Shadow_self Posted February 8, 2022 58 minutes ago, EFreethought said: So in other words: Is the ultimate answer to sit in meditation for a few hours every day for a few years? I read part of "Opening the Dragon Gate" recently, and it seems like that is what Wang Li Ping did to start out. 5 minutes ago, Cleansox said: No. In some traditions, you start with "Opening shit up" and laying the foundation, which can be standing and moving methods. The russian group was very adamant on that, and you will find that idea in other traditions as well. Somethings I think it escapes people that "opening shit up" is very, very literal 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeform Posted February 9, 2022 16 hours ago, EFreethought said: So in other words: Is the ultimate answer to sit in meditation for a few hours every day for a few years? I read part of "Opening the Dragon Gate" recently, and it seems like that is what Wang Li Ping did to start out. what @Cleansox said Meditation is much further down the line. Though there is certainly other seated practices that are important. In my own training the foundation was very physical… physical exercise, lots of standing and moving Neigong. Stilling and consolidating the Jing and generating a lot of dense qi. If you start before puberty - you can actually bypass some of the foundation stuff - as the the Jing is not dispersed and there is a natural tendency for the Dantien space to consolidate. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
salaam123 Posted August 8, 2022 What did Damo mean by "preliminary flow", in this MCO-series? He didn't elaborate it further. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kojiro Posted August 8, 2022 On 7/2/2022 at 5:15 PM, freeform said: It’s a known maxim if you want to become a true master of the art… but the reality is that the vast majority of people just want a taste of alchemy - like having it as a hobby or an interest. Its hard to teach the foundation… it’s hard to practice the foundation - it’s boring, uncomfortable and takes years. So many masters will teach what they enjoy teaching instead - and it’s up to you to make it work or treat it like a hobby. I lived with my teacher for years to build the foundation - full time practice with one day off a week. It’s a pretty big commitment for me - as well as for my teacher and his family. People have lives and teachers have only so much bandwidth. The people for whom this is their life’s work - they’ll find a way of building the foundation… or they won’t… What kind of work is necessary to build up a decent foundation and open up some shit? just to know what the basic stuff is like in your tradition, no need to go into details, thanks! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
anshino23 Posted August 8, 2022 2 hours ago, Kojiro said: What kind of work is necessary to build up a decent foundation and open up some shit? just to know what the basic stuff is like in your tradition, no need to go into details, thanks! He described it in the post above my friend Quote In my own training the foundation was very physical… physical exercise, lots of standing and moving Neigong. Stilling and consolidating the Jing and generating a lot of dense qi. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Taoist Texts Posted November 16, 2022 On 2/8/2022 at 9:21 PM, EFreethought said: So in other words: Is the ultimate answer to sit in meditation for a few hours every day for a few years? yes, except if after a few days nothing happens then you are doing it wrong Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
