Apech Posted December 10, 2018 56 minutes ago, Chang said: To pretend that Theresa May has any sort of plan is ridiculous. She is simply a rubber ball bouncing from pillar to post. I still think that most of you are missing the big picture however. The Tories under Prime Drip May are showing themselves again and again as unfit to govern. I now have real fears that they will not complete their term of office and will be forced to go to the country. Corbyn has the youth vote without any question (its a sort of Obi Wan Corbyn thing) and the chances are high that the Marxists (Labour Party) would carry the election. We would then be left drowning in the mess of Brexit - whichever way it goes - and have the added chaos of a Marxist regime, promising the world and delivering ruin. Things are looking very grim indeed chaps but there will still be a few laughs along the way. As an aside I am beginning to seriously worry about Apech, whom I never thought of as anything other than a Boring Buddhist and left wing Liberal. I may have to amend my views after reading recent posts. Thank you. I spend a lot of time worrying about myself too. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chang Posted December 10, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Patrick Brown said: Well I still think May has a 'plan' and she might have even factored Corbyn in, as said she's wants to keep us in the EU by trying to mind-job MP's but mainly the public. May is simply not clever enough to have any sort of plan, just look back to her record as Home Secretary, she talks a good job but consistently fails to deliver. We voted to leave and now more and more people are accepting that we probably won't or can't!!! "You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time." Quote She's a traitor. Forget politics and parties she's a liar and a EU shill. She's going to hell!! She is a traitor and unfortunately she is not the only one if you define a traitor as someone who puts the interests of others above those of her own people. She is also without doubt duplicitous and a servant of the European Tyrany. As to her going to hell???????????? Edited December 10, 2018 by Chang 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patrick Brown Posted December 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Chang said: As to her going to hell???????????? Working for the EU! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patrick Brown Posted December 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Chang said: Stop it you're scaring the shit out of me!!!!! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apech Posted December 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Chang said: "You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time." She is a traitor and unfortunately she is not the only one if you define a traitor as someone who puts the interests of others above those of her own people. She is also without doubt duplicitous and a servant of the European Tyrany. As to her going to hell???????????? is that Tory blue? May was an incompetent Home Secretary - somehow she survived when it is the most tricky job in UK politics. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chang Posted December 10, 2018 30 minutes ago, Apech said: is that Tory blue? May was an incompetent Home Secretary - somehow she survived when it is the most tricky job in UK politics. Not Tory blue as I detest the tories as much as I detest the socialists and liberals. May survived as Home Secretary simply by her blandness. To be fair her speeches were always impressive but she never delivered on any of her promises - in other words she did nothing but "talk a good job." When you do very little it is difficult to drop yourself in the shit. Unfortunately for her she has now landed a job where she is having to deliver something (I am not sure what) as regards Brexit. The results of her attempts at action are there for everyone to see. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patrick Brown Posted December 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Chang said: Unfortunately for her she has now landed a job where she is having to deliver something (I am not sure what) as regards Brexit. The results of her attempts at action are there for everyone to see. Well that's simple! Get us out of the EU either with or without a deal but of course her exceedingly poor skill set is now there for all to see. I'll be amazed if she's still got a job at the end of this week as people are really, really getting P'd off with her. Basically she's not up to the job of PM and never was. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patrick Brown Posted December 10, 2018 Quote Emergency debate to take place tomorrow Emergency debate application House of Commons Parliament Speaker John Bercow says he is satisfied that the matter raised by Jeremy Corbyn is "absolutely proper" to be discussed under standing order 24 (which concerns emergency debates). All opposition MPs, plus a number of governments MPs, stand in support of the motion, with none objecting. The debate will be held tomorrow for up to three hours, Mr Bercow says. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miffymog Posted December 10, 2018 (edited) Rumors May was going to leave it until next year to have a second vote in the House on her deal ... Corbyn has called for an emergency debate on it tomorrow, back strongly by both parties. This is fair enough, she can't really be allowed to let it drag out like this. Long and short of it, tomorrow's going to be a bit more interesting. Edited December 10, 2018 by Miffymog ok - so not strongly by the Tories, just enough to get it through. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patrick Brown Posted December 10, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Miffymog said: tomorrow's going to be a bit more interesting Well with any luck they might even get on with the vote! It's a mixture of stress and boredom at the moment! Edited December 10, 2018 by Patrick Brown Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miffymog Posted December 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, Patrick Brown said: Well with any luck they might even get on with the vote! It's a mixture of stress and boredom at the moment! This is definitely doing the state of my mind no good! I like certainty not chaos. But this is a good thing, it would have just been no good her dragging it out so long. But are their enough numbers for a leadership challenge or a vote of no confidence? Bercow was suggesting having a vote (!) on whether the vote should have been postponed. Not quite sure what would have happened if they win that one - does it then force a vote on the deal? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patrick Brown Posted December 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Miffymog said: does it then force a vote on the deal? Not sure it's getting complicated. Might get some insight here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-parliaments-46506969 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patrick Brown Posted December 10, 2018 Doesn't look as if they'll be voting tomorrow, reading the BBC page linked above, just more arguing about god knows what!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chang Posted December 10, 2018 (edited) “Politicians. Little Tin Gods on Wheels.” — Rudyard Kipling A new age is dawning On fewer than expected Business as Usual That's how the headline read Some shaky modern saviors Have now been resurrected In all this excitement You may have been misled You don't have to pray to a little tin god Step out of the way for a little tin god You might fear the reaper, fear the rod But you never have to get down on your knees You don't have to holler, please, please No, you never have to get down on your knees For a little tin god Don Henley Edited December 10, 2018 by Chang 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zerostao Posted December 11, 2018 Is the corkscrew unlocking the frexit champagne? I was looking at trip advisors 10 best things to do in Paris.......# 7 Revolution, # 6 Remove Macron Certainly this changes the dynamics of the Brexit deal. Just wait a bit and there will be no EU to leave. God save the Queen etc 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chang Posted December 11, 2018 2 hours ago, zerostao said: Is the corkscrew unlocking the frexit champagne? I was looking at trip advisors 10 best things to do in Paris.......# 7 Revolution, # 6 Remove Macron Certainly this changes the dynamics of the Brexit deal. Just wait a bit and there will be no EU to leave. God save the Queen etc You are correct but we must not underestimate the danger that the dying beast still possesses. As I have pointed out before the raison d'être of the European Army is not for defence against an alien threat but to control those already within the fold. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apech Posted December 11, 2018 2 hours ago, Chang said: You are correct but we must not underestimate the danger that the dying beast still possesses. As I have pointed out before the raison d'être of the European Army is not for defence against an alien threat but to control those already within the fold. Aliens! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patrick Brown Posted December 11, 2018 Well if May doesn't come back with something, cheese, wine or perhaps some sausage then she should resign. Will she? Err probably not as she's a mental case who needs to be put down! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apech Posted December 11, 2018 Just now, Patrick Brown said: Well if May doesn't come back with something, cheese, wine or perhaps some sausage then she should resign. Will she? Err probably not as she's a mental case who needs to be put down! A crate of Stella maybe. While we are on the subject of aliens - where are the Liberal Democrats??? Do they really exist? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patrick Brown Posted December 11, 2018 Just now, Apech said: A crate of Stella maybe. Well as I don't drink I'm hoping cheese! 1 minute ago, Apech said: While we are on the subject of aliens - where are the Liberal Democrats??? Do they really exist? No! All their policies have been stolen by the tories and labour. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patrick Brown Posted December 11, 2018 The family resemblance is striking! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chang Posted December 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Apech said: Aliens! alien /ˈeɪlɪən/ adjective adjective: alien 1. belonging to a foreign country. "an alien culture" 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chang Posted December 11, 2018 This is fast developing into something like a good old fashioned Brian Rix farce. The only thing lacking is that the politico's involved have not quite reached the stage of running from room to room with their trousers around their knees. Give it another day or two though. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patrick Brown Posted December 11, 2018 6 minutes ago, Chang said: running from room to room with their trousers around their knees I thought that kind of activity was common place in Parliament. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patrick Brown Posted December 11, 2018 Well it really is warming up! Quote France on COLLISION COURSE with EU: Macron shameless pay-off to rioters BREAKS EU rules EMMANUEL Macron was today shamelessly BUYING his way out of trouble caving in to rioters after weeks of blood and chaos on the streets of France, with a host of policy U-turns and a multi-billion euro package of ‘presidency-saving’ measures. But the massive hand out goes DIRECTLY against EU rules and his own insistence on national spending and fiscal prudence – and is set to see France joining Italy in defiance of it’s own EU spending laws. Macron had even dished out numerous lectures to Italy warning them to come to heel over EU spending rules or face the consequences. Now the hapless president looks set to join Italy deliberately falling foul of EU rules. The French President has been aggressively spearheading an EU-wide drive to slash the bloc’s eye-watering 145billion euro debt. But last night he offered his troubled nation astonishing concessions that will see him not only add to Brussels’ fiscal budget but also dangerously inflate Paris’ own budget to over 100 percent of gross domestic product (GDP). Sparking fears France is on the brink of an economic meltdown, Mr Macron handed out sweeteners to buy off a “catastrophic” nationwide ‘Yellow Vest’ protest movement that led to the deaths of three French citizens, the hospitalisation of hundreds, and knocked the wind out of the nation’s economy - despite his relentless calls on EU member states to tighten their purse strings. The young French President, 40, who has been dubbed “arrogant” for addressing his nation three weeks into violent protests about fuel hikes that saw the cost of diesel rise by 23 percent in 10 months, offered furious demonstrators who set cars and buildings on fire, stole guns from police and gratified the Arc De Triomphe a shopping list of handouts for those on low pay and retirees to calm their fury. In a speech addressing the nation last night, he promised to up the national minima wage by 100 euros per month, ending some tax increases for retirees earning less than 2,000 euros per month, and asked firms to provide bonuses to cash-strapped workers. Read in full: https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1057226/france-protests-emmanuel-macron-concessions-financial-crisis-GDP-bruno-Le-maire Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
