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Another interesting aspect of this system, while in others you are often told to practice some long times to achieve serious results, here it's the opposite: "At most, three times a day, no more than this. Otherwise the results will be bad."

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Another interesting aspect of this system, while in others you are often told to practice some long times to achieve serious results, here it's the opposite: "At most, three times a day, no more than this. Otherwise the results will be bad."

 

I may attempt a guess at this.

 

Different practices do different things. 

 

I've done qigong where a 15 m meditation makes me feel amazing - refreshed and revitalized.  I've also done this form 3 times in a row, and felt jittery and unwell.  Energy overload.

 

Too much of anything is not a good thing.  

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I am very interested in this discussion. I have been practising the level 1 form from videos found on Youtube for getting on for 2 years now. In my case I am practising in order to hopefully resolve some spinal injuries and other health issues. Now, just as I was about to begin the second level practice I just found several new videos which contradict pretty much each movement in the level 1 form, so now I am hesitant. My Qigong level is sufficient to enable me to quickly feel the differences in terms of the efficacy of one practice as compared to another, but I am not prepared to mix and match. I want to learn the form as Master Tian teaches it, preferably from an authorised source, such as one of his own instructors. However I am based in Europe (Spain) and have very limited income as I am unable to earn my living due to my present condition, although it has improved over the past couple of years...

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Smiling Penance. I doubt you will find anyone here willing or able to accede to your requests, as Master Tian has disappeared off the map. Apparently, his children still teach the system in China.

For what it's worth, I discovered the Flying Phoenix Qigong system as taught by GM Doo Wai, and have now been practicing it for the past year with far better results than those I achieved through practicing the Fragrant Qigong system for significantly longer, and it is an incomplete system, as the third part of the system can only be transmitted directly in person and there are no videos published of that part of the system whatsoever.

If you are interested in hearing more about Flying Phoenix Qigong I recommend doing a search on these forums. If you want to practice in order to heal yourself or others, I know of no comparable system to that of the Flying Phoenix Qigong system. I was skeptical at first until I began to practice the meditations. Now there's no looking back. 

I hope you find this useful.

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On 8. 9. 2017 at 0:09 PM, SmilingPenance said:

Hi just discover this style and would like to learn more. can anyone point be to a book or video of these practices done correctly. want to start on the right foot

 

Possibly this:

 

 

Can't vouch for this with any certainty, but with same question as you have, just some time back, somehow I ended up with this video (quite likely recommended in an older thread here on TDB, not sure anymore).

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At least the movements are fairly consonant with the written instructions for Level 1, but performed very poorly in my humble opinion. The practitioner obviously has no idea where the LDT is (she circulates around the Middle Dantien), nor the Laugong points, which are supposed to be aligned throughout the movements. The movements are also quite a bit too fast and too rigid. Also, the eyes should be closed in the meditation in prayer mudra. The Daoyin Fa at the end of the video is definitely not correct.

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I haven't received any formal training in Fragrant Qigong so I have no idea how good / bad my form is, but for awhile I followed these videos and the movements 'felt' right. A few small tweaks I'd make is to keep my elbows tucked to the side of the body and fixed throughout the motion (here they are a bit relaxed about that):

 

 

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On 9/16/2017 at 9:22 AM, DSCB57 said:

Smiling Penance. I doubt you will find anyone here willing or able to accede to your requests, as Master Tian has disappeared off the map. Apparently, his children still teach the system in China.

For what it's worth, I discovered the Flying Phoenix Qigong system as taught by GM Doo Wai, and have now been practicing it for the past year with far better results than those I achieved through practicing the Fragrant Qigong system for significantly longer, and it is an incomplete system, as the third part of the system can only be transmitted directly in person and there are no videos published of that part of the system whatsoever.

If you are interested in hearing more about Flying Phoenix Qigong I recommend doing a search on these forums. If you want to practice in order to heal yourself or others, I know of no comparable system to that of the Flying Phoenix Qigong system. I was skeptical at first until I began to practice the meditations. Now there's no looking back. 

I hope you find this useful.

 

I wouldn't call it "incomplete" as each level is a complete practice in of itself according to my teacher. Level 3 is for masters only, and you would have to be chosen to be able to learn it. 

 

As Shifu John Dolic is still acquainted with Tian Ruisheng's children personally (I correct myself from the earlier post), he can answer more questions about the practice if you contact him, and he teaches levels 1 and 2. 

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On 7/29/2016 at 0:00 AM, Leif said:

Another interesting aspect of this system, while in others you are often told to practice some long times to achieve serious results, here it's the opposite: "At most, three times a day, no more than this. Otherwise the results will be bad."

 

Exactly. One of my colleagues did practice level 1 three times in a row and she got headache and hypertension right after that. It is recommended that one does it no more than 3 times a day and there should be at least 6 hours between sessions.

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On 9/20/2017 at 6:41 PM, nyerstudent said:

I haven't received any formal training in Fragrant Qigong so I have no idea how good / bad my form is, but for awhile I followed these videos and the movements 'felt' right. A few small tweaks I'd make is to keep my elbows tucked to the side of the body and fixed throughout the motion (here they are a bit relaxed about that): 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA9sB8SKxNU

 

 

The below two clips are taught by Grandmaster Tian's daughters so IMHO they are the most precise demonstrations found on the web.

 

This clip is for level 1 taught by Grandmaster Tian's younger daughter Tian Aifang. At the end of the clip Grandmaster Tian teachs us on a detox method too.

 

The following clip is for level 2 taught by Grandmaster Tian's elder daughter Tian Shufang:

 

 

Both clips contains some of Grandmaster Tian's healing session fragments/interviews. It is a pity that they are in Mandarin so most of us non-Chinese cannot understand.

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4 hours ago, Vovi said:

 

Exactly. One of my colleagues did practice level 1 three times in a row and she got headache and hypertension right after that. It is recommended that one does it no more than 3 times a day and there should be at least 6 hours between sessions.

 

I never heard of practicing six hours between sessions, as the way it was practiced in Beijing for Shifu Dolic's experience is that you could do all 3 sessions in a row and that was fine. Some people do two rounds of Level 1 and then one round of Level 2, or just three rounds of Level 1. When I practiced, I just did three rounds of Level 1 in the morning to no ill effect. 

 

My guess is that there was probably either a healing crisis and those problems were coming out, or the forms may have been done slightly wrong such as drinking water less than 20 minutes before or after, as well as the whole list of don'ts before practice (such as practicing alone at night in the dark or on an eclipse). 

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4 hours ago, Vovi said:

 

The below two clips are taught by Grandmaster Tian's daughters so IMHO they are the most precise demonstrations found on the web.

 

This clip is for level 1 taught by Grandmaster Tian's younger daughter Tian Aifang. At the end of the clip Grandmaster Tian teachs us on a detox method too.

 

The following clip is for level 2 taught by Grandmaster Tian's elder daughter Tian Shufang:

 

 

Both clips contains some of Grandmaster Tian's healing session fragments/interviews. It is a pity that they are in Mandarin so most of us non-Chinese cannot understand.

 

If you forward these clips to Shifu Dolic, he can give you some comments on this as well. 

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15 hours ago, Earl Grey said:

 

I never heard of practicing six hours between sessions, as the way it was practiced in Beijing for Shifu Dolic's experience is that you could do all 3 sessions in a row and that was fine. Some people do two rounds of Level 1 and then one round of Level 2, or just three rounds of Level 1. When I practiced, I just did three rounds of Level 1 in the morning to no ill effect. 

 

My guess is that there was probably either a healing crisis and those problems were coming out, or the forms may have been done slightly wrong such as drinking water less than 20 minutes before or after, as well as the whole list of don'ts before practice (such as practicing alone at night in the dark or on an eclipse). 

 

Just reviewed the Xiang Gong manual there was no rule for idle time between sessions. Maybe I heard or saw it somewhere else. And maybe my colleague broke some rules as she was a new practitioner, or it was a sign of strong healing inside her body.

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10 minutes ago, Vovi said:

 

Just reviewed the Xiang Gong manual there was no rule for idle time between sessions. Maybe I heard or saw it somewhere else. And maybe my colleague broke some rules as she was a new practitioner, or it was a sign of strong healing inside her body.

 

That manual actually is missing many do's and don'ts, and that's why I was glad to learn under Shifu Dolic, because I would never have known to do things like never practice during a thunderstorm or near a graveyard, or alone in the dark (and a dozen more rules). The pdf is also missing cleansing form, which is done once at night. 

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15 hours ago, Earl Grey said:

 

If you forward these clips to Shifu Dolic, he can give you some comments on this as well. 

 

Hi Earl, how can I contact Sifu Dolic? Thanks.

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I want to reply to these posts about Fragrant Qigong. It is something I learned about 2 weeks ago and the first day that I tried it, a health condition that I had symptoms of for over 20 years, maybe even 30 years, healed in a major way literally over night with the combination of a very simple qigong method from a different form. This was the first miracle healing I ever experienced. And my experience includes 44 years of daily TM meditation, and 20 years of consulting with a top ayurvedic medical clairvoyant and all of his recommended herbs and supplements, 26 years of Reiki, and trying at least 80 different styles of Qigong. So obviously I am indebted to Master Tian for teaching this form. I learned it from the online videos of his daughters teaching the form which I have to assume is the correct way. Earl Grey was kind enough to tell me how to get in touch with his teacher who visits the Tian family.

I then exchanged emails with Earl's teachers and read about Fragrant Qigong on his website and then obtained his book on Qigong. Few Westerners have accomplished in TCM and qigong what this teacher has. Therefore, if he has said that he has visited Master Tian who is alive and well, then that is good enough for me. And my guess would be that Master Tian would prefer to have a group of 5,000 to learn Fragrant Qigong because that many people creates a strong Qi field and the stronger the Qi field, the stronger the healing for the participants. That is also when people can smell the fragrances, in very large groups. 

The Chinese government does not allow large groups to gather to practice qigong, but they do allow large tai chi groups because that is a martial art and not qigong, according to their paranoid thinking. Fragrant Qigong was eventually banned because of the large crowds filling soccer stadiums. So just like the large numbers of Falun Dafa people were a threat to the Communist Party, so was the large numbers from Fragrant Qigong. The Chinese government is known to use propaganda to discredit whomever they fear. I also want to say that many people on this blog have probably wondered over the years why I have tried do many different qigong methods. I often even questioned myself about this. But I finally realized the reason after the healing I had from Fragrant Qigong. In spite of the great test results about what each qigong method was doing for me according to what my medical clairvoyant was seeing each of them do for me, I still had this strong sense that I am not really experiencing that many benefits in daily life other than more energy. So my search for the right qigong method for myself has really paid off. Now I am glad that to my own self I remained true. As Grandmaster Doo Wai says on some of his qigong videos, the proof of the method is if it gives you results. 

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Hi, I'm really interested in Fragrant Qigong and I have some questions about it.

 

The first is how massage techniques relates with this qigong and in general with others practices. Personally I found it to be quite relaxing and energizing but master Tian warns not to mix Fragrant Qigong with other methods, so I don't want to keep doing it and eventually cause problems.

 

The other question is about the feeling during sessions: i feel some tingling and mild numbness all over the body, especially lower back, hands and rear legs, but I never experienced the strong fragrances that the Master talks about; does this mean that my practice is not completely correct?

 

Anyway I'm an almost total novice in energy practice, but for now this qigong set made me feel the strongest energy sensations and helped me the most in comparison to others methods (five elements, eight brocades), but still in a really subtle scale. For this reason I'm eager to know if other people persisted in its practice and which kind of benefits they reported.

 

Happy practice to everybody!:)

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Not everyone smells fragrances.  It doesn't mean your practice is not correct. :) 

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I have received some advice from a teacher of Fragrant Qigong who studies TCM and qigong for several years in China and he has visited the Tian family. He told me that other qigong methods can be done with Fragrant Qigong just as long as they do not involve unnatural breathing methods and do not use visualization or guiding the Qi mentally. I have never smelled any fragrance but my wife smelled fragrance strongly the first time she tried Fragrant Qigong and each time she has tried it. She also can taste flowers in the Fragrant Qigong water that I make following Master Tian's method for that. But I have never tasted anything from the water. Yet the method works regardless of what is being sensed or not sensed. Some people base their evaluation of qigong methods by the experiences or sensations that they have from it. That would be a mistake since you cannot determine what the Qi is really doing for you during the practice. 

I want to clarify the post that I wrote in January of 2018 when I said that Earl Grey's teacher visited Master Tian's family and Master Tian is alive and well. I since have spoken with that person and he said he visited the family but Master Tian was not there. So it would be incorrect for me to report that he said Master Tian is alive and well. From what I read in the book it seems that Fragrant Qigong is most powerful for healing when done in very large groups. But I have also heard of testimonials from people doing FQ alone. 

As for learning the method from videos I have John Dolic's dvds and I find that the posted youtube videos on this thread done by Master Tian's daughters are done in the same way that John Dolic performs them. But you do need instruction for the do's and don'ts so you would need John's dvds for level one and two if you do not understand Mandarin. And a reminder that different qigong methods do different things for different people. I did Flying Phoenix Chi Kung for 2 years and did not heal anything. I did Fragrant Qigong and after the first night it improved a medical condition that I had for 20-30 years. So different strokes for different folks. 

But if someone wants to feel chi very strongly, then Flying Phoenix most likely will do that for most people. I always enjoyed doing Flying Phoenix but my lifestyle never permitted enough time for it. 

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On 1/15/2018 at 3:42 PM, tao stillness said:

I want to reply to these posts about Fragrant Qigong. It is something I learned about 2 weeks ago and the first day that I tried it, a health condition that I had symptoms of for over 20 years, maybe even 30 years, healed in a major way literally over night with the combination of a very simple qigong method from a different form.

 

Someone asked me about Fragrant chi Kung so I looked at this thread.  I'm impressed that such a strong healing effect can be had from such a limited type of chi kung.  It looks like medical chi kung to me and the focus appears to be mostly in the heart and solar plexus area, to balance and to do a lot of 'mixing'.  So if someone needs that kind of healing in that area it's good.  From the videos shown here it can be seen that there is no focus on cultivating chi power, vitality, or spiritual growth.

 

I'm curious, what other chi kung did you blend this with?

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On 7/23/2018 at 10:17 PM, Starjumper said:

 

Someone asked me about Fragrant chi Kung so I looked at this thread.  I'm impressed that such a strong healing effect can be had from such a limited type of chi kung.  It looks like medical chi kung to me and the focus appears to be mostly in the heart and solar plexus area, to balance and to do a lot of 'mixing'.  So if someone needs that kind of healing in that area it's good.  From the videos shown here it can be seen that there is no focus on cultivating chi power, vitality, or spiritual growth.

 

I'm curious, what other chi kung did you blend this with?

 

It is a very strong form for psychic and physical development, as at level 3, teleportation is possible, but that level is only reserved for those who are worthy of learning it, and those have typically been within the family and only those who will take on the lineage. Levels 1 and 2 are gifts to the public and even level 1 has cured deafness. 

 

There is indeed cultivation of qi power, vitality, and spiritual growth, but it does so in a way that is difficult to see without actually doing the form. I stopped because not only was it too strong that even doing a few movements can affect someone who has done it for a while, but because the limitations meant I couldn't meditate and couldn't do my other forms like Flying Phoenix or Spontaneous Five Animals. 

 

When I say meditate, by the way, I mean their definition is nothing with intense visualization. There's a whole list of dos and don'ts and the only other qigong I was able to practice was physical whether it was Eight Brocades, either seated or standing, or the self-massage form as there was no breathing technique involved, and special breathing is not allowed with Fragrant nor are mental practices like Spontaneous. 

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