The Brexit Thread

[Apech]

5 minutes ago, Patrick Brown said:

So it would seem we are not going to leave the EU. The government/establishment are in effect declaring war, by default, against the British people for not carrying out their will to leave the EU. In effect from the 30th March 2019 all people of the UK will be at war with the government and those that choose to stand with them. I expect civil disobedience i.e The powers of the police will no longer be accepted and the laws of the land will no longer be legally binding. 

 

If this happens it will be the end of the UK, Europe and eventually the whole of the modern world. We've always been aware of the scheming masonic groups around the world but now they are trying to truly enslave us and take away our freewill and god given rights.  

 

Yes there's a one hour pause before the war begins and that will truly be the calm before the storm! 

 

Its NATO surely not the EU.

[Patrick Brown]

33 minutes ago, Apech said:

 

Its NATO surely not the EU.

 

Yes it's NATO but I would expect they can be called in to help if it kicked off in London. I mean major chaos, which is unlikely but can't be counted out. I think the target for protesters is mainly Parliament but also the establishment and all it's masonic buildings and group locations etc. Hey most of us have always known who's pulling the strings but with Brexit they have outed themselves to the public in general. 

 

Example: Here's a pack of No 10's that'll probably burn well:

(edit skipped the clip on as it has a long musical intro)

 

 

Edited March 17, 2019 by Patrick Brown

[rene]

4 hours ago, Apech said:

 

Can't she just behead everyone?????

 

 

[rene]

3 hours ago, Patrick Brown said:

The UK will boost its defensive capabilities by hosting a major international military exercise for two weeks from 30 March 2019.

 

More than 10,000 military personnel, 35 warships, 5 submarines and 59 aircraft and helicopters from 13 countries will take part in Exercise Joint Warrior until 11 April.

 

Holy shit.

 

3 hours ago, Patrick Brown said:

So it would seem we are not going to leave the EU. The government/establishment are in effect declaring war, by default, against the British people for not carrying out their will to leave the EU. In effect from the 30th March 2019 all people of the UK will be at war with the government and those that choose to stand with them. I expect civil disobedience i.e The powers of the police will no longer be accepted and the laws of the land will no longer be legally binding. 

 

If this happens it will be the end of the UK, Europe and eventually the whole of the modern world. We've always been aware of the scheming masonic groups around the world but now they are trying to truly enslave us and take away our freewill and god given rights.  

 

Yes there's a one hour pause before the war begins and that will truly be the calm before the storm! 

 

Stay safe, friend.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 17, 2019 by rene
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[silent thunder]

I'm going to channel some Robert Anton Wilson and share my interpretation of the last few months of news I've been reading:

 

Every border between nations does not represent a line of peaceful intent, so much as it demarks the place where two rival gangs grew tired of killing each other and agreed to stop... for now.  Seems as a species we haven't grown tired yet.

 

All perception is based on gamble.  We do not perceive the world as it is, but as we have been conditioned to interpret it.

 

We interpret the signals of perception through the filter of our familial and social programming and assume that this is reality.  It is not.  Our family and society (politics/religion), shape our perceptive interpretation.  They reinforce, reward and punish our interpretation as it is shaped into a Reality Tunnel.  This tunnel is usually finished by age 7 and changing it is nigh on impossible requiring monumental effort and an alarming degree of discomfort and outright pain.  Ask anyone diligently devoted to a path of spiritual awakening if confirmation is desired.

 

When our interpretations are in accord with our society, we are called normal.  Once the tunnel is formed anything that does not conform to our projected interpretation is refuted as illusory and false.  This is the basis of Naive Realism, which has been refuted since the time of The Stoics.  Yet the mostly invisible process of intepreting is sub conscious and gives rise to such firm reinforced beliefs that it pre-determines our notions of normal and strange, beautiful and ugly, good and bad in spite of the raw information arising in our environment; and is why facts presented in debate seldom influence the opposition's reality interpretation. 

 

Whatever facts presented by nature, or an opponent's argument that do not meet our expectation and interpretation, will be ignored, refuted, or attacked outright as falsehood; while those that reinforce our interpretation are held up as banners of truth and shouted at opponents as 'obvious'.
 

Certitude is siezed by some minds, not because there is any philosophical justification for it, but because such minds have an emotional need for certitude.  There is great comfort in certainty.  The last years of my practice have brought me a very painful understanding of why some teacher's try and shy potential students away from spiritual pursuits.  It's heart breakingly and mind shattering to have one's previously held comforting notions of assumptions, projections and beliefs of reality, of 'how things are' to be relentlessly and unavoidably dissolved, shattered and melted like fog in sunshine.

 

Borders of Nations are imaginary walls just as certainties of belief are imaginary fortresses.  Each are built to prop up the illusory notion of safety, and lend the individual a sense homogeny and control.  The laws of the tribe are not the laws of Tao. 

 

Absolute certainty is the realm of the arrogant ignorant... and of that, I'm absolutely certain.

 

wait... oh shit.

 

[thelerner]

On 3/17/2019 at 8:21 AM, Patrick Brown said:

So it would seem we are not going to leave the EU. The government/establishment are in effect declaring war, by default, against the British people for not carrying out their will to leave the EU. In effect from the 30th March 2019 all people of the UK will be at war with the government and those that choose to stand with them. I expect civil disobedience i.e The powers of the police will no longer be accepted and the laws of the land will no longer be legally binding. 

 

If this happens it will be the end of the UK, Europe and eventually the whole of the modern world. We've always been aware of the scheming masonic groups around the world but now they are trying to truly enslave us and take away our freewill and god given rights.  

 

Yes there's a one hour pause before the war begins and that will truly be the calm before the storm! 

That seems a bit much.  Sometimes a delay is just a delay.  Mountain loads of paper work and treaties to work out.  Maybe its distance but I have faith in the English people.  They've suffered from much worse then this and come out strong and united. 

 

Also, the Masons I've known have been pretty cool.  Definitely not the takeover the world kind.  Less the scheming overlord and more  bored husband type looking for camaraderie.   At least in the U.S.

[Apech]

WTF is going on, he asked - not expecting an answer.

[Apech]

For Chang and Patrick ....

 

 

[Chang]

9 hours ago, Apech said:

For Chang and Patrick ....

 

 

 

Tony Blair. Epitome of the Cultural Marxist Grandee.

[Apech]

Well, well, well.

 

House of Commons votes out May's deal, votes out no deal in any circumstances, May asks for extension of Art. 50 till June and Tusk says you can only have extension if you vote through May's deal.

 

No May's deal.

No no-deal.

No extension past march 29.

 

I guess May will attempt to get her deal through again even though the Speaker has said she can't put it forward - and if this doesn't work revoke Art. 50.

 

We're f***ed well and truly.

[Chang]

8 minutes ago, Apech said:

Well, well, well.

 

House of Commons votes out May's deal, votes out no deal in any circumstances, May asks for extension of Art. 50 till June and Tusk says you can only have extension if you vote through May's deal.

 

No May's deal.

No no-deal.

No extension past march 29.

 

I guess May will attempt to get her deal through again even though the Speaker has said she can't put it forward - and if this doesn't work revoke Art. 50.

 

We're f***ed well and truly.

 

As I have mentioned before in this Thread the fun is only just beginning.

[Apech]

1 minute ago, Chang said:

 

As I have mentioned before in this Thread the fun is only just beginning.

 

 

They are now saying May's deal will go back to the house and the choice will be her deal or no deal.  So the pressure is on Corbyn I guess.

 

 

[Stosh]

8 hours ago, Chang said:

 

Tony Blair. Epitome of the Cultural Marxist Grandee.

It's none of my business but I am finding these ideas expressed by Blair as horrifying. 

To it looks like politicians are indeed undermining the will of the people as being the Paramount importance. 

Instead he is thinking that he , is in a position to negotiate against the citizenry!

This is going to bleed on us too, if you guys don't persevere on this, and escort the 'bums' out on a rail'

Literally, as I was writing this, and listening to the clip, the interviewer starts pressing whether the voter is always right! And he had the nerve to try to talk his way around the problem!

I'm thinking -Holy Crap! This is a bad as our Watergate issue! We we're blindly walking around ,having misplaced faith, that the gov was secure because this crap can 'never happen here.'

Incredible.

Our political establishments have decided that they either don't need endorsement beyond what they can force on us with propaganda, because so many have so little understanding of the principles!

The tails are wagging the dogs.

Edited March 20, 2019 by Stosh

[Chang]

2 hours ago, Stosh said:

It's none of my business but I am finding these ideas expressed by Blair as horrifying. 

To it looks like politicians are indeed undermining the will of the people as being the Paramount importance. 

Instead he is thinking that he , is in a position to negotiate against the citizenry!

This is going to bleed on us too, if you guys don't persevere on this, and escort the 'bums' out on a rail'

Literally, as I was writing this, and listening to the clip, the interviewer starts pressing whether the voter is always right! And he had the nerve to try to talk his way around the problem!

I'm thinking -Holy Crap! This is a bad as our Watergate issue! We we're blindly walking around ,having misplaced faith, that the gov was secure because this crap can 'never happen here.'

Incredible.

Our political establishments have decided that they either don't need endorsement beyond what they can force on us with propaganda, because so many have so little understanding of the principles!

The tails are wagging the dogs.

 

Yes you have pretty much hit the nail on the head and identified the problem. Fortunately more and more people are becoming red pilled and seeing the Cultural Marxist  Establishment for what they are. They still very much have the upper hand but I would hope that they are no longer able to enjoy as peaceful a sleep as they were used to.

[Patrick Brown]

That Blackford really, really needs a slap!

[Stosh]

1,Blackford called the PM a liar, in a meeting, the guy in the chair demanded he take the word back. What happens if he doesn't?

2, later that guy said 'one persons opinion is another person's fact. '

Don't y'all believe  that there is anything that is true, or that someone can in fact, lie?

Then he denied that he could ensure that they were going to be voting with all the facts in hand. 

Huh? So they are allowed to lie, fabricate, and omit...just so long as nobody contends based on true or false facts? 

 

What the hell was that meeting called ? And is that just a sort of discussion period, a vote to be done later? 

Edited March 21, 2019 by Stosh

[Apech]

7 hours ago, Stosh said:

1,Blackford called the PM a liar, in a meeting, the guy in the chair demanded he take the word back. What happens if he doesn't?

2, later that guy said 'one persons opinion is another person's fact. '

Don't y'all believe  that there is anything that is true, or that someone can in fact, lie?

Then he denied that he could ensure that they were going to be voting with all the facts in hand. 

Huh? So they are allowed to lie, fabricate, and omit...just so long as nobody contends based on true or false facts? 

 

What the hell was that meeting called ? And is that just a sort of discussion period, a vote to be done later? 

 

 

he'd probably be excluded from the house for a period.  the use of terms like 'liar' are considered unparliamentary - its a bit like our no personal insult moderation rule - its a matter of keeping debate civil.  The usual way round is to use weasel words like 'the Prime minister may have mistakenly mislead the house' or the famous one of being 'economical with the truth'.

 

It was probably PMQs or the emergency debate on Brexit.

 

last night Theresa may gave a special press conference - at which I think she originally was going to resign - but in the end she just blamed everyone else, mostly the MPs for it all going wrong.  She has a certain dogged persistence I will give her that - but she certainly doesn't have a flexible mind, the kind that finds creative ways out of a crisis.

 

we're f***ed, as I keep saying, which ever way this goes Britain is looking bad to the world.

[Patrick Brown]

10 hours ago, Stosh said:

Blackford called the PM a liar, in a meeting, the guy in the chair demanded he take the word back.

 

I missed that, maybe he's not as bad as I thought!!! LOL May 'is' a liar and it's obvious for everybody to see/hear. She should be in prison for treason but of course democracy is dead in the UK.

 

2 hours ago, Apech said:

we're f***ed, as I keep saying, which ever way this goes Britain is looking bad to the world.

 

I vanish for a few days and Apech goes mental! Calm down lad, we'll all be able to enjoy the riots from the comfort of our own armchairs so there's no need to feel left out.  

 

On a slightly dark note: If we do leave the EU they will try and hurt us as much as possible, but such is the price of freedom. 

 

Anyway is 39 Billion, 39 thousand millions? If so that's quite a lot of money to get us through. 

[Apech]

13 minutes ago, Patrick Brown said:

 

I missed that, maybe he's not as bad as I thought!!! LOL May 'is' a liar and it's obvious for everybody to see/hear. She should be in prison for treason but of course democracy is dead in the UK.

 

 

I vanish for a few days and Apech goes mental! Calm down lad, we'll all be able to enjoy the riots from the comfort of our own armchairs so there's no need to feel left out.  

 

On a slightly dark note: If we do leave the EU they will try and hurt us as much as possible, but such is the price of freedom. 

 

Anyway is 39 Billion, 39 thousand millions? If so that's quite a lot of money to get us through. 

 

yes its a US billion = thousand million ... 

[Chang]

Once Theresa May, a pro E.U. Remainiac assumed the role of  Prime Minister the die was cast for all of the stuff and nonsense we have seen since.

 

May stated from the outset that she would stand down prior to the next General Election and so her sole remit was to see us through Brexit. In this task she has proved sadly lacking.

 

You can argue for as long and vehemently as you wish regarding the problems and obstacles in her way, but you cannot contest the fact that she was an E.U. supporter who was given the job of shruggting off the countries E.U. shackles. Whichever way you look at this it was lunacy and was doomed to leave us wallowing in our present mess.

 

Parliament has been disgraced and the British people laft as a laughing stock for Europe and the world.

 

To finish on a positive note our politico's have had the spotlight turned on them to illuminate what a hopeless, self seeking bunch of hypocrites they are and this fact alone will provide plenty more fun and games as we approach the next General election in three years time.

And a last point to ponder. All and sundry assumed that we would be free of our E.U. yoke by May 2022 and the G.E. but can we be sure of that now?

Edited March 21, 2019 by Chang

[Apech]

1 hour ago, Chang said:

Once Theresa May, a pro E.U. Remainiac assumed the role of  Prime Minister the die was cast for all of the stuff and nonsense we have seen since.

 

May stated from the outset that she would stand down prior to the next General Election and so her sole remit was to see us through Brexit. In this task she has proved sadly lacking.

 

You can argue for as long and vehemently as you wish regarding the problems and obstacles in her way, but you cannot contest the fact that she was an E.U. supporter who was given the job of shruggting off the countries E.U. shackles. Whichever way you look at this it was lunacy and was doomed to leave us wallowing in our present mess.

 

Parliament has been disgraced and the British people laft as a laughing stock for Europe and the world.

 

To finish on a positive note our politico's have had the spotlight turned on them to illuminate what a hopeless, self seeking bunch of hypocrites they are and this fact alone will provide plenty more fun and games as we approach the next General election in three years time.

And a last point to ponder. All and sundry assumed that we would be free of our E.U. yoke by May 2022 and the G.E. but can we be sure of that now?

 

makes you wonder why Gove, Johnson, Davies et al didn't step up to the mark ... or maybe they are the quislings.

[Chang]

1 hour ago, Apech said:

 

makes you wonder why Gove, Johnson, Davies et al didn't step up to the mark ... or maybe they are the quislings.

 

Whomsoever acts as Prime Minister for this term of office, delivering Brexit - or not as the case may be, is finished so far as the House of Commons is concerned and will have nothing left but the House of Lords, after dinner speaking and their autobiography to work on.

 

No point in talk of Quislings either. The establishment is Cultural Marxist which is part and parcel of the E.U. The enemies of freedom are in plain sight and bellowing their message clear and strong through the media.

 

As I have stated all along, even if we do eventually manage to free ourselves from the E.U. tyrany we will still be left with our own Cultural Marxist Establishment leading us down the road to ruin. Brexit was ever only the first step.

[Apech]

2 minutes ago, Chang said:

 

Whomsoever acts as Prime Minister for this term of office, delivering Brexit - or not as the case may be, is finished so far as the House of Commons is concerned and will have nothing left but the House of Lords, after dinner speaking and their autobiography to work on.

 

No point in talk of Quislings either. The establishment is Cultural Marxist which is part and parcel of the E.U. The enemies of freedom are in plain sight and bellowing their message clear and strong through the media.

 

As I have stated all along, even if we do eventually manage to free ourselves from the E.U. tyrany we will still be left with our own Cultural Marxist Establishment leading us down the road to ruin. Brexit was ever only the first step.

 

 

And what in your opinion would be the final solution?

[lifeforce]

1 hour ago, Chang said:

 

Whomsoever acts as Prime Minister for this term of office, delivering Brexit - or not as the case may be, is finished so far as the House of Commons is concerned and will have nothing left but the House of Lords, after dinner speaking and their autobiography to work on.

 

No point in talk of Quislings either. The establishment is Cultural Marxist which is part and parcel of the E.U. The enemies of freedom are in plain sight and bellowing their message clear and strong through the media.

 

As I have stated all along, even if we do eventually manage to free ourselves from the E.U. tyrany we will still be left with our own Cultural Marxist Establishment leading us down the road to ruin. Brexit was ever only the first step.

 

Totally agree. 

There is no such thing as freedom, only the illusion that we have a choice. That's why I've never voted. It makes no difference who's in power at No.10. Whoever ends up in office, is who the one's pulling the strings behind the scenes, have decided to put there.

I take it you're familiar with The Kalergi Plan ?

This whole scenario's been planned for decades. Perfectly executed.

I don't think we'll ever be free from the clutches of these elitist psychopaths.

[Stosh]

11 hours ago, Apech said:

 

 

he'd probably be excluded from the house for a period.  the use of terms like 'liar' are considered unparliamentary - its a bit like our no personal insult moderation rule - its a matter of keeping debate civil.  The usual way round is to use weasel words like 'the Prime minister may have mistakenly mislead the house' or the famous one of being 'economical with the truth'.

 

It was probably PMQs or the emergency debate on Brexit.

 

last night Theresa may gave a special press conference - at which I think she originally was going to resign - but in the end she just blamed everyone else, mostly the MPs for it all going wrong.  She has a certain dogged persistence I will give her that - but she certainly doesn't have a flexible mind, the kind that finds creative ways out of a crisis.

 

we're f***ed, as I keep saying, which ever way this goes Britain is looking bad to the world.

Ah, One has to have the nuts to take the punishment for saying the true thing, so they pick their battles some. 

 

Otherwise,, I always liked the 'open nature' of y'all's discussions as such. It seems to promote the subtle understanding of tactic and emotion, which ours don't seem to have. 

Still , from this side, I don't think y'all look bad per se' ,,to me y'all look caught up in the same net of the 'globalization nazis.'...can I say that? 😉