My Experience With Black Magic

[Lala Nila]

19 hours ago, Nuralshamal said:

Thanks for sharing!

Yes ofc, human beings are human beings

Btw what would you say have been your top 3 greatest hits in spirituality? Teachers, practices and so on, would love to hear more

 

Great question, I could probably write several paragraphs on it! But, I won't lol. Ahhh, top greatest hits...probably discovering Wang Li Peng "Daoist Internal Alchemy" I did a lot of those techs for a while, but I never joined a class or had formal study. I had a teacher for a bit, which was mixed and overall I had pretty good results there. For a very long time I was focusing techs from Roni Edlund's book. But I stopped those and all Neigong for a few years. I wanted to give my energetic system a rest and try to forget about everything I have learned thus far and move on to another system. Due to my brain running all the time and getting easily distracted I was drawn to just stillness and trying to focus, which is why I actually enjoy meditation and it has proved immensely beneficial to my life. I later learned to do internal body scans, that sort of thing, which I still participate in from time to time. I like a lot of healing techs from The Gold Pavillion, as translated by Michael Saso as well. Those are just a few examples of an exhausting list.. So, I kind of ended up mixing a lot, which I know now not to and thus I've stopped. Most recently, the only thing I'm doing right now is Bhramari and Nadi Shodana Pranayama, then ground it Nama-Japa. Which is simple, rewarding and what I need at this time.

 

In terms of esotericism and the occult, Ive been drawn to that since I was a child and most of my personal work revolves around the Divine Feminine archetype and exploring ideas/concepts/streams therein. I love to read and learn, I self educate- I've explored many paradigms, explore it, take what works and discard the rest (Ha! yeah some Chaos Magician influence there I guess). I'm all over the place with my interests, probably due to being neural-atypical (I hate that f*cking word but here I am...lol). In terms of rituals, rites, etc- Most of that is very private, of course, but one rite/ritual that I keep coming back to over the decades if that of The Stele Jeu, Akephalos (The Headless One) from the Greek Magical Papyri (PGM), in fact I've done a few rites from that manuscript and they have all proven to be worthwhile for me. My studies in Tarot and Qabalah have also been rewarding. 

 

 Most recently however, I've been drawn the Shiva/Shakti path, having recently been "touched" but the glorious grace of Shiva (Har Har Mahadev). Which has been vastly influential in my recent studies, outlook on life and the cosmos, my entire path, connecting with my inner Guru and learning about my true essence-I'm nearly brought to tears-even in this very moment when I try to articulate the emotion, love, grace and devotion that I feel. It's pretty wild and I recognize that it was "him" that carried me through some pretty awful times in my life. I still know nothing except that mercy, I'm learning and reading the associated sutras, puranas, etc. I fully believe that you only ever have One Guru- The Adi Guru and that is enough for me (for now). 

 

[Nuralshamal]

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Thanks for sharing! So fascinating to hear about your journey. I heard great stuff about Wang Li Peng in general, online and at different qigong retreats where people spoke highly of him.

Especially a lady from Sweden, she said his energy and transmission was so powerful it was almost unbearably when he was busting open deep blockages.

Fascinating about Roni Edlund, she's also Swedish from what I remember, and dated Damo Mitchell for quite a while. I saw her in some of their joint videos etc throughout the years, but never knew she also taught "on her own". 

Pranayama and japa, happy to hear you found what works for you now

Esoteric & Occult
Awesome, fascinating to hear about your journey for sure.
 

Very touching and beautiful to hear about your experiences with Shiva!

And fascinating you go directly to the associated sutras and puranas.

I am personally always completely flabbergasted at the depth of teaching from even some of the simple stories.

Example of Story
I was in India about a month ago or so, I first went to learn some "extracurricular" SKY, then went for the last level in Devipuram (Sri Vidya).

In Devipuram we got diksha for Subramanyan. I grew up with Hinduism due to my dad, lived in a village in rural India for a month when I was 4, and we went together to that village many times when I grew up.

So I knew a lot already, but I never really heard about Subramanyan before.

Therefore I asked about some stories etc during the breaks while in Devipuram, and I was so amazed at these short and simple stories containing so much depth and teachings about the energies of each Devata.

[Master Logray]

2 hours ago, old3bob said:

 

and then there are the more or less accepted forms of evil, black magic or violence practiced and cheered on in international and national politics that cause great harm to individuals and many people... (such is very obvious but the pretenses related to its uses and getting away with it are legion)

 

countless are the numbers of indigenous and other people suppressed or murdered in the name of "manifest destiny" via all of its forms (with roots in malice, greed, racism fear, lust for power, etc...) while various heads of state smile and shake hands in gaudy public displays of absolute hypocrisy and propaganda used to try and gloss over their crimes!  (and they are often successful with such mass hypnosis) 

 

thankfully many are speaking out and fighting the good fight against such forces...

 

 

 

Statecraft is always more powerful than witchcraft.

[Lala Nila]

Yes, maybe my approach is heterodox, I guess. I just feel love reading the stories, they are so alive and a beautiful way to get the point across, very layered. I have an extremely creative mind, visually I can put myself right in the middle of what I read. it's awesome and likely why I don't really watch too much t.v. lol

 

I was also struck by the beauty of the Vakhs of Lal Ded (Lalleshwari), these spoke to me on such a grand level, my heart opened up so vastly. it's really quite beautiful how everything has opened up for me recently. I would never have imagined this for myself tbh. In fact, I've never prayed or devoted myself to any god before this and believe me, my family tried to get  to pray to the Christian god and Jesus for a very long time lol. 

 

I joined the Vimarsha Foundation recently and I'm going through the curriculum there as well. I do have an achaya from another lineage , but he is very busy it seems and I'm still in the vetting process as some alarm bells have been ringing anyway!

 

 

[Master Logray]

You guys certain have experiences in a lot of traditions.   However is there any costs in following such paths?   e.g. MaoShan and related lineages have a rule.  Whoever followed the path needs to choose one from the several : disabilities, loneliness, short lifespan, poverty.   There are differences between sects, but roughly are these.

[Nuralshamal]

21 hours ago, Lala Nila said:

Yes, maybe my approach is heterodox, I guess. I just feel love reading the stories, they are so alive and a beautiful way to get the point across, very layered. I have an extremely creative mind, visually I can put myself right in the middle of what I read. it's awesome and likely why I don't really watch too much t.v. lol

 

I was also struck by the beauty of the Vakhs of Lal Ded (Lalleshwari), these spoke to me on such a grand level, my heart opened up so vastly. it's really quite beautiful how everything has opened up for me recently. I would never have imagined this for myself tbh. In fact, I've never prayed or devoted myself to any god before this and believe me, my family tried to get  to pray to the Christian god and Jesus for a very long time lol. 

 

I joined the Vimarsha Foundation recently and I'm going through the curriculum there as well. I do have an achaya from another lineage , but he is very busy it seems and I'm still in the vetting process as some alarm bells have been ringing anyway!

 

 

How's your experience with the Vimarsha Foundation so far?

Which courses did you do?

His ads kept popping up on my instagram, facebook, youtube etc, that's how I became aware of him

[Nuralshamal]

2 hours ago, Master Logray said:

You guys certain have experiences in a lot of traditions.   However is there any costs in following such paths?   e.g. MaoShan and related lineages have a rule.  Whoever followed the path needs to choose one from the several : disabilities, loneliness, short lifespan, poverty.   There are differences between sects, but roughly are these.

I believe it's used to scare people away, and ensure that you come with a very determined commitment, and that you're willing to put in the work, even if it hurts you

In the dark arts, okay, yes, I do belive there is a price to pay for sure.

MaoShan has many lines from what I understand, and some of them are extremely dark and black in nature, I do believe you pay for doing that

But other than that, I don't really believe in it as other than a means to filter who approaches

[Lairg]

By some accounts the real black magicians are not in physical form.  Apparently they like to use humans as disposable intermediaries

 

Humans that cannot control their thoughts are easy to manage

 

 

[Lala Nila]

7 hours ago, Nuralshamal said:

How's your experience with the Vimarsha Foundation so far?

Which courses did you do?

His ads kept popping up on my instagram, facebook, youtube etc, that's how I became aware of him

 

I do like it so far, the cost is not crazy, though the set up is a little impersonal. I just signed up for the (free) Introduction to Sarvamnaya Yoga, it's starts on October 5. Achaya Sthaneshwar does a lot of question/answer zoom classes which is a bonus. He kept popping up on my YouTube feed as well, so I decided to give it a go. The lessons are go at your own pace, which I like. However, everyone is super eager for diksha lol, too eager in my opinion. Try the first few courses that are free, although it might be too basic, does it give a good overview of concepts.

[Lala Nila]

10 hours ago, Master Logray said:

You guys certain have experiences in a lot of traditions.   However is there any costs in following such paths?   e.g. MaoShan and related lineages have a rule.  Whoever followed the path needs to choose one from the several : disabilities, loneliness, short lifespan, poverty.   There are differences between sects, but roughly are these.

 

Surely there are costs, everything is an exchange of energies is it not? I hold no initiations to any lineage, nor have taken any oaths. Folk magic practices and shamanistic leanings are my birth right and led me to where am I now, as being a literal earthly representation of Goddess is. My path is not straight and narrow and quite frankly I wouldn't have it any other way. I simply enjoy reading about many traditions, I'm certainly not running around making Fu talismans and trying to invoke Enochian Entities with them lol. Just because someone is aware of certain magic and studied it, doesn't mean they actually participate in it. For the simple fact that yes, everything is an exchange of energy, so be careful what you do, who you follow, or the oaths you take.

 

Lairg puts it rather succinctly : 

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By some accounts the real black magicians are not in physical form.  Apparently they like to use humans as disposable intermediaries

 

Humans that cannot control their thoughts are easy to manage

 

 

[Lala Nila]

On 2025-09-01 at 11:04 PM, Lairg said:

The "war in the heavens" is common to various religions.  Fortunately our gods are the good ones - or not

 

Here is a Greek version:    Zeus and the Olympian gods won the Titanomachy and split up the universe among themselves. Zeus took the skies and Olympus, while Poseidon took the sea, and Hades the underworld. The Titans were cast into Tartarus, the deep abyss of suffering and prison for eternity.

 

The wars are interdimensional and  humans are treated as tradeable slaves by some and by others as functional components of the Oneness.  Humans need to learn right relationship and thereby unfold their potentialities and reactivate partnerships.

 

The future of Earth humans is one reason that so much oppression has occurred here.  But oppression had an advantage.  Being thrown in the deep end accelerates learning to swim.  If failure occurs another incarnation can be immediate - until the spirit learns to manage its human format and apply itself to its cosmic duties.

 

Personally I am not too concerned with the mechanics/players of that but Elena Danaan gives a lot of details.

https://galacticanthropology.org/elena-danaan-articles/

 

This galaxy is subject to intense competition.  Meanwhile inappropriately aligned galaxies are being stimulated to step up to their proper (clean) functions as organs in the body of the universal Logos.

 

Earth is currently starting a break up and renovation of governmental systems for humans.  It turns out nicely by 2080 on this timeline. 

 

Test it for yourself:     move forward on this timeline to 2080 and feel the state of humans on the surface of this planet.  Look at their cosmic connections

 

 

 

yes, I'm actually aware of most of the information in that link you posted, though I'm not familiar with Elena Danaan. However, my info is from the Annunnaki (Annunna) lore and what happened on earth during those times, what happened on Mars, etc. It's between now and 2080 that a lot of strife happens, at least what I see. I feel we're on the precipice of a Technocratic-Neo-feudalistic (lol) system devised and implemented by slimey billionaire (trillionaire ?) psychopaths.

 

Like that boot stomping on the human face-forever, it's hard for me to look past that. A nod to Old3Bob and what he has been alluding to as well.

 

 

[Lairg]

30 minutes ago, Lala Nila said:

I feel we're on the precipice of a Technocratic-Neo-feudalistic (lol) system devised and implemented by slimey billionaire (trillionaire ?) psychopaths.

 

They are puppets.  There are much bigger players with an interest in this planet

 

Fear and depression are invitations to adverse interference at individual and national levels

Be of good cheer.  That is both a defense and an invitation to positive entities that wish that humans activate their design functionality and take proper roles in the Cosmos

 

Note that some 56 nations have signed the ethical standards for managing this solar system.  This is part of the activation of surface Earth humanity

 

https://www.nasa.gov/artemis-accords/

 

 

 

 

[Lala Nila]

1 minute ago, Lairg said:

 

They are puppets.  There are much bigger players with an interest in this planet

 

Fear and depression are invitations to adverse interference at individual and national levels

Be of good cheer.  That is both a defense and an invitation to positive entities that wish that humans activate their design functionality and take proper roles in the Cosmos

 

Note that some 56 nations have signed the ethical standards for managing this solar system.  This is part of the activation of surface Earth humanity

 

https://www.nasa.gov/artemis-accords/

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, I agree with this - all of it.

 

I try to remain positive and focus on the beauty of the cosmos. I also try not to fret too much about "that war" and  focus on being a good person, doing good, spreading love and teaching that to my children. 

 

Thanks, your words cheered me up a bit.  

 

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surface Earth humanity

 

are you alluding to subterranean populations, I've read about little about this topic. What happens to them?

[Lairg]

1 hour ago, Lala Nila said:

are you alluding to subterranean populations

 

When alien "gods" came to this planet, many groups moved into the inner cavern systems.

 

You will have noticed that the continents of Earth fit together neatly - no matter in which direction you move them.

 

That means that the planet was once much smaller and in its great expansion developed huge amounts of internal spaces - much of which was  connected by constructed tunnel systems

 

[Nungali]

3 hours ago, Lairg said:

 

When alien "gods" came to this planet, many groups moved into the inner cavern systems.

 

You will have noticed that the continents of Earth fit together neatly - no matter in which direction you move them.

 

That means that the planet was once much smaller and in its great expansion developed huge amounts of internal spaces - much of which was  connected by constructed tunnel systems

 

 

 

  

 

 

 

or it can mean the oceans were different back then  . 

 

 

 

PS .    the blue stuff is water  . 

[Master Logray]

16 hours ago, Nuralshamal said:

I believe it's used to scare people away, and ensure that you come with a very determined commitment, and that you're willing to put in the work, even if it hurts you

In the dark arts, okay, yes, I do belive there is a price to pay for sure.

MaoShan has many lines from what I understand, and some of them are extremely dark and black in nature, I do believe you pay for doing that

But other than that, I don't really believe in it as other than a means to filter who approaches

 

Indeed.  Scare them from doing wrong and do not come easily.   It is just the MaoShan way is more potent than normal guideline type of warnings.   The initiates are expected to have a serious oath and pick the "costs/requirements" from different bowls, under the witness of the grand master (a god or spirit).   The oath is using the same magical mechanism and to be endorsed by the very deities they got the power from in the future.   Therefore when one uses magic, it immediately trigger this embedded process.   An example is paying taxi fare.  Once you state the destination, the meter starts to count, even when it is stopped and not in motion.   There is a saying that if the magician cannot pay, his family's fortune will be drawn to offset for him.    This type of system is more than guidelines.   Presume Jason Read has to go through this too.

 

The above applies generally and when a magician does something more sinister, there will be additional costs.  This is a bit harsh.   Let say if I am mainly casting spell to repel mosquitos, the costs could be quite high.

 

Edited September 4 by Master Logray

[Nuralshamal]

1 hour ago, Master Logray said:

 

Indeed.  Scare them from doing wrong and do not come easily.   It is just the MaoShan way is more potent than normal guideline type of warnings.   The initiates are expected to have a serious oath and pick the "costs/requirements" from different bowls, under the witness of the grand master (a god or spirit).   The oath is using the same magical mechanism and to be endorsed by the very deities they got the power from in the future.   Therefore when one uses magic, it immediately trigger this embedded process.   An example is paying taxi fare.  Once you state the destination, the meter starts to count, even when it is stopped and not in motion.   There is a saying that if the magician cannot pay, his family's fortune will be drawn to offset for him.    This type of system is more than guidelines.   Presume Jason Read has to go through this too.

 

The above applies generally and when a magician does something more sinister, there will be additional costs.  This is a bit harsh.   Let say if I am mainly casting spell to repel mosquitos, the costs could be quite high.

 

Thanks for sharing your viewpoints!

I remember you said you had worked with MaoShan, how exactly did you learn these things? 

[Master Logray]

26 minutes ago, Nuralshamal said:

Thanks for sharing your viewpoints!

I remember you said you had worked with MaoShan, how exactly did you learn these things? 

 

I engaged their services  e.g. like burning Joss papers to repay my cosmic debts, if any.   Mantra not needed, but smoke is a problem.

[old3bob]

 

the dark hunger of malice, greed and fear will devour whatever it can but in the end it runs out of that and self destructs!  The Earth/soul/Mother is not broken and prevails with the Golden ones...we fly in wonder among her pure silver forests that sing with never ending harmony, for no unclean thing can take root or be here...

 

Edited September 4 by old3bob

[Nuralshamal]

2 hours ago, Master Logray said:

 

I engaged their services  e.g. like burning Joss papers to repay my cosmic debts, if any.   Mantra not needed, but smoke is a problem.

Thanks for sharing!

 

Btw, if you don’t mind me asking, what’s your age, nationality and country of residence? 
 

You seem very well informed about these occult things on the Asian scene (eg what you said about the prices for different services, magical warfare in the East etc). Just to understand your context better.
 

Just to share my own info so it’s equal, I’m 33, I’m mixed race, 25% African, 15% Eastern European and 60% Scandinavian.

 

I live in Scandinavia now, but have lived in the US, Africa, Switzerland and India too

[Lala Nila]

43 minutes ago, old3bob said:

 

the dark hunger of malice, greed and fear will devour whatever it can but in the end it runs out of that and self destructs!  The Earth/soul/Mother is not broken and prevails with the Golden ones...we fly in wonder among her pure silver forests that sing with never ending harmony, for no unclean thing can take root or be here...

 

 

Thank you!!! 🙏 

[Lala Nila]

30 minutes ago, Nuralshamal said:

Just to share my own info so it’s equal, I’m 33, I’m mixed race, 25% African, 15% Eastern European and 60% Scandinavian.

 

I live in Scandinavia now, but have lived in the US, Africa, Switzerland and India too

 

I'm really mixed as well (European, Javanese, Anglo-Saxon). Do you think that having all this mixes makes you more drawn to exploring  various traditions as well as callings from your ancestors?

[Nuralshamal]

12 minutes ago, Lala Nila said:

 

I'm really mixed as well (European, Javanese, Anglo-Saxon). Do you think that having all this mixes makes you more drawn to exploring  various traditions as well as callings from your ancestors?

Yes, 100%.
 

I know for sure the power of my African ancestors.

 

My grandfather (who’s now passed away, God rest his soul) had incredible dream powers naturally, though he never cultivated in any way, shape or form.

 

These have been passed on to my father, me and my cousins too, albeit not as strong. 
 

But in all the Hindu and Daoist rituals I’ve done for ancestors, the power in the African side is immense! 
 

I get incredible dreams and visions, and it’s always of the African side.

 

They were of course connected to Voodoo, which doesn’t need to be dark, it’s just a connection to ancestors, life force of nature and the universe, as well as spirits ofc. 
 

I have so many stories to share about this 😁 

 

Tell me more about your Javanese connection 🙏🏼

[Nungali]

7 hours ago, Lala Nila said:

 

I'm really mixed as well (European, Javanese, Anglo-Saxon). Do you think that having all this mixes makes you more drawn to exploring  various traditions as well as callings from your ancestors?

 

Thats a great question .  I hit an indigenous elder with it once ; '' I  have all these genetic inheritances connected to 'western traditions' but I was born here and connected to 'place' , I am not sure which path to take .'' he answered that he though I was lucky as I had both and should explore both .  But now it turns out I probably have some indigenous ancestry anyway . 

 

'Blood and country'  .  Callings from ancestors .... callings from  'country'   ; 

 

[Lala Nila]

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the power in the African side is immense! 

 

Mhm, I'm sure the visits and dreams are quite impactful. I don't know much about African Voodoo to be honest, or African traditions really. I would really love to hear some of these stories you mentioned above!

 

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Tell me more about your Javanese connection

 

Oh it's a very juicy tale of aristocracy, colonialism, taboo mixing of bloodlines, "black magic," apostasy, rebellion, (later) internment camps, and the subsequent feelings of not belonging to either society or culture. It's how the little seemingly insignificant things still carry on through time mostly through food and little sayings, like the term "keshian" (poor thing, pity), they were said to me as a child and I continue to say it to my kids.

 

I feel a connection there, I have very old photos (of photos) of my ancestors, who don't really look like me. But, I have their blood running through my veins.

 

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'Blood and country'  .  Callings from ancestors .... callings from  'country'   ; 

 

Yes, callings from ancestors that carry on the winds, reawakening the bloodlines and secrets encoded in your DNA. Somethings are never forgotten and always passed on to the next generation, lying dormant for you to discover!

 

I love love love that pic, looks like serpentine eyes staring right into me!

Edited September 4 by Lala Nila