Gulf Oil Spill & Continuous Outpour

[ralis]

The thing is, is that supposedly there are other holes that are not being talked about on the news. Supposedly, there are huge fissures releasing Methane that are miles away from the main sight that you see on TV??

 

Apparently the Russian deep water submarine crew found 1 leak at least a mile away. Not a good situation.

[Vajrahridaya]

Apparently the Russian deep water submarine crew found 1 leak at least a mile away. Not a good situation.

 

No, not good at all.

[Stigweard]

BP finally stops oil spewing from Gulf gusher - Yahoo! News

[Vajrahridaya]

BP finally stops oil spewing from Gulf gusher - Yahoo! News

 

This is still corporate controlled information, though I hope all the non-corporate controlled information is wrong. I do have my speculations. There seem to be other cracks in the Gulf area spewing toxins, and this one is merely just one that happened to be where the drilled well was. There is supposedly more to be aware of in the Gulf than what is revealed on popular, corporate controlled news broadcasts.

Edited July 16, 2010 by Vajrahridaya

[Taomeow]

Yes, the Russians have already done it a few times and they are the big pro's on the information.

Americans did something about BP in the Gulf in 1814...

 

[ralis]

After watching this, I do wonder what BP is really up to.

 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x485678

Edited July 17, 2010 by ralis

[de_paradise]

Hi all!

 

I live in Florida on the East Coast and I'm trying to figure out a way to get out of here. I have a wife that can't get a job because I can't afford the fees for her to get her working permit. I barely make enough on the Beach to survive. What do we do?

 

I do have a car with a good engine and it's a station wagon. It would make it to Canada. My wife is Canadian.

 

Sincerely,

J.M.

 

That decision would be a no-brainer for me, let wife work and you could set up some kind of home business. Going to Canada would create options.

 

I dont think Ralis' Russian sub article is true though, its fabrication. But the environmental toll will continue, and grind away at the morale for years at the beach places.

[Encephalon]

That decision would be a no-brainer for me, let wife work and you could set up some kind of home business. Going to Canada would create options.

 

According to www.ic.org, there are currently 138 intentional communities in Canada, many of whom are actively seeking new members. These are only the ICs that are self-identified. If you have any skills at all that could be useful in a rural, off-the-grid setting - horticulture, permaculture, medical, hunting, construction, what have you - then you could do yourself and your family an extraordinary favor in checking out this option.

[TheSongsofDistantEarth]

[Encephalon]

I don't see this happening. The greed and political/ corporate structure is too solid to allow us to shift the archetypal pattern before it plays out completely. It is already shifting in the minds of many of the people who are without power, but those with power will never get it.

 

I would have to concur. The Spiral Dynamics model developed by Graves -

 

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3637777359401476371# and

http://www.spiraldynamics.net/

 

and incorporated by Ken Wilber suggests that no more than ten percent of the human population has ever been awake enough at any given time to effect paradigmatic shifts. I do agree that this post-industrial paradigm will arrive, but only after the herd is culled due to ecological collapse and depletion of resources. The good news is that the human populations that do get through the next bottleneck and see the 22nd century will not be shackled by some authoritarian state apparatus. Small-scale, stable-state communities will be the norm.

[gendao]

That decision would be a no-brainer for me, let wife work and you could set up some kind of home business. Going to Canada would create options.

Unfortunately for Vaj, due to Canada's colleftivist lean...they must strictly control whom they allow in in order not to quickly bankrupt their Socialistish system.

 

And poor, unemployed people with no ready job prospects are PRECISELY the type of people they refuse granting citizenship to... So, good luck with that, Vaj!

 

 

Funny how US liberals here kept screaming to have us model Canada's collectivist healthcare system...yet NOT their super-strict immigration policy! Although the former canNOT work without the latter!

Edited July 17, 2010 by vortex

[Encephalon]

Unfortunately for Vaj, due to Canada's colleftivist lean...they must strictly control whom they allow in in order not to quickly bankrupt their Socialistish system.

 

And poor, unemployed people with no ready job prospects are PRECISELY the type of people they refuse granting citizenship to... So, good luck with that, Vaj!

 

 

Funny how US liberals here kept screaming to have us model Canada's collectivist healthcare system...yet NOT their super-strict immigration policy! Although the former canNOT work without the latter!

 

Vaj should have no difficulty getting into Canada if his wife has Canadian citizenship. Funny how some folks tend to interpret the political spectrum through the lens of American partisan politics. The practice all but eliminates the possibility of nuance in meaningful dialogue.

 

Orwell was right. Like the dictionary in "1984" that got smaller every year, we will eventually lose the ability to even conceive alternatives, much less discuss and implement them.

Edited July 18, 2010 by Blasto

[Vajrahridaya]

Thanks for the information guys! We're concerned over many variables. But hopefully we can come up with enough money to leave.

 

[Encephalon]

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Edited July 18, 2010 by Blasto

[gendao]

Vaj should have no difficulty getting into Canada if his wife has Canadian citizenship. Funny how some folks tend to interpret the political spectrum through the lens of American partisan politics. The practice all but eliminates the possibility of nuance in meaningful dialogue.

But that's his girlfriend, not his wife... So, now what?

 

And I don't think immigration officials will be interested in discussing "nuances" when it comes to clearly-written laws. But good luck, Vaj!

 

 

 

One day, it will be much easier to get into this country...than OUT.

[Vajrahridaya]

But that's his girlfriend, not his wife... So, now what?

 

And I don't think immigration officials will be interested in discussing "nuances" when it comes to clearly-written laws. But good luck, Vaj!

 

 

 

One day, it will be much easier to get into this country...than OUT.

 

We're married.

[gendao]

We're married.

Oh, my bad..

 

So, isn't that enough for citizenship then? Or no?

[de_paradise]

Oh, my bad..

 

So, isn't that enough for citizenship then? Or no?

 

 

This is neither here nor there. Any American could go to Canada now (or Europe for that matter) and live as a perpetual tourist, set up a business, rent or buy property, or get lost in the mountains. No one cares as long as you dont shoot off your guns.

 

 

Here's a nice song for the drive. Shove your stuff in the trunk and hit the road. Canada or bust, eh!

Edited July 19, 2010 by de_paradise

[Vajrahridaya]

This is neither here nor there. Any American could go to Canada now (or Europe for that matter) and live as a perpetual tourist, set up a business, rent or buy property, or get lost in the mountains. No one cares as long as you dont shoot off your guns.

 

 

Here's a nice song for the drive. Shove your stuff in the trunk and hit the road. Canada or bust, eh!

 

Yes, I do want to get a passport first, because they make problems if you don't have one even though they say you don't need one, only need your picture ID and a birth certificate. But, I want a smooth experience and no hold ups at the boarder.

[Vajrahridaya]

Oh, my bad..

 

So, isn't that enough for citizenship then? Or no?

 

Well Vortex, it's a whole process... supposedly a 3 year sponsorship program at that. But, I hope to get a work permit before that! I'm looking into it as we speak in fact.

 

Thanks for your interest! I'm looking forward to being a regular attendant at the Toronto Dzogchen center.

[Encephalon]

[DarthBane]

Recent Development

 

Some areas in this United states are reporting red atmosphere at intervals due to the evaporation of the hydrocarbons from the Gulf of Mexico. I will try to get pictures.

[DarthBane]

Heres a link to an article on it:

 

Oil rain

[de_paradise]

" Simmons's current warning about the situation focuses on the gigantic "lake" of crude oil that is pooling under great pressure 4000 to 5000 feet down in the "basement" of the Gulf's waters."

 

How exactly would oil pool underneath water? Dont it float?

[Encephalon]

" Simmons's current warning about the situation focuses on the gigantic "lake" of crude oil that is pooling under great pressure 4000 to 5000 feet down in the "basement" of the Gulf's waters."

 

How exactly would oil pool underneath water? Dont it float?

 

I imagine it's the pressure at the depth of one mile that keeps it submerged.