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35 minutes ago, Bindi said:

Restrict desires as in sexual abstinence? 

yes just like that

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1 hour ago, Taoist Texts said:

yes just like that

 

Hi Taoist Texts,

 

No ~ your 'yes' is too simplistic/irresponsible to a fault... against the order of Nature.

 

The Tao flows without stagnation...

 

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May I add the 7th FLOW catalyst...?

 

Creativity.

 

Are there other FLOW catalyst(s)?

 

- Anand

 

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10 hours ago, dawei said:

Lest we forget this morsel.

 

I take your meaning as:

 

Morality = Working

 

So you ask...

 

Dao = ?

 

 

I had to balk a bit on this one. Was not sure what TT was saying. So, rethinking and restating ...

 

The Dao is source of all things (mother of, gives birth to) and puts in motion all of the workings and changes in the natural world. So morality ... as a standard for conduct ... would be to align with the way which Dao has set forth. It would need to be understood that actions operate within Dao. A person's actions may either be in harmony with the natural changes ... or in contention with them. Thus commonly expressed as fortune or misfortune. Perhaps the basis of the notion of the mandate of heaven.

 

This is pretty much where I am at present. That could change with an improved understanding.

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3 hours ago, OldDog said:

It would need to be understood that actions operate within Dao.

 

Hi OldDog,

 

Actions operate within Dao ~ through inaction?

 

Action <=> Inaction? As in wu-wei?

 

無爲... Action <=> Inaction.

 

Inaction has no descriptive words attached to it, so...

 

Inaction <=> No words?

 

No words = -words.

 

It would need to be understood that actions operate within Dao... without words...?

 

3 hours ago, OldDog said:

I had to balk a bit on this one... So, rethinking and restating ...

 

I am also rethinking and restating...

 

無爲... Action <=> Inaction... No words... -words

 

無爲 <=> -words ?

 

3 hours ago, OldDog said:

This is pretty much where I am at present. That could change with an improved understanding.

 

So am I ~ as you are.

 

- Anand

 

 

Edited by Limahong
Enhance ...

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3 hours ago, OldDog said:

It would need to be understood that actions operate within Dao.

 

Maybe you can say "according" to Dao.

 

But Dao is not a place, so no "within".

 

Dao is not a mother or father, and so "gives birth" to no thing.

 

Dao just mean "Way" like saying "The Way it Goes" or "As it so happens".

 

It is not a thing or place or force or any other physical entity.

 

So Dao "itself" cannot "do" anything.

 

 

 

 

 

 

-VonKrankenhaus

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5 minutes ago, vonkrankenhaus said:

Dao "itself" cannot "do" anything.

 

Hi vonkrankenhaus,

 

Isn't The Dao linked to Nature as for instance ~ sunrise <=> sunset...?

 

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- Anand

 

 

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16 minutes ago, Limahong said:

Isn't The Dao linked to Nature

 

Dao is "the Way" of "Nature" and everything.

 

Dao is how, "the way" it works, whatever it is.

 

So this "link" is not a physical linking of objects or places.

 

There is no physical Dao to be linked to any other physical thing.

 

Just like "Reality" isn't any one thing or place.

 

Means the "Way" or "Manner" of reality.

 

 

 

 

 

-VonKrankenhaus

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19 minutes ago, vonkrankenhaus said:

Maybe you can say "according" to Dao.

 

But Dao is not a place, so no "within".

 

I think we're splitting hairs here. We could say according but I was deliberately trying to make the distinction that as individuals we can act in accord with way things naturally tend to unfold or against the tendency. I chose "within" to underscore the idea that you can not really operate separate from the Way. The Way is how all things are. We can choose to act in accord or in opposition to the way things want to unfold. Fortune or misfortune all are part of the Way.

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12 minutes ago, vonkrankenhaus said:

So this "link" is not a physical linking of objects or places.

 

There is no physical Dao to be linked to any other physical thing.

 

Hi vonkrankenhaus,

 

Is The Dao ~ sunrise <=> sunset as in... up <=> down... fortune <=> misfortune... Yin <=> Yang...?

 

- Anand

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Enhance ... thanks to OldDog

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58 minutes ago, Limahong said:

Actions operate within Dao ~ through inaction?

 

Action <=> Inaction? As in wu-wei?

 

Inaction, in a literal sense is always an option. We can always just stop doing and let things happen around us. But I don't think that is what wu wei is all about. That's a simplistic and fatalistic view of wu wei.

 

If I choose to act, are there some choices that yield more desirable outcomes than others? I think so. If I understand how events are unfolding I can choose actions that will produce a more desirable outcome. One of those choices may be to do ... nothing.

 

I think wu wei is more about understanding how events are unfolding and choosing actions that require less effort to achieve an acceptable outcome.

 

 

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5 hours ago, OldDog said:

Inaction, in a literal sense is always an option. We can always just stop doing and let things happen around us. But I don't think that is what wu wei is all about. That's a simplistic and fatalistic view of wu wei.

 

Hi OldDog,

 

"I think we're splitting hairs here. We could say according but I was deliberately trying to make the distinction that as individuals we can act in accord with way things naturally tend to unfold or against the tendency." 

 

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- Anand

 

 

Edited by Limahong
Enhance ...

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