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I think that if the Qi can affect the eyes significantly in meditation, one should be able to heal eye problems as myopia.

Qi heals every part of the body, why not the eyes?

But, in reality you can see many professional monks with thick eyeglasses: from the tibetans to the theravadins, to the zenists, etc...

 

In my limited experience, Bodri proved himself to be an incomplete (and to a certain extent incorrect) source of information on cultivation gong-fu. He's not the bible :D

There are different stages of qi development, depths and types of qi. In the beginning the coarse subtle body is adjusted and fine tuned; to affect the dense structures in the body, a lot more is needed. If you have chronic tensions and wrong eye muscle patterns, qi will not necessarily adjust that. If you have elongated eyes (myopia), to transform that requires control over all your elements, which will require many years of full time cultivation to get. On the other hand, it could well be the case that your cultivation method uses energies for other things than restoring your eyes; in that case, keep your thick eyeglasses.

 

"I think that if the Qi can affect the eyes significantly in meditation, one should be able to heal eye problems as myopia.

Qi heals every part of the body, why not the eyes?"

 

Qi, if it can affect eyes significantly, should be able to affect other parts equally. In theory it should be able to heal all body parts. Regrowing fingers, restoring lost senses should be possible in theory; I know people who this happened to, though it requires a bit more than hobby meditation.

 

 

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After doing this mantra for a couple months now I personally feel that it has accelerated my cultivation practice.

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Qi, if it can affect eyes significantly, should be able to affect other parts equally. In theory it should be able to heal all body parts. Regrowing fingers, restoring lost senses should be possible in theory; I know people who this happened to, though it requires a bit more than hobby meditation.

 

Did you ever meet someone who healed his eyes and abandoned glasses through meditation ?

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Did you ever meet someone who healed his eyes and abandoned glasses through meditation ?

 

While my eye sight was never very bad, at about the point I started to do organ meditation I was having to wear glasses in class to see the black board. Then I started doing the Liver meditation and I no longer needed those glasses.

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Did you ever meet someone who healed his eyes and abandoned glasses through meditation ?

 

 

When I was younger, back when 19yrs old, I had a lot of time on my hands, and spent 6 months working on my eyes. During that time I didn't use my glasses. Qigong, coupled with eye exercises, brought my prescription from -12.50/12.75 down to -1100 in both eyes. Unfortunately, my 6 month free time was eaten up by teaching and teaching and teaching.. I had no time for the practices I was doing.

 

Thus, my eyes are stable at -1100 till this time.When I take the time to practice specifics for eyes, instead of seeing 4 moons, I see 1, and very very clear. Yet, I don't have the time to apply such practices, so back on with the glasses...lol

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Yes, but don't forget that it's enough to avoid glasses for some months to experience a slight improvement of the eyesight.

I used rasterbrille for 3 months and experienced something similar.

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I've noticed that for the past few days an interesting phenomenon when I do the Zhunti mantra. I'll do it and as I'm doing it become aware of many of my negative character traits and how they have earned me bad karma. Then afterwards I'll feel very tired (often have to take a nap afterwards) and even feel kind of sick (as in nausea, that weird "sick sweat" and just "off").

 

If this had happened just once I would have not paid much attention, but since this seems to have become a pattern I'm wondering what's going on?

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That sounds good - shit in your mind getting purified by the mantra.

 

When we chant this mantra, on one level we're generating focused desire for the qualities of Zhunti to flower in ourselves as we become Buddhas, on another we're generating reverence for the Buddhas, and therefore humility.

 

That has to have some effect, even without the chi effects of mantras, and perhaps more esoteric effects I'm not even aware of.

 

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That sounds good - shit in your mind getting purified by the mantra.

 

When we chant this mantra, on one level we're generating focused desire for the qualities of Zhunti to flower in ourselves as we become Buddhas, on another we're generating reverence for the Buddhas, and therefore humility.

 

That has to have some effect, even without the chi effects of mantras, and perhaps more esoteric effects I'm not even aware of.

 

:)

That's good to hear, but why do I feel sick after I do it lately?

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That's good to hear, but why do I feel sick after I do it lately?

Maybe you have not build enough affinity with the mantra yet. My intuitive guess... sorry.

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My guess: being faced with the crud deep in your mind that people normally don't want to see as it burns off, which then also causes really old dirty grim chi to unclog. Psychological and physiological factors interrelated.

 

I think Master Nan once said he really hated this mantra when he started... so he knew it was working, really cutting new positive grooves in his mind and body, and he persevered... until enough crud was cleared that he loved it.

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That's good to hear, but why do I feel sick after I do it lately?

 

I'm not a zhuntimantra practitioner, but I experienced that symptoms after certain magical works. Depression and nausea to the point that I had to stop the activity. Fast recovery after all.

I have two hypothesis:

1) you get the attention of lower spirits who manifest in this way

2) you consume all your "personal power" (it's not Qi, it's power not energy) in that cleaning of your soul and feel bad for a while.

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I'm not a zhuntimantra practitioner, but I experienced that symptoms after certain magical works. Depression and nausea to the point that I had to stop the activity. Fast recovery after all.

I have two hypothesis:

1) you get the attention of lower spirits who manifest in this way

2) you consume all your "personal power" (it's not Qi, it's power not energy) in that cleaning of your soul and feel bad for a while.

 

It's actually the opposite: this mantra (and other great and tested ones) pushes away lesser spirits.

Took the day off yesterday, but did the Zhunti mantra again this morning and felt nausea afterwards.

 

Dmwatts:

 

Valid mantras, when you practice correctly and hard enough, help you transform your mind and behaviour. Of course, this is interlinked with your qi AND your body. Nevertheless, this always surprises people when they actually get the practice going. Your unpurified qi, nastiness, and gunk oozes out, and you experience this in feelings and sensations. Your body can react with skin rashes, fever etc. Stuff happens. You detoxify your mind, you detoxify your body.

 

Of course it can be uncomfortable, but congrats!

 

 

Mandrake

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It's actually the opposite: this mantra (and other great and tested ones) pushes away lesser spirits.

 

Maybe it depends on the cultural background of the practitioners, the place where it is chanted, etc...

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Last night I was lying in bed, chanting while visualising a bright white dot in my heart chakra.

 

I felt gathering force throughout the body, followed by a powerful fizzing at the root chakra which spurted up as far as the heart chakra in pulses. There were several pulses in a few minutes, then this ended after a sharp pain in the dan tien.

 

This wasn't powerful enough to be kundalini or something, but it was definitely... interesting. This mantra is starting to get serious. :D

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Apart from Qi/physichal effects, visions an metaphysical things... who can share some experiences of "life-change" trough this mantra?

I mean, something like suddenly change one's job, new wife, a monastic vocation, solving financial issues, etc...

 

Something that really impacts the course of own's life.

I've met harekrishna people who quit smoking with mantra-japa, for example. But I'm curious about the "changing fortune" aspects of this particular mantra.

 

Thank you :-)

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Apart from Qi/physichal effects, visions an metaphysical things... who can share some experiences of "life-change" trough this mantra?

I mean, something like suddenly change one's job, new wife, a monastic vocation, solving financial issues, etc...

 

Something that really impacts the course of own's life.

I've met harekrishna people who quit smoking with mantra-japa, for example. But I'm curious about the "changing fortune" aspects of this particular mantra.

 

Thank you :-)

 

Yes, all kinds of stuff: jobs, people etc.; personally, and some friends.

Sometime, "when nothing is said" is more explicative than an entire article ... :P

And this vibe is probably why people won't step up and answer.

 

 

Mandrake

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May I ask you how did you receive this mantra?

Maybe a visit to a temple, a spiritual gift from a master...

DrT:

 

Depends, why do you want to know / what is it that you really want to know?

 

 

;-)

Mandrake

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DrT:

 

Depends, why do you want to know / what is it that you really want to know?

 

 

;-)

Mandrake

 

I understand that you prefer to keep this private.

I just want to know if you learned the dharani on an webpage (as I did)... or you received it from a "tangible" source (practitioners, masters, etc...)

 

Thank you :)

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