Major component of evolution theory proven wrong

[Marblehead]

[Marblehead]

Part Two:

 

I mean we have Yin-Yang, Plus-Minus, Gods-Demons, Karma-Virtue. They always come in pairs and each human being must be put in his proper place, mostly depending on his inborn quality.

 

Dualities exist only in the mind of man. They are a figment of our imagination. What is, is. It (anything) cannot be compared to anything else. It can only be compared to itself and, if viewed without judgement, everything is exactly perfect and exactly the way it is supposed to be. It (anything) cannot be otherwise.

 

PS: The 700 scientists are the ones that actually musterred the energy and courage to publicly go against it. Do you know how bad it can be for a scientist in a politically controlled environment as a university to go against evolution?

 

Yes, if one runs around making unfounded statements one will eventually be challenged to support their statements and when they go vomiting a bunch of mythology that was written down two thousand years ago and pretending that it is the Absolute Truth they will be stepping into deep doo-doo.

 

He risks loosing his job and will get no promotions whatsoever.

 

And rightly so.

 

You need to multiply that number with thousands or more to get anywhere near the true number of scientists that mock the evolution theory behind closed doors... I never heard of any mathematician ever that actually even tried to do any calculus proof in favor of evolution.

 

No, you cannot do that. You have no evidence for doing so. All you can state is 700. Anything beyond that is unknown. Well, why did you mention it in the first place then? And beside, how many mathematicians have a thorough understanding of biology, DNA mutations and all that stuff?

 

As far as I remember we even had calculus examples at university mocking that theory by calculation of probabilities.

 

I will suggest that your memory is distorted by your desire to discredit evolution.

 

Darwin and the evolution theory is just a political invention to control people, making them more materialistic and less spiritually inclined so that people become worse and worse. That is partly how two world wars and lots of revolutions came about.

 

Wrong. Darwin even held back on the publication of his work because he did not want to offend the Church. He released it only after he was too old to give a shit anymore what the Church thought. It is the Church that has political asperations. And most governments try to envoke the fear of god onto its people to keep them in line. People who understnad the facts of evolution are free thinkers and governments and religions hate free thinkers.

 

Now part of what you said here has validity in it, that is, the second phrase and the second sentence. I am in basic agreement with you on this but this is not the fault of the understanding of the fact of evolution.

 

I must say that I believe a human body assembles information over the ages so it definitely is not the same as it was 10 000 years ago. But that is another question..

 

Yes, the human body has evolved just as the human brain has evolved.

 

Just my two cents, no truth offered whatsoever.

 

Well, you did pretty good but I am going to keep my two cents.

 

And just so you don't think that I am trying to state facts, unless I have referrenced someone, everything I say on this board is my current opinion and/or my understandings. All are subject to change but only as a result of sound reason and logic.

[Marblehead]

Yes, if we truly knew what was myth and what wasnt, everything would be so much easier. If we actually knew what the origination of myth was, if we understood the very root of those ancient paradigms, wouldnt it be terrific. If we had access to profound shamanic awareness which could access deepest awareness and lost memories. Then we would understand myth, with an understanding way beyond the parts of the brain we usually rely upon, we would understand it in our cellular being and our higher selves. And with such understanding perhaps we could achieve free thought.

 

Absolutely. Very well stated.

 

That is why it is sometimes best to just say, "I don't know."

 

Hehehe. I don't do that often enough but that's a different story.

[Marblehead]

True, BHs were but a spark in Einstein's eye. He was pretty entrenched in some of his beliefs though, his dismissal of QM was what made his late years so unproductive...the bane of overconfidence!

Karl Sschwarzchild made the first real modern prediction of one - I particularly liked kip thorne's re-telling in Black Holes & Time Warps

 

Yeah, there have been a few programs on TV recently concerning black holes and I really enjoy watching and listening to them.

 

I am still trying to understand the thought that the black holes emit gas. Hehehe. Maybe they are farting? If their gravity is strong enough to keep light from emitting how can gas escape? Maybe in one of those programs someone will explain how this is supposed to happen instead of just saying that it happens.

 

Yeah, we get lazy in our old age and kind of close our mind to new ideas. That is one reason I love this board so much. The folks here keep me thinking.

[Mandrake]

[Gauss]

[aridus]

I am still trying to understand the thought that the black holes emit gas. Hehehe. Maybe they are farting? If their gravity is strong enough to keep light from emitting how can gas escape? Maybe in one of those programs someone will explain how this is supposed to happen instead of just saying that it happens.

 

I haven't heard this before, but I suppose (I'm guessing!) that it would have to be outside the event horizon.

 

Black holes more than keep light from emitting, it loops into the black hole. This is why they are "black", not only can you not see it, you don't see anything behind it either. It looks like just a void. Light travels on geodesics, and from just my limited knowledge, basically the black hole bends these geodesics more and more the closer they are. Light traveling far to the side is not hardly effected, light that is a bit closer has the path bent slightly but it can still escape, and this increases the closer the lines get until the line just "falls in" the hole and can't come back out.

 

Basically.

[Gauss]

[Marblehead]

Hi Mandrake,

 

Thanks for joining in.

 

My memory of statistics is so rusty I even fear going in that direction.

 

Probabilities are neat though, as a play toy and a tool for business.

 

Cause and effect still rule. (All too often we don't understand all the factors involved in the cause so we end up making false assumptions.)

[Mandrake]

[Marblehead]

[Marblehead]

I haven't heard this before, but I suppose (I'm guessing!) that it would have to be outside the event horizon.

 

Black holes more than keep light from emitting, it loops into the black hole. This is why they are "black", not only can you not see it, you don't see anything behind it either. It looks like just a void. Light travels on geodesics, and from just my limited knowledge, basically the black hole bends these geodesics more and more the closer they are. Light traveling far to the side is not hardly effected, light that is a bit closer has the path bent slightly but it can still escape, and this increases the closer the lines get until the line just "falls in" the hole and can't come back out.

 

Basically.

 

Yes, that is my understanding. It was Hawking (I believe) who said that they emit gas.

 

I am, for the moment, stuck with the thought that what is being emitted is the aftermath of the collisions of objects just seconds before crossing the event horizon. (Some stuff from the collision is sucked in and some of the stuff is propelled away from the black hole.)

[Marblehead]

[aridus]

Yes, that is my understanding. It was Hawking (I believe) who said that they emit gas.

 

I am, for the moment, stuck with the thought that what is being emitted is the aftermath of the collisions of objects just seconds before crossing the event horizon. (Some stuff from the collision is sucked in and some of the stuff is propelled away from the black hole.)

Ah yeah. I have heard of this before, now that you put it that way.

 

It is a wonder, isn't it?

[Mandrake]

American Christianity tries to make this an issue for every christian, claiming that you can't believe in both Jesus/God and evolution. This is just dogma, and no christian has to play their game.

 

Perhaps, similarly, some other philosophies are too blockheaded to understand how their views can coalesce with evolution. You can absolutely base your worldview on both evolution and karma, reincarnation/transmigration, beings in other dimensions etc.

 

Mandrake

[aridus]

One who aspires to make others right may mislead himself and others.

 

One who aspires to make himself right may mislead others and himself.

 

one who aspires to let other people lead him may be misled by other selves and his own self and in turn mislead others.

 

One who aspires to remove himself from the equation may mislead himself and others into thinking he has removed himself and that others can remove themselves.

 

Maybe one should not be quick to distinguish self from others and self from self in the first place.

Edited March 30, 2011 by aridus

[joeblast]

Yes, that is my understanding. It was Hawking (I believe) who said that they emit gas.

 

I am, for the moment, stuck with the thought that what is being emitted is the aftermath of the collisions of objects just seconds before crossing the event horizon. (Some stuff from the collision is sucked in and some of the stuff is propelled away from the black hole.)

Minor clarification; radiation. Basically at the event horizon the gravity is strong enough to 'steal' half a spontaneous particle/antiparticle, leaving the other outside of the event horizon. QM basically states that amidst the 'froth' particles and antiparticles are constantly created and nullify each other, the result at the event horizon is Hawking Radiation.

[Encephalon]

American Christianity tries to make this an issue for every christian, claiming that you can't believe in both Jesus/God and evolution. This is just dogma, and no christian has to play their game.

 

Perhaps, similarly, some other philosophies are too blockheaded to understand how their views can coalesce with evolution. You can absolutely base your worldview on both evolution and karma, reincarnation/transmigration, beings in other dimensions etc.

 

Mandrake

 

We are at liberty to believe anything we want. Within a 5 mile radius of my home, there are multibillion dollar defense contractors, the world's biggest pornography industry, giant billboards attesting to the Rapture on May 21 (gettin' close!), and CSU Northridge, my alma mater. I live next door to the Assemblies of God and have a dozen medical marijuana dispensaries, with the best Cajun, Thai, Mexican, Indian, Greek, and gourmet vegetarian restaurants one could ask for stateside.

 

Ken Wilber's introductory sentence in "A Theory of Everything" goes like this -

 

"We live in an extraordinary time: all of the world's cultures, past and present, are to some degree available to us, either in historical records or as living entities. In the history of the planet Earth, this has never happened before."

 

This is one mind-blowing introduction, and the book has explanatory power to the nth degree, but lately I've been experiencing the "Dark Side" of this implication, especially when I come into this forum. I think it's pretty clear that just about anything goes at TheTaoBums, as long as the pablum comes wrapped in courtesy. If the theory of divine spirits creating the world is to be accorded the same intellectual weight as the theory of evolution, then personal responses seem clear enough; we can stay or leave, but if we choose to stay, it is incumbent upon us to remain civil, no matter how far beyond the pale these ideas come from.

 

Okay. I get it. A little slow to catch on, but I get it. Hit the reset button, the "No Asshole" light has come on.

 

I was asked to consider my emotionalism when confronting what I thought was a torrent of pseudoscience and misinformation flooding this board, and it wasn't immeditately obvious to me but it's clear that my years as a kid having to put up with a lot of aggressive ignorance and sadism has imbued within me a critical need to readily identify bullshit and keep it at bay. I see a planet soaking in gullibility and horrid patterns of social conditioning, so my tolerance for it is low and I clearly have allowed myself to get angry about it. It's possible that the vicodin is exacerbating it, but I'm sure I can find people who will insist that I was an asshole before I started taking pain-killers.

 

I care about this board and am actually indebted to it. It was only two years ago that I joined in, but it was a different place. I seemed to be part of a group who were experiencing incipient chi flow and with the help of YaMu, Trunk, Eternal Student, Stig, Mal, and Taomeow, we were the lucky recipients of quality guidance on our chi flow path. I can't trust my memory completely but that seemed to be the predominant subject matter, with a bit of exercise (Pavel!) and marijuana thrown in.

 

I remember early on getting reamed by others over the content of my posts, but it wasn't a problem. I didn't feel victimized. I was still working on my thesis and just assumed that supportable arguments could be fashioned and accepted on their own terms. And I think they were for the most part. I acquired friends and detractors, but implicit in the whole TTB experience was the idea that Taoism was a path for people who seek the truth and that "Scholar/Warrior" was not just the title of a book on Taoism but a noble goal.

 

It is very clear to me that this is still the case, but for the very few. Gracious acceptance of all points of view seems to be the most important rule in force at this time. I think the world is full of lonely people who need to feel safe and secure in the knowledge that they can say whatever they want without being confronted.. I guess I just have to accept that, although it seems to betray the value of online discussion. But I will try to abide the advice to cool my jets.

 

Hugs and kisses,

[Marblehead]

Ah yeah. I have heard of this before, now that you put it that way.

 

It is a wonder, isn't it?

 

Yeah, I really enjoy thinking about stuff like this and trying to find the reason and logic in what I am seeing and hearing.

[Marblehead]

American Christianity tries to make this an issue for every christian, claiming that you can't believe in both Jesus/God and evolution. This is just dogma, and no christian has to play their game.

 

Perhaps, similarly, some other philosophies are too blockheaded to understand how their views can coalesce with evolution. You can absolutely base your worldview on both evolution and karma, reincarnation/transmigration, beings in other dimensions etc.

 

Mandrake

 

Exactly. Once we get away from dogma we can see where many of these concepts are very compatible.

[Marblehead]

Minor clarification; radiation. Basically at the event horizon the gravity is strong enough to 'steal' half a spontaneous particle/antiparticle, leaving the other outside of the event horizon. QM basically states that amidst the 'froth' particles and antiparticles are constantly created and nullify each other, the result at the event horizon is Hawking Radiation.

 

Good. I had a little recall. Can't recall mention of the particle/antiparticle aspect though. Maybe that is the part I have been missing. Perhaps it is also the root of my understanding of objects colliding.

 

I'll try to be more attentive the next time a black hole program runs on TV. Hehehe.

[Marblehead]

Nice post, that last one, Blasto!

 

PS I will never ignore you.

[Encephalon]

Nice post, that last one, Blasto!

 

PS I will never ignore you.

 

Promise? Cross your heart and hope to die?

 

Thanks for being old, like me!

[Marblehead]

Promise? Cross your heart and hope to die?

 

Thanks for being old, like me!

 

I will try to stay old. I think it is a better option than dying.

[steve]

All animals and plants etc exist for human beings.

 

 

 

Extremely few people analyze why they hold certain beliefs as a human being.

 

 

Yes, indeedy!