signs of horror and fear, This story is very widespread in the middle east, but I honestly do not know whether it happened or not, but its content is true, which is that practicing black magic can be very dangerous, even for the practitioner himself, and not just for others, You can look at the pages of Shams al-Ma'arif al-Kubra, especially the older editions, and you will feel uneasy and intimidated.

 

 

Even without that story ,   the  'virtuous' will realize that these practices  are bad 'in themselves ' . 

 

I will share a passage with you about using magic ; 

 

'' ... Be thou therefore prompt and active as the Sylphs, but avoid frivolity and caprice; be energetic and strong like the Salamanders, but avoid irritability and ferocity; be flexible and attentive to images like the Undines, but avoid idleness and changeability; be laborious and patient like the Gnomes, but avoid grossness and avarice.

 

So shalt thou gradually develop the powers of thy soul, and fit thyself to command the Spirits of the elements. For wert thou to summon the Gnomes to pander to thine avarice, thou wouldst no longer command them, but they would command thee. Wouldst thou abuse the pure beings of the woods and mountains to fill thy coffers and satisfy thy hunger of Gold? Wouldst thou debase the Spirits of Living Fire to serve thy wrath and hatred? Wouldst thou violate the purity of the Souls of the Waters to pander to thy lust of debauchery? Wouldst thou force the Spirits of the Evening Breeze to minister to thy folly and caprice? Know that with such desires thou canst but attract the Weak, not the Strong, and in that case the Weak will have power over thee. ''

 

- In the modern world I think it is easy to see how many have become  slaves to ' the hunger of gold ' . 

 

and also 'living fire to serve thy wrath and hatred '  

 

 

- actually one can see  modern civilization  (if not the whole of 'mankind' )  abusing ALL the elemental forces .  And we can see , or are starting to see the results . 

 

Do you know the story of Faust ?   He wanted all those powers so did a deal with Mephistopheles  .   he was a type of icon for an era . Some have said the modern Faust is the scientist .  He traded his soul for technological power . 

 

How will that end up ?  

 

 

[Master Logray]

18 hours ago, الضفدع الحكيم said:

Practicing black magic causes many risks, even to the practitioner himself. For example, there was a famous magician in Egypt, a student of Al-Tawkhi, who was an experienced magician in black magic, and he was found dead while practicing black magic, His face showed signs of horror and fear, This story is very widespread in the middle east, but I honestly do not know whether it happened or not, but its content is true, which is that practicing black magic can be very dangerous, even for the practitioner himself, and not just for others, You can look at the pages of Shams al-Ma'arif al-Kubra, especially the older editions, and you will feel uneasy and intimidated.

 

Sorry, I mean would practising dark arts endanger the person from other humans like religious fanatics, especially Iraq and Yemen ?   

 

[Nungali]

8 hours ago, Master Logray said:

 

Sorry, I mean would practising dark arts endanger the person from other humans like religious fanatics, especially Iraq and Yemen ?   

 

 

Certainly !   Not even those practicing 'black magic'   but modern people that have a variant  traditional  'affiliation'   - for Iraq he Kurdish Yazidis spring immediately to mind ;

 

'' The Yazidis, or Azdis, frequently called "Devil Worshippers" are a small and obsure religious sect (numbering about 100,000) of western Asia. They are scattered in Syria and Southern Russia, but are concentrated chiefly in the mountains of Kurdistan and Sinjar Hills near Mosul in Northern Iraq.''

 

 

- a long history of oppression, suppression and violence against them ; 

 

https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/229404134.pdf

 

Yemen ?   All one has to do is pass by through the straights there  - let's face it, some of those people will do violence to people of the same religion !  Just a different 'branch'  of the one they belong to . 

[Nuralshamal]

On 9.9.2025 at 6:51 PM, الضفدع الحكيم said:

I didn't expect to find another Arab in this place. It's strange and wonderful to see another Arab interested in esotericism and Eastern religions. You're absolutely right, Brother Nuralshamal, The practice of black magic is widespread in the Middle East, and not just in the Middle East, but also in other North African countries. This type of practice is particularly prevalent in countries like Morocco, Iraq, Egypt, and Yemen. This is very sad, it shows the amount of hatred people have for each other in those countries

My cousin's husband is from Morocco, he also told me these stories.

How poor and desperate people do black magic in the street while begging or scamming people for money.

Yes, unfortunately each nation or people has certain strengths and weaknesses, or we could say blessings and tests from God.

A huge test in the muslim ummah in general is jealousy and hate, competing with your close ones instead of cooperating, and social comparison and judgement is an enormeous weight pulling also down on the already burdened shoulders of Middle East.

Whereas I would say the joy of life, love of living, zest and ofc a natural social inclination as well as enjoyment of gathering together, having food together, just enjoying each other is a big blessing of these people. Just being human, and aliveness itself.

I always enjoy when we just get together as a family, even if we speak different languages, just sitting and having tea together, sharing funny/silly insta videos I feel so connected to my extended family members. This is a big blessing without a doubt too.

 

[Lala Nila]

11 hours ago, Nungali said:

 The Yazidis, or Azdis, frequently called "Devil Worshippers" are a small and obsure religious sect (numbering about 100,000) of western Asia. They are scattered in Syria and Southern Russia, but are concentrated chiefly in the mountains of Kurdistan and Sinjar Hills near Mosul in Northern Iraq.''

 

 

 

It's disgusting what happened to the Yazidi tribes. Melek Taus (The peacock god)  is very interesting- embodying eternal light and considered the leader of the archangels, it's a very old religion with practices going back to ancient Mesopotamia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawûsî_Melek. 

[-ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ-]

On 09/09/2025 at 6:51 PM, الضفدع الحكيم said:

You're absolutely right, Brother Nuralshamal, The practice of black magic is widespread in the Middle East, and not just in the Middle East, but also in other North African countries. This type of practice is particularly prevalent in countries like Morocco, Iraq, Egypt, and Yemen. This is very sad, it shows the amount of hatred people have for each other in those countries

 

It’s very similar in South East Asia too. Black magic is prevalent amongst all religions and ethnic groups.

 

In Singapore my Chinese friend’s restaurant would have black magic curses left by the back entrance from competing businesses. My Malay friend had a sibling that passed away from a miscarriage, almost every time they go to visit the grave there would be the leftovers of a ritual done by others over it.

 

There is no shortage of hate too! Even amongst the Buddhist nations of Thailand, Myanmar and Cambodia they are eternally fighting each other. 

[Master Logray]

On 9/8/2025 at 3:51 PM, Nuralshamal said:

 

it sucks, and is super prevalent in the Middle East.

 

in my wife’s village where she grew up, it was standard practice and you learnt since you were small.

 

different things you could do, eg if someone has gotten a new home and you’re jealous, you write some things from the Quran in reverse on a slip of paper, say a curse, blow on it, crumble it up and hide it in the new home somewhere not to be found. As long as it’s there, it’ll give bad energy to the new home.

 

Similarly at weddings, again, if you’re jealous, you can tie a string or a ribbon say on the chair, the utensils or any other thing to be used by the target, again saying a curse and blowing on it. If the victim then uses the thing, they will get cursed.

 

there was also another trick, again if you feel jealous that they ‘have it better’ than you, where you peel a fruit, etch signs into the peel, then hide it in the home of the target during your visit. The peel again being ‘trash’ so giving off bad energy.

 

these are simple and Childs play versions, but everyone in the village had learnt basic ‘black magic 101’ as kids.

 

And just to remind, this young dude who cursed us, Zhongxian Wu inspite of cultivating since the age of 4, having all magical powers, healing, having done 1 year dark retreat in a cave, you name it, he couldn’t remove it.

 

Chunyi Lin who’s also got healing and psychic powers, having fasted 30 days in a cave meditating until he could see with his eyes closed, he also wasn’t powerful enough to remove it.

 

 

 

As far as Chinese is concerned, high level cultivators, big religious figures, scholars, Chinese medicine doctors, qigong teachers, kung fu masters, even ZhengYi Taoist who do ceremonies and rituals, usually don't have the power, skill, knowledge and exposure to counter black magics.   With luck they could solve some problems but not all, and not fully.   Energy alone is not useful in many circumstances.  Find the right person by trial and error perhaps. 

 

Another reason is the physical component.  For example, in south west China and south east Asia, there is a kind of magic called Tame Head or Gong Tau.   They have all the black magic stuff as in other parts of the world.  But since these areas are tropical jungle and inhabitants are not primitive tribes, their in depth knowledge in plants, insects, animals and how these interact, are not surpassed and remain largely unknown.  When these biological/physical components are applied in conjunction with normal black magic, it is unstoppable.

 

In the old days, many Hong Kong men went to south east Asia, they frequently involved with local women.  Normally it was just transaction and fake love.   However sometimes both sides went deep and developed some genuine feelings in addition to attraction of money and outward appearance.   

  

Some women wanted to keep the men forever and used Gong Tau, with the help of magicians.  The men was told they can go back to HK but had to return within one or 2 years, or cannot leave the country at all.  If not, they would face horrible death.  Sometimes the men, realizing their situation, would ask for help from HK's own Gong Tau Sifu or other Taoist sects priests to help.  And there came the international magical war.

 

There was a founder of most famous TV station in Chinese community in the world and he also being descendant of a powerful family in Singapore and HK, who said to have encountered this kind of unfortunate incident.  He went back and developed sicknesses, both western and Chinese doctors could not do anything.  During his autopsy, bugs were found climbing out from his body.  Another version  his body was full of Amoeba like organisms.   It was almost a romantic tragedy, because some Gong Tau would exact a price on the requestor when attack is serious, it means both will die.

 

If this was true, then the magic was potent because they have physical characteristics in addition to curses, deities help or symbolic magic.   The victim is geo located - cannot leave a certain region taking into account the temperature and humidity.   It also contains a timer, the disease would not blow up within a specified dormant period.    Sometimes a grace period is allowed by ingesting additional substances, that means a suppressant or stimulating the immunity system temporarily.

 

The lesson from then on would be never have feelings when visiting these countries for intimate company or pleasure, never visit the same establishment again and never the same woman, pay fully, beware of spiked drinks and food.  Nowadays it is not heard of any more.

 

Back to the Kurdistan situation, I think severing the delivery mechanism could help i.e. burn everything that taken out from Kurdistan, or sell them.   If it is important, cleanse it with holy water or salt water, bring to churches, put it under the sun,  buried in the ground or whatever popular in your countries.   If it had been serious, cutting the hair or shaving the head might even help.  Just in case there are some physical components embedded somewhere.

 

[Nungali]

10 hours ago, Lala Nila said:

 

It's disgusting what happened to the Yazidi tribes. Melek Taus (The peacock god)  is very interesting- embodying eternal light and considered the leader of the archangels, it's a very old religion with practices going back to ancient Mesopotamia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawûsî_Melek. 

 

... and the Kurds in general . As well as having all sorts of trouble on 'all sides'  (of Kurdistan ) they often get used by  governments to do things those governments dont want to face , and then after, get abandoned  to face the repercussions themselves .. treating them like pawns in the game of chess . 

 

I have a few older posts here  on  the YPJ   ;

 

 

 

[Nungali]

10 hours ago, -ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ- said:

 

It’s very similar in South East Asia too. Black magic is prevalent amongst all religions and ethnic groups.

 

In Singapore my Chinese friend’s restaurant would have black magic curses left by the back entrance from competing businesses. My Malay friend had a sibling that passed away from a miscarriage, almost every time they go to visit the grave there would be the leftovers of a ritual done by others over it.

 

There is no shortage of hate too! Even amongst the Buddhist nations of Thailand, Myanmar and Cambodia they are eternally fighting each other. 

 

'Witchcraft'  /  black magic is  also a problem in Africa .  Its especially nasty in a few cases where children have been involved .

 

- and I dont mean people and kids  in a circle 'calling up the devil'  , it can involve kidnapping ,  slavery,  imprisonment torture and murder .

[Nuralshamal]

On 11.9.2025 at 12:54 PM, Lala Nila said:

 

It's disgusting what happened to the Yazidi tribes. Melek Taus (The peacock god)  is very interesting- embodying eternal light and considered the leader of the archangels, it's a very old religion with practices going back to ancient Mesopotamia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawûsî_Melek. 

Yes, some even say the were originally South Indias who fled/migrated.

If you see their temple in Lalesh, it's very hindu like in structure. Further, Yazd means "south", so it could be an explanation for the name "yazidi" - people from the south.

And just like so other ancient Middle Eastern spiritualities including reincarnation, meditation, all kind of beautiful spiritual teachings, they have to hide it to avoid getting their heads chopped off.

In Southern India Subramanya/Skandha/Karthikeya/Murugan is very popular, he's the other son of Shiva (more wellknown son is Ganesha the elephant God), and you guessed it, he rides a peacock.

So it's possible they're related, that the yazidis were from South India who worshipped Subramanya.

[Nuralshamal]

On 11.9.2025 at 1:00 PM, -ꦥꦏ꧀ ꦱꦠꦿꦶꦪꦺꦴ- said:

 

It’s very similar in South East Asia too. Black magic is prevalent amongst all religions and ethnic groups.

 

In Singapore my Chinese friend’s restaurant would have black magic curses left by the back entrance from competing businesses. My Malay friend had a sibling that passed away from a miscarriage, almost every time they go to visit the grave there would be the leftovers of a ritual done by others over it.

 

There is no shortage of hate too! Even amongst the Buddhist nations of Thailand, Myanmar and Cambodia they are eternally fighting each other. 

It's so crazy how widespread it is! Thanks for sharing, it really brings into light "the reality" of life in these precious and beautiful regions of the planet

[Nuralshamal]

On 11.9.2025 at 3:35 PM, Master Logray said:

 

 

As far as Chinese is concerned, high level cultivators, big religious figures, scholars, Chinese medicine doctors, qigong teachers, kung fu masters, even ZhengYi Taoist who do ceremonies and rituals, usually don't have the power, skill, knowledge and exposure to counter black magics.   With luck they could solve some problems but not all, and not fully.   Energy alone is not useful in many circumstances.  Find the right person by trial and error perhaps. 

 

Another reason is the physical component.  For example, in south west China and south east Asia, there is a kind of magic called Tame Head or Gong Tau.   They have all the black magic stuff as in other parts of the world.  But since these areas are tropical jungle and inhabitants are not primitive tribes, their in depth knowledge in plants, insects, animals and how these interact, are not surpassed and remain largely unknown.  When these biological/physical components are applied in conjunction with normal black magic, it is unstoppable.

 

In the old days, many Hong Kong men went to south east Asia, they frequently involved with local women.  Normally it was just transaction and fake love.   However sometimes both sides went deep and developed some genuine feelings in addition to attraction of money and outward appearance.   

  

Some women wanted to keep the men forever and used Gong Tau, with the help of magicians.  The men was told they can go back to HK but had to return within one or 2 years, or cannot leave the country at all.  If not, they would face horrible death.  Sometimes the men, realizing their situation, would ask for help from HK's own Gong Tau Sifu or other Taoist sects priests to help.  And there came the international magical war.

 

There was a founder of most famous TV station in Chinese community in the world and he also being descendant of a powerful family in Singapore and HK, who said to have encountered this kind of unfortunate incident.  He went back and developed sicknesses, both western and Chinese doctors could not do anything.  During his autopsy, bugs were found climbing out from his body.  Another version  his body was full of Amoeba like organisms.   It was almost a romantic tragedy, because some Gong Tau would exact a price on the requestor when attack is serious, it means both will die.

 

If this was true, then the magic was potent because they have physical characteristics in addition to curses, deities help or symbolic magic.   The victim is geo located - cannot leave a certain region taking into account the temperature and humidity.   It also contains a timer, the disease would not blow up within a specified dormant period.    Sometimes a grace period is allowed by ingesting additional substances, that means a suppressant or stimulating the immunity system temporarily.

 

The lesson from then on would be never have feelings when visiting these countries for intimate company or pleasure, never visit the same establishment again and never the same woman, pay fully, beware of spiked drinks and food.  Nowadays it is not heard of any more.

 

Back to the Kurdistan situation, I think severing the delivery mechanism could help i.e. burn everything that taken out from Kurdistan, or sell them.   If it is important, cleanse it with holy water or salt water, bring to churches, put it under the sun,  buried in the ground or whatever popular in your countries.   If it had been serious, cutting the hair or shaving the head might even help.  Just in case there are some physical components embedded somewhere.

 

So fascinating, you really made the whole culture and history come alive! 

It's truly mindboggling how connected (for better or worse) people close to nature are to spirit. But unfortunately they use it both for good and evil.

Yes, awesome idea about Kurdistan. In my dream I saw a carved rock-like charm bound with leather skins, both of them inscribed with ancient signs, buried under a plot of land in Kurdistan. This was then re-energized through rituals every now and then.

So if we could find it, dig it up, and destroy it, I'm sure it would stop everything for ever.

Luckily things have been ok for a long while, but every time one of the family members returns from a trip to Kurdistan, all family members here in Europe start having physical, health, mental or family issues for 1-3 months. 

So I think when they're down there, it somehow "re-ignites" the fire of hate and jealousy in the hearts of the people living there permanently, prompting them to restart all their black magic against this branch of the family.

Luckily we are more aware now and combat it proactively. Just having that awareness that black magic is real, it makes you stop and think every now and then, when everything suddenly goes wrong for no reason out of nowhere. Then you can do something about it, instead of just suffering through it, when it could be stopped/improved by spiritual means.

[Nuralshamal]

18 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

... and the Kurds in general . As well as having all sorts of trouble on 'all sides'  (of Kurdistan ) they often get used by  governments to do things those governments dont want to face , and then after, get abandoned  to face the repercussions themselves .. treating them like pawns in the game of chess . 

 

I have a few older posts here  on  the YPJ   ;

 

 

 

Yes, so many of my wife's family were among the people who defeated ISIS.

Just imagine the strength and fighting spirit of Kurdish TEENAGE men and women in flip flops with no training defeated ISIS which was largely trained and equipped by CIA and America before they rose to prominence and was deemed an enemy of the West.

Imagine you sitting at home, watching television of brigades of heavily armed ISIS fighters taking over huge modern cities in mile long convoys of pick ups with heavy machineguns, decapitating thousands live on twitter, you're a 15 year old girl, and your reaction is to grab your flipflops and your AK and go to fight them. That's a very special kind of inner strength and courage.

It's truly tragic, as the kurds are some of the "most normal" in the Middle East, simply meaning reasonably European and sensible in many ways, compared to many of the more fanatical regimes.

If a united Kurdistan was created, it could potentially be a kind of beacon of light, humaneness, sensibility and just "normal living" to help stabilise the whole region. An oasis in a sea of fanaticism.

What they lack is a strong leader with this powerful vision of unity, as unfortunately due to millenia of wars, the mentality of "caring for yourself first" is extremely strong. Nationalism is also there, but it's a largely unguided force, intercepting militarily when things are grave and you need to defend (e.g. ISIS), but not with a vision of unity for all the kurds.

And realistically every major power is against them in the region, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Turkey. They would lose land, power, ressources and influence if Kurdistan became a unified country.

Actually Israel is one of the only powerful countries in the Middle East that tries to help Kurdistan - e.g. buy a lot of their oil, covertly sell them weapons, provide secret agents to help defeat fanatics that are trying to rise to power and so on.

The Isreali story of being a persecuted nation without a homeland, with all major powers against them is so similar in spirit to the Kurdish story of being a persecuted people without your own country, and all major powers using you and your land as a plaything in their own games. That's why they help each other since modern Isreal was founded, even though ofc many modern Kurdish brainwashed by islamic fanatics are not aware of it, but the older generation remember when secret isreali agents brought them food, water, ressources, clothes etc in times of war and crisis, also weapons for self defense, and still financially today they support by buying oil in massive quantities at a fair price.

 

18 hours ago, Nungali said:

 

'Witchcraft'  /  black magic is  also a problem in Africa .  Its especially nasty in a few cases where children have been involved .

 

- and I dont mean people and kids  in a circle 'calling up the devil'  , it can involve kidnapping ,  slavery,  imprisonment torture and murder .

Yes, Africa could almost be declared the black magic capital of the world, the magic there is very powerful 

Edited 18 hours ago by Nuralshamal

[Nungali]

5 hours ago, Nuralshamal said:

Yes, so many of my wife's family were among the people who defeated ISIS.

 

Can you please pass on my thanks and appreciation to them and let them know that someone as distant and safe as I am are aware of their plight and support them . Without people like them .... where would we be ? 

 

 

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Just imagine the strength and fighting spirit of Kurdish TEENAGE men and women in flip flops with no training defeated ISIS which was largely trained and equipped by CIA and America before they rose to prominence and was deemed an enemy of the West.

Imagine you sitting at home, watching television of brigades of heavily armed ISIS fighters taking over huge modern cities in mile long convoys of pick ups with heavy machineguns, decapitating thousands live on twitter, you're a 15 year old girl, and your reaction is to grab your flipflops and your AK and go to fight them. That's a very special kind of inner strength and courage.

 

There is another dynamic involved .  ISIS fighters were so brainwashed that they think they will be rewarded in various ways in heaven for 'honorable battle ' ..... maybe so ... IF it is 'honorable ' .   What is honorable  about what you described here in what they do ?  But still that is what they think, if they die in battle it is honorable and ;straight to heaven .

 

But here is the catch ;  to them , it is NOT honorable  to be killed in battle by a  WOMAN  ... no reward there ... what an ' insult ' . So when Kurdish women's forces advanced in strength they retreated .  

 

I liked one pf their  commanders  , a big motherly friendly woman  who 'look after my girls ' , you can see 'the girls' look up to her  as well . I remember one interview  with her , she seemed so sweet and motherly , but then got serious and 'ISIS want to come to a village and kill and rape the women and girls , hurt little children and enslave people ? Then I have something for them ... '  Her look changed to ferocious and she lifted a  nasty piece equipped with  multiple rounds and a rocket launcher  !  

 

Here she is ;   Shamal Ahmad 

 

(Hmmmm ... after 5 edits and trying everyway I know to get around an image posting  here , her picture will just not show  .... it comes up in the post before I post it  but not after ... why does this site do that sometimes ? very annoying  ... maybe a new window ?  ) 

 

 

Can we agree she is fighting 'black magic'    ... or at least 'evil'  ? 

 

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It's truly tragic, as the kurds are some of the "most normal" in the Middle East, simply meaning reasonably European and sensible in many ways, compared to many of the more fanatical regimes.

If a united Kurdistan was created, it could potentially be a kind of beacon of light, humaneness, sensibility and just "normal living" to help stabilise the whole region. An oasis in a sea of fanaticism.

What they lack is a strong leader with this powerful vision of unity, as unfortunately due to millenia of wars, the mentality of "caring for yourself first" is extremely strong. Nationalism is also there, but it's a largely unguided force, intercepting militarily when things are grave and you need to defend (e.g. ISIS), but not with a vision of unity for all the kurds.

And realistically every major power is against them in the region, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Turkey. They would lose land, power, ressources and influence if Kurdistan became a unified country.

Actually Israel is one of the only powerful countries in the Middle East that tries to help Kurdistan - e.g. buy a lot of their oil, covertly sell them weapons, provide secret agents to help defeat fanatics that are trying to rise to power and so on.

The Isreali story of being a persecuted nation without a homeland, with all major powers against them is so similar in spirit to the Kurdish story of being a persecuted people without your own country, and all major powers using you and your land as a plaything in their own games. That's why they help each other since modern Isreal was founded, even though ofc many modern Kurdish brainwashed by islamic fanatics are not aware of it, but the older generation remember when secret isreali agents brought them food, water, ressources, clothes etc in times of war and crisis, also weapons for self defense, and still financially today they support by buying oil in massive quantities at a fair price.

 

Interesting info, thanks .

 

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Yes, Africa could almost be declared the black magic capital of the world, the magic there is very powerful 

 

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Damn !